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Statistics are in from a year of detergent pod sales, and they are scary: over 17,000 American kids under the age of six suffered some sort of problem from ingesting pods or part of one. That's pretty much one child every hour between March 2012 and April 2013. The medical journal Pediatrics reports that 4.4% of these children were hospitalized, and 7.5% experienced a "moderate or major medical outcome."

When we were discussing this issue last August, I said this:

"....I also think that P & G has released a product into a marketplace that common sense should have told them not to put there.

Everyone and his brother and his little spotted dog knows that people are rushed, multitasking, self-centered, gabbling into cell phones and in general not paying nearly the attention to kids people used to give their offspring.

In such a social climate, the release of a product that damn near jumps up and down in front of kids singing, "Eat Me! Eat Me!" seems to have been a most unwise decision.

In a perfect world, detergent pods might have worked out just fine. The world we live in is not that world.

I have a good, hot hunch that liability concerns are going to bring the "pod revolution" to a screeching halt in the not-too-distant future."


Some efforts have been made to stem the tide of incidents. P & G has put a new lock on the containers, and the Consumer Product Safety Commission has asked - not mandated - that manufacturers create more childproof packaging.

But a kid an hour eating or getting eye damage from these things? That tells me that human nature is not up to the task of supervising children around pods, which says only one thing to me - the pods gotta go. A few incidents - or even a few hundred - you can put down to inept or inadequate parenting. A child every hour says to me: This. Ain't. Working.

I have a feeling that discussion on this issue is going to be lively.

Here's a link to a CNN report:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/health/laundry-pod-poisonings/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
Sandy, you made a good point then and it's still a good point: the pod looks like something yummy to a child.  Do the modern laundry products even have a 'keep out of reach of children' like the older products did?  I was amazed when I just checked my latest box of Sunlight powder and it didn't have this warning. 
 
Dangerous Detergent Pods

I also saw this news and I totally agree these need to either be banded or drastically redesigned.

Although when we were having this discussion a year ago and NYC Writer said these were just part of the natural selection process and I suggested he put out a bowl of them to see how many of his friends will try eating them, I wonder if he did, LOL.
 
Paul:

Pods have a warning. Tide Pods have a safety lock on the container. But that child-an-hour statistic suggests to me that those measures are inadequate. People are lazy, distracted and often don't read instructions. It's very easy for a harried mom to leave a pods container unlocked because it's easier for her to reach for pods. Or to put a pod into the laundry basket she's about to take to the laundromat - and then Mom gets a distracting phone call while her baby is near the basket.

I just think pods are more than many people can handle, from a safety standpoint.
 
It doesn't help when said product smells like candy... I've never smelled Tide pods before but remember someone saying they smelled like candy. I did buy a pale of Tide Oxi recently and it smelled like Smarties, it made me want to eat it! Now imagine a little kid with the stuff...
 
There have been quite a few reports in the medical media here in Ireland about pods over the last decade or so.

The biggest issue seems not to be ingestion, it's actually eye and respiratory injuries.

Kids see them as being toy like. If you squeeze them, bite them or otherwise burst them they can spray super concentrated chemicals into your face, eyes, mouth and nose.

I'm not sure that the costs/risks are outweighed by the very slight convenience benefits.

I wouldn't have them in the house if there are kids around.

The new Persil pods actually look.like a teething ring! You know those chewy devices that babies chew on while teething.
 
On NBC news last night, they interviewed a woman who said that grandma gave one to the baby, thinking that it was a teething toy. Way to go, grandma!

Perhaps they can reformulate these so they only contain white detergent powder, sort of like how some dishwasher pacs are being sold. Those don't look nearly so entertaining, and they're hard, not squishy.

But they are still as convenient.
 
Just for comparison sake, are there any statistics anywhere that quantifies the numbers of poisonings from liquid or powdered detergents?? Surely that is in the thousands a year too.

There is NO doubt that people are generally careless and complacent about the dangers of many household products. Other then providing proper warnings this isn't the manufacturers problem.

On the other hand making the pods colorful and dare I say "bite size" is. I have some Gain Flings that smell delicious too, I was tempted to taste them!!! They do need to address this and make them all grey and unappealing visually. Perhaps a durable outer bag on each pod that has to be cut off. The Mr. Yuk campaign could be resurrected for this too.

