POD 1/12: Dash Is A Fraud! Yeah, I Said It!!

[frigilux]

Only joking, kids; Glad that inflammatory statement got you here.

Here's my question: Why do they claim the suds is gone after the "second rinse"? Do they really mean after two deep rinses? Cuz most detergents are gone by then*.

The headline implies the suds are gone "before the second rinse"; However, the first captioned photo directs us to "test the water from the second rinse". What thinkest thou, AW'ers?

*Unless you have mechanically-softened water, in which case you can rinse a load of bath towels FIVE TIMES, each of which had exactly the same amount of lingering suds (detergent: powdered Tide With Bleach).

 

[frigilux]

Oh, and can you imagine the shower some innocent housewife would get when if she pulled the hose out of the drain pipe, held it up to a drinking glass and waited for the pump to kick in? Yikes!

 

[jmirawm]

two cents.....

The caption reads dirt not suds. I think they direct you to test the water from the second rinse - because the water in the first rinse would have the dirt suspended in it before it gets spun away ?

 

[oxydolfan1]

Frig, when I saw your title, I said, "Uh-oh, he tried the new Liquid Dash!"

When the first versions of Liquid Tide and Liquid Cheer were introduced in the early 80s, they were REALLY low-sudsing, without a lot of hype about it, and they excelled at not redepositing the washload's dirt back on to the laundry.

 

[toggleswitch]

Innocent?

~Oh, and can you imagine the shower some innocent housewife would get when if she pulled the hose out of the drain pipe, held it up to a drinking glass and waited for the pump to kick in? Yikes!

If she's sticking a big long thick black drain-hose in her mouth to drink, she aint's so innocent!

 

[Unimatic1140]

The "second rinse" they were referring to was the deep rinse, because many washers of the time referred to the spin-spray rinse as the "first rinse". Also in Bendix and Westinghouse FL, there were two deep rinses.

 

[frigilux]

I kinda thought that might be the case; Thanks for the clarification, Robert.

Toggles, you are a naughty, naughty boy. Thank god.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Oh, and can you imagine the shower some innocent housewife w

Shower?!?

She'd be flooded!

 

[laundromat]

Dash was made for front loaders.Most of them had three rinses hense the "after the second rinse"verbage.

 

[laundromat]

Sorry,I ment "before the second rinse"I nedd some more 8'O Clock coffee.not awake yet.

 

[mickeyd]

Hi Eug

I was just looking for Rich (Sudsy's) Ratatouille Thread to tell him something funny and it's gone, and this one was just about to take off for thread heaven. Before it does I have been wanting got tell you that "this text is problematical on several levels,"'as the lit-crtis like to sniff. And you have to say this made up word "problematical" very fast and nasally. OH Well, enuffa that.

That P.O.D. has pi$$ed me off very time it shows up. They got everything wrong, an advertisers heaven of lies. The hose. Who would ever take even a word of a an ad seriously whose makers were either too lazy or too arrogant or too omnipotent to get the friggin hose right. All they need was the famous rinse hose on any KM or WP suds-return model, and it would have been perfect, a slow trickle after the last spray to fill the glass, the perfect shape, a lateral L , or L on its side an upside-down:::::::: Wish i could draw it. Have you ever
.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... (nice try, silly Mike)
seen one. Actually in my 2 years here, have never seen the unique WP/KM rinse hose posted and i do not have one to show.

How are you doing in the tundra conditions?

 

[frigilux]

The Dash ad always had me a bit confused, too, Mickeyd.

On KM-WP: We had the classic double laundry tub with our suds-saving 1960 Kenmore. The 'rinse' drain hose went across the first (suds saving) tub, to the left one. You're right, it was fun to see the rinse water drain, and the slow flow after the final spray-spin would have been ideal for catching a glass of water to test for any remaining suds after the rinse cycle.

As for the tundra, it was horribly cold all last week, but it's a balmy 29 degrees today. For us, that's a heatwave, LOL!

 

[pturo]

My Mom used Dash in her 1957 Whirlpool Imperial with suds return which lasted until 1970. I remember her thinking the ad was true, but looked in the tub with the suds on the second rinse and never used Dash again. She never used the "suds return" either, she did not want recycled dirty water on her next load. She usually did whites with bleach first, that disenfected the machine, and could not use the bleached water for colors next anyways. That stupid long neck hose sat in the other laundry tub for years, unused. Modern housewives did not re-use water in the late 50's early 60's. This sudsaver was a leftover custom to convert women from the 40's and 50's where women would use the wringer washer tub for consecutive washes.

