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[Bobbyhall]

HI, and a question.

Well ... this thread has certainly taken many interesting twists and turns since I first posted in early Nov. I have not had time to read the threads as often as I would like, and as much as I would enjoy saying: too many men, too little time (as someone used in a previous post), I must attribute it to a the dreadful and tiresome thing called WORK ... heh heh heh. Also, for me, the aforementioned phrase would be: too many interests, too little time.

I am looking for a GE filter flow, 1957 (Unimatic1140 has the dryer to the set in the cyber-museum). My question is this: Where do you find your vintage washing machines? I have bought a few appliances on eBay, at junque shops, and flea markets. Those cutezy-too, too adorable-type antique shops wound never consider having an ugly thing like a 50s automatic washing machine in their ever-too precious display. Actually, the best place to find vacuums is at flea markets. I've bought quite a few Electrolux XXX vacuums and the accompanying accessories.

Happy holidays to all.

Ciao.

Bobbyhall.

 

[jasonl]

Designgeek

Yup, Burt wrote the song and for one Jackie DeShannon made it into a hit. You're right, that song is all about love and enjoying the simple things in life.

Radio, TV and movies are all gone in the toilet. They show the most horrible anti-moral stuff ever and I have a feeling it can only get worse. I'm a rocker, I love rock'n'roll but the extremely angry garbage you hear today isn't my kind of music. So I'm sticking with classic rock, oldies, and country.

I'm also an old school conservative but I don't hate and I agree that publicly humiliating gays in the workplace isn't the way to get a point across.

 

[agiflow]

choice vs.nature

This thread will not let up LOL.I believe that orientation is just something people acquire at some point in life.I can remeber being very attracted to people of the opposite sex growing up.

Somehow i also had an attraction for the same sex too....which seemed to overshadow my heterosexuality later in life.This is why i posted about believing i was not born gay.

Maybe many of us just see things in the same sex that we feel we may lack in ourselves.I know for one i felt that way,whether real or imagined i do not know,but now i feel that i am a man just as any other man.I don't feel nearly as attracted to the same sex as i did when i was younger.

Maybe self worth figures in all of this confusion with sexuality.I'm not saying i am a doctor,but these questions need to be addressed seriously.It is probably a number of factors.Whether mental,spiritual or a combo of the two,who knows if we will find out this side of eternity.

I guess my whole point is,is that it is much more complicated than what appears on the surface,of course we know this,but how many people will take the time to try and see the person for who they are and not their sexuality.

It also helps not to shove it down other peoples throats too.

Merry Christmas with love

Pat

 

[rickr]

Lets meet for a drink, Bethann!

Hi Bethann,
I will take you up on your offer. My friend from Austin TX,and her husband who is from the United Kingdom would like to go also,if that is ok with you. I think it would be fun! Please email me at: [email protected] I have met some really cool people via this web site!
By the way,if you have the time and desire,we can cruise over to my home to see my collection of vintage "stuff"
Thank's
Rick

 

[sudsmaster]

The sales manager is not only a bigot, but he's got his facts wrong.

It's my understanding that California, a blue state, has sent more soldiers to Iraq than any other state.

And in California no business would allow such a bigoted message to be displayed - even for an hour.

Bush has always claimed to be a "uniter, not a divider". Apparently some who voted for him didn't get that message.

 

[fixerman]

It would make sense that California sent more troops to Iraq than any other state since it has the largest population.

How did you determine no other California business would allow such a message. What's your cite.

The "uniter, not a divider" was related to working with the Democratic party.

You sir should not talk about hate since from your post it is obvious you are a Bush hater.

I guess it's ok to hate as long as you can pick and choose who you hate.

 

[Designgeek]

I don't have any data about which states have the highest percentages of their populations in the military -including the Guard and Reserves, which should now be seen as fulltime jobs with combat duty.