The convenience of the pods is here to stay, but they best do something!
 
Well....

I have always had sympathy for Frigilux's idea that parents should take proper precautions and supervise their kids.

Unfortunately, that one-child-an-hour statistic more than suggests that our society does not give proper attention to those things. In light of that information, it's my belief that the continued manufacture and sale of pods in their present form is foolhardy.
 
To think, I handled this stuff & was into reading Warning Labels ("If Swallowed: _____") and proved trustworthy going into kitchen cabinets and under sinks to be potentially qualified to educate my peers...  Of which there were little, if no calls, in my time, that I ever knew of having to be made to Poison Control and/or to the E.R.

 

 

-- Dave
 
I've only ever seen one case of "injury by pod" come through my ER but then again I don't work there very often if I can help it. It was a babysitter, maybe 16-18 and she was telling me that she thought it was just soap and wasn't big deal until it burst and baby swallowed some which was quickly followed by vomiting and breathing issues. She hoesntly had no idea that laundry detergent is more than just soap and water, that there are chemicals within that are caustic when concentrated and encountered in their concentrated form. I never did get to finish explaining things to her as the mother showed up and that was a whole other scene.
I do think that companies need to work on their packaging but even so, these things will continue to happen unfortunately.
 
Modified packaging

Here in Australia, Unilever which produces Omo caps have modified the packaging which is now opaque so you can't see the caps in the box. Also the lid is more difficult to open.

Like all chemicals, they should be kept out of reach of children. It's just common sense, but unfortunately that now seems to be lacking more and more in society.

OTOH some people shouldn't breed. Maybe that would eradicate stupidity.
 
Storage

It does make me think, where are these pods being stored for kids to reach them?

The kids are not allowed in the Laundry room at all, on the odd occasion they have been in, we have been with them constantly.

There is a lock on the laundry room door that could be used if need be.

Also if stored in the kitchen, they should be in a cupoard with a lock, fitting a lock if needed.

As above there is always going to be an exception (such as putting a pod in the basket to take to laundromat etc) but 17000 separate parents not locking chemicals out of reach?

Oh.dear
 
1. Households with small children should opt for an alternative form of detergent.

2. Manufacturers should make pods less candy-like in appearance; containers should be childproof.

3. 43,000 children are injured or killed each year in bathtub/shower accidents (just for some perspective).

4. New Fad On Campus: College students are squeezing pods 'til they burst, then posting photos of the mess (usually on their hands, face, legs) on Twitter, Snapchat, and Facebook.

5. I'm off to play the trumpet and trombone for 3 hours.

[this post was last edited: 11/11/2014-19:17]
 
Sandy  I thought of you when I saw this article during my lunch hour reading.  Children going into comas was even mentioned.  Since parents can't be responsible enough, the product must be discontinued.  How many will end up with death before that happens?
 
I think a simple solution would be for the manufactures to change the packaging and make it non transparent.
I have not heard anything about dishwasher detergent tablets and laundry products of the past that did not have a clear packaging with pretty colors exposed that would attract kids.
I do think of all the hype tooth paste manufactures have come up with to attract kids to brush their teeth....and it does not work.
 
I think that about 85% of the population really does think that laundry detergent is just soap. People don't educate themselves unless they are forced to, usually. They only read the box products come in 1 time, and that's only about 40% of the people. The other 60% never read the labeling at all.

My sister's MIL lived in upper Minnesota. When my sister and her husband would visit she would warn my sister about the "black mosquitoes" that bite. She would warn that before the kids go outside they need to be sprayed down with some mosquito repellent.
So granny would spray the kids down from head to toe before putting them outside.

Finally a few days later my sister watched granny spraying the kids down. What was she using? Off? Cutters? Avon? No, she was spraying them down with Raid Ant & Roach killer. My sister almost fainted before going ballistic. Granny's response "Oh, don't worry it's all the same stuff they put in different cans! It won't hurt them!" It seems that her in laws don't fall far from her own tree!
 
Redesign

They should redesign the packets into a not so splashy, colorful design. Maybe make them a nice shade of broccoli green. I don't recall kids eating Salvo and Vim tablets years ago.
 
Frigilux:

"43,000 children are injured or killed each year in bathtub/shower accidents (just for some perspective)."