 

[tomturbomatic]

pturo, there are people in the United States who use suds savers to this day and would not have any other kind of washer. Millions of loads of very clean laundry were done in suds saver washers. Unless it was a load of diapers washed where the water was not going to be saved or if there were two loads of whites to be bleached or if bleach in the water did not matter like a load of cleaning cloths or overalls washed after the first load with bleach in the water, bleach was put into the (warm) rinse water. If a person cannot get his or her mind around the fact that adding more detergent kept the soil in suspension, that is not a sudsaver person. Actually, washing two loads in the same water will achieve an economy close to using a front load washer. What's with disinfecting the machine? Water at 140F along with detergent is usually enough to keep a machine clean especially if it is allowed to dry out thoroughly between uses. Yes, it was an economy measure as people transitioned from wringer washers, but it also enabled people to have automatic washers who had limited water supplies, like from a well, or people who had limited hot water whether because of the cost of heating it or because of an undersized water heater. It certainly was more labor intensive than using a non-suds return washer. The saved wash water could not sit long without losing its heat and cleaning ability, so the person doing the laundry was right there at the end of the spin to start another load. For a time, WP washers had a buzzer to alert the user that the cycle was complete. Some users set minute timers if they had to be away from the washer. Usually, by the time the previous load was on the line, the washer was getting close to the rinse so there was time to run to the bathroom or get something to drink or do some pretreating of the next load. It's nice that your mom did not have to use the suds saver. We are going to be forced to make better use of water. Sometimes I save wash water to soak something before washing or to wash plastic pots. I always use rinse water for plants. In very cold weather, I save the hot wash water to let the heat disipate into the house.

 

[frigilux]

I grew up with a 1960 Kenmore suds-saver that was always used---sometimes for up to three loads if the clothes were very lightly soiled, or if the third load was rugs/rags---and if my current top-loader had a suds-saver, I'd use it. My mom was a very fussy Italian and our clothes never had a dingy look to them.

And Tom, you're right; using a suds-saver for a second load makes a water-hog top-loader nearly as efficient as a front-loader. Frankly, I wish they'd bring back suds-savers. I'd certainly take that as a solution to water usage, rather than just lowering the maximum water level, as is the case with my 2006 Frigidaire.

 

[brettsomers]

if one can have a laundry tub, a suds saver makes perfect sense, IMO. most everyday loads done by most of us are very lightly soiled, dont you think? of course you wont use the toilet rug water on the cloth napkins, but imagine the water savings when doing several darks/jeans loads?

 

[pturo]

My mom was a working mom in the early 60's and resources were cheap and water plentiful then in a two income family. She had no time for fussy gadgets to reclaim wash water in a city suburb with sewers and public water. The concept seemed absurd to her then, in 1957-1970 when she had that TOL Whirlpool.

When she retired, and my Dad did, with all of us gone from the home, she turned into eco freek cheep skate screw the utility company Mom and Grandma, at a time when she had more money to spend than she ever had in her life. She would have loved to have that washer back. She used dish water in the pan after dinner to water the roses. The dishwasher was only used when she had "company". Clothes were dried on racks in the south facing back porch instead of the dryer.

When she had time and money, she became frugal. We had a summer home eventually on septic and boy, if you ever flushed just for pee, G-d Help you.

I know this thread isn't about my Mom, but depression era children who grew up to be late 50's and 60's wives/mothers in the burbs were not concerened about the conservation of resources then.

I did not mean previously to say disparaging things about suds return washers, they should return, and the analogy for being as water saving as a front loader is a GREAT comparison.

We live in different times, and I'd be willing to use a suds return.

 

[washerboy]

I remember

I remember watching the TV commercial for Dash back in the day..my mother used dash in her Westy FL..and actualy did for years after she got a TL. anyway I always wondered if the lady in the commercial drank the water?...it looked so clean and fresh in the glass....it's sorta like the Florenace Hendersom commercial for Criso...according to the commercial after one fried a batch of potates all the oil came back except for a teaspoon full..hence one would only indest one teaspoon of oil...any way while I'm sharing my commercial expereince...does anyone remember the commercial about Viva paper towels?...you know the one where the lady held a paper towel overa broken egg; the egg was sucked up by just holding the paper towel over it?...my mother actually had to buy a roll of Viva..break and egg on the kitchen counter and prove to me the paper towel really did'nt suck the egg up...she called it trick photography.

 

[lavamat78800]

mhhh...

I could feel a difference between domestic and professional detergent.
The professional detergent is better to rinse out and the water is almost clear after 2 (of 3) rinses!
Also, the washing was more dry after spinning and more fluffy.