Re. California and bigoted signs on the job, I do get the sense that it wouldn't be permitted; if nothing else we have such a diverse population that companies know they'll lose good employees and customers if that kind of thing goes on. And also the local standards of civility and good manners don't tolerate bigotry of any kind.

Re. Bush & "uniter," I was actually pretty impressed with the way he tends to reach across the aisle and put coalitions together. Like most presidents, there are areas where he has had to find ways to moderate the more radical propopsals of some of his supporters.

And I don't believe he truly supports the Jim Crow amendment: when first asked about gay marriage at a news conference, he said (and I remember this vividly) that "we're *all* sinners," (meaning, it's not appropriate for some people to claim to be morally superior on this issue) and "before looking for the mote in your brother's eye, look at the board in your own" (meaning, in effect, don't be a hypocrite, we should be more concerned with why heterosexual marriages are breaking down at such an alarming rate).

I think it was Karl Rove who put him up to this amendment stuff, and Rove's history shows he is a nasty and mean-spirited person. Every president has at least one of those around, it's almost an inevitability considering that there are plenty of people who are attracted to raw power and have the "charm" to get themselves into the inner circle. Carter had Brezenski (sp?), Reagan had Meese, and so on.

Rove is power-hungry but we can't make the mistake of confusing that with an ideology. Then you have the neo-cons, e.g. the ones who pushed the Iraq policy, who are ideologically motivated to the point where it impairs their ability to see empirical realities on the ground. I don't think Bush is a neo-con strictly speaking; he sounds more like an oldschool conservative who is surrounded by neo-cons. In much the same way there are liberals who got themselves surrounded by people who were basically Marxists, even though they were not Marxists themselves. The results in each case make it appear that the more extreme ideology is in charge, when in fact the extremes may only be more vocal, and not play such a significant role in actual policy.

 

[Unimatic1140]

"And I don't believe he truly supports the Jim Crow amendment" ... "I think it was Karl Rove who put him up to this amendment stuff "

That's completely irrelevant. Just because he might not "really" support a constitutional amendment somewhere deep in his little brain, if he goes around saying it, or anyone in his administration (they are one in the same) goes around suggesting that they support such an act of discrimination, it causes much harm to an entire community of people.

There is absolutely no acceptable excuse for W or the behavior of "his" administration, it is exactly what it is. Their actions can and do lead to incidents that hurt people directly or indirectly, such as what happened to Rick.

Us blue staters have to remember while we would like to think "it couldn't happen to us", if the current trend continues for many years, it most certainly could.

That's my rant for the day, now back to making pies, YAY. I think I'll use some blue food coloring in my White Christmas Pie, just for the fun of it, hmmmmph.

 

[Designgeek]

On reflection, you're right. People who go around spouting hatefulness, even if they don't "really believe it," encourage more of the same. In that regard it's like using racist language. And a President of all people has the obligation to refrain from that kind of crap. If we had a President who used the "N-word", it would be an absolute scandal and rightfully so. But somehow it's "OK" to treat *us* like something less than equal.

As I said to my mom this year, "We're not even allowed *on* the darn bus in the first place!" But she's of the "equal rights but just don't call it Marriage" school of thought, to which I reply, with as humorous a tone as I can manage (to make the message easier to take) "Just don't call it a Bus! As long as everyone gets to sit where they choose, call it a Public Service Vehicle, or call it Civil Transport, or whatever, but don't use the B-word!"

In such instances I've also taken to singing the old "marriage" songs with "substitute lyrics", for example, "Oh yes we're / goin' to the laywer's and we're / gonna write a contract!" and "Civil unions, civil unions / go together like the Teamster's Union..." the point being to demonstrate that the substitute language takes all the warm & fuzzy out, like a hyperactive lint-extractor that shreds the garment it's supposed to be cleaning.

BTW, what's this about "what happened to Rick"...?

As far as Blue states are concerned, don't forget that Republican Gerald Ford supports us, and Democrat Kerry avoided dealing with us like the proverbial plague.