Well, I'm afraid I have a somewhat different perspective on that perspective.

The 43,000 injuries and deaths from bathtub/shower accidents make for a highly regrettable statistic. Damn regrettable, in fact.

But the 17,000 pod incidents are in addition to those other incidents - and they're from a source that did not exist until quite recently. This is not something I can interpret than fewer incidents than those from other sources, it's more incidents added to those already existing.

I'm glad to see we're in agreement that something needs to be done. The skills of today's parents are obviously not up to the task of policing the issue.
 
One possible reason now...

Detergents in the past had phosphates, as salvo and vim did, and to make the detergents effective without them, the manufacturers had to use more caustic (higher pH)ingredients. I know this was a problem when the first nonphosphate detergents came out, that something that would not harm you before would now chemically burn you. The pods probably have a very high pH, maybe not much lower than lye. As I can remember, a phosphate detergent (for example, "New! 1965 TIDE!") would Feel warm, but not harm you. Traditional Tide today would probably burn you. Pods may end up being banned but its mostly because many parents today don't watch their kids at all.
 
They certainly look like candies and even their packages look like some candy packages.

 

A lot of people don't have locked or separate laundry rooms (most people I know have their laundry machines/products either in their kitchen or in their bathroom...).

And because kids might see their parents using these attractive pods, manipulate their package, notice where they store them or even when they buy them with other food at the grocery store. I think it's normal for some of them to assume these nice-looking candy-like pods probably bought at the supermarket could be eaten!

I also guess that some of the poisoned kids were able to reach the packages in supposed inaccessible locations just because they were so attracted by the package!

Of course, we can blame parents for a lot of things, including buying detergent pods that are packaged and even looking as attractive candy without thinking their children might get fooled... But making these candy-like pods without thinking about the potential issues with them isn't the best idea to begin with... 

 

When my mother and aunt were kids back in the late 1950s, one of their neighbors distributed what looked like mint candies to other kids of the neighborhood. My mother didn't want to eat one but a lot of kids ate them and my aunt didn't even notice the first one didn't taste that great so she ate two of these candies which were in fact cockroach poison tablets... Nobody died but the doctor got quite busy with these kids!

 

I guess they looked like these boric acid tablets!

 

http://www.aos.org/Default.aspx?id=136
 

 

I even salivate when I see these packages, there must be something wrong with them!

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A few points:

-- I made that "natural selection" comment last year totally toungue-in-cheek.

-- I concede that they really DO look like candy; Tide even packages them in a clear container in the shape of a classic candy container, no less.

-- Is this an attempt by Tide for in-home ongoing marketing? Keep the packaging and the product so attractive the consumer will want to keep it on display in their laundry rooms? Unlike ripped and sagging boxes, they really ARE nice enough to leave out on the counter.

-- Kids helping themselves to laundry pods thinking they're candy. Are kids today also helping themselves to CANDY around the house as well? Who lets their kids do this??

-- At the very least, haven't these parents heard of keeping crap like this on a high shelf??
 
One of my least-favorite observations in public these days are parents who would have recused themselves from the genepool had they only known how to work a mirror.

Not that I'm any paragon. I'm fat AND skinny at the same time with a scalp of weeds and Austin Powers teeth. Twasn't always so, but now I have to shower in the dark or the water won't come out of the faucet. But at least I'm not dumb as cowflop.

I certainly don't wish toddlers to die for their parents' stupidity. Or Proctology and Grumble's. But if they do, who's to say it isn't gawd's will?
 
taking this off the market will only put an end to this problem, only for people to find another to show their own stupidity...

and why should the whole world have to suffer because of no brainers of others...

a mother lets her 9YO child play with a washer, where the lid switch broke, allowing her to add clothes during a spin cycle, and ripped her arm off.....then on top of it, the manufacturer gets sued, and the mother wins......end result, we get LOCKS on the lids of machines now, or switches that don't allow the machine to operate with the lid open.....so we have to suffer because of their stupidity....

how can the world progress forward, if were constantly being held back!....

I was 3 when I started doing my mothers wash.....and I must have been a brainiac, never thought to eat detergent, or put my hand inside the machine while it was in use...and didn't have to be told!

common sense and intelligence are black and white......its the ones in the gray area that ruin it for everyone else...
 
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