mrb627
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I am looking for a GOOD, no GREAT detergent for washing WHITE clothes only. Does anyone manufacture a detergent specifically for white clothes in a powdered HE formula?
Malcolm
Malcolm
Powdered HE laundry Detergent for WHITES ONLY!
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panthera
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Malcom,
A combination of American cleaning products which works great on whites in my experience is the booster 'Dreft' for baby clothes together with 1/4 cup borax and Walmart's Great Value HE. We've got a family situation which is similar to what a mother using cotton diapers experiences and those three together clean whites perfectly (in 145F water, 24 minute wash cycle). I try to stay away from chlorine bleach and this combination has worked very well for me. The link covers other soils besides the one listed, including grease.
I know the price is absurd here, but any German Persil which is designated "Vollwaschmittel" is designed to apply both bleach and enzymes together with other very aggressive cleaning agents to get whites and 'color-fast' clothes truly clean.
Since FL are the only washers in Europe, the HE designation is not needed, all European automatic detergents are HE.
http://www.dreft.com/laundry_tips/removing_diaper_soils.jsp
A combination of American cleaning products which works great on whites in my experience is the booster 'Dreft' for baby clothes together with 1/4 cup borax and Walmart's Great Value HE. We've got a family situation which is similar to what a mother using cotton diapers experiences and those three together clean whites perfectly (in 145F water, 24 minute wash cycle). I try to stay away from chlorine bleach and this combination has worked very well for me. The link covers other soils besides the one listed, including grease.
I know the price is absurd here, but any German Persil which is designated "Vollwaschmittel" is designed to apply both bleach and enzymes together with other very aggressive cleaning agents to get whites and 'color-fast' clothes truly clean.
Since FL are the only washers in Europe, the HE designation is not needed, all European automatic detergents are HE.
http://www.dreft.com/laundry_tips/removing_diaper_soils.jsp
rayjay
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Malcolm. Miele makes one. When I was at the showroom, they did a small load of stained dish towels and they came out perfect.
I think you can order it on line from www.miele.com
It is now cheap.
I think you can order it on line from www.miele.com
It is now cheap.
panthera
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Not bad
I buy the best Persil in that quantity (Miele is selling Persil under their own brand name) and ship it to friends here in the 'States for about $30, so this is really not a bad price.
Of course, I don't know what shipping and handling, etc. are.
Speaking as someone who has lived in Europe for 27 years now, I really strongly suggest Persil/Miele only be used for TLs with water softener. The amount needed otherwise is going to be obscenely expensive.
One advantage of European detergents is that they are designed to keep the dirt in suspension for far far longer than the American brands. This means you can repeat the wash program without fear of soil being redeposited.
I buy the best Persil in that quantity (Miele is selling Persil under their own brand name) and ship it to friends here in the 'States for about $30, so this is really not a bad price.
Of course, I don't know what shipping and handling, etc. are.
Speaking as someone who has lived in Europe for 27 years now, I really strongly suggest Persil/Miele only be used for TLs with water softener. The amount needed otherwise is going to be obscenely expensive.
One advantage of European detergents is that they are designed to keep the dirt in suspension for far far longer than the American brands. This means you can repeat the wash program without fear of soil being redeposited.
bugsyjones
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Try Ariel Oxianillos powder. (from Mexico, you can get it in Mexican markets)
I've had incredible results with Oxianillos. I can wash any load in it and it comes out perfect. I will never go back to using any US product again.
I usually use chlorine bleach in my white loads and pre-treat any stains, but now I skip both and just put Ariel powder in.
I think it would be ok for High Efficiency machines, because it doesn't seem to suds very much in my top loader.
~Tim
I've had incredible results with Oxianillos. I can wash any load in it and it comes out perfect. I will never go back to using any US product again.
I usually use chlorine bleach in my white loads and pre-treat any stains, but now I skip both and just put Ariel powder in.
I think it would be ok for High Efficiency machines, because it doesn't seem to suds very much in my top loader.
~Tim
Plain powder TIDE HE and STPP will clean whites well. You can add some generic OXI-CLEAN for extra whitening.
I had tried some Gillette anti-perspirant I picked up at Costco when I ran out of what I usually use. It left yellowish stains in the under arm area of my tee shirts so I washed the shirts with the above formula in the W1918 at 190F and SHAZAM the stains vanished!
I had tried some Gillette anti-perspirant I picked up at Costco when I ran out of what I usually use. It left yellowish stains in the under arm area of my tee shirts so I washed the shirts with the above formula in the W1918 at 190F and SHAZAM the stains vanished!
mrb627
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Sears Powder
How does the Sears powder compare to Tide for cleaning whites?
Malcolm
How does the Sears powder compare to Tide for cleaning whites?
Malcolm
rayjay
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Malcolm Seara is a great powder for cleaning and stains, but I still like Tide, with chlorine bleach added to dispenser or after about 5 min. of washing, I add it to the detergent drawer if the load is really dirty.
But.....You really have to try the Miele for White wash or Persil.
But.....You really have to try the Miele for White wash or Persil.
Keven
what do you mean by "I really strongly suggest Persil/Miele only be used for TLs with water softener"?
Miele to my knowlegde only makes FL's and for any top loader you would have to use more product to get the same cleaning results.
Please enlighten.
jon
what do you mean by "I really strongly suggest Persil/Miele only be used for TLs with water softener"?
Miele to my knowlegde only makes FL's and for any top loader you would have to use more product to get the same cleaning results.
Please enlighten.
jon
panthera
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Jon,
Since I'm waiting on enlightenment myself, we'll have to make do with untangling my sentence.
Miele sells Persil under their own brand name in the US. Makes sense as Miele is already a known brand here and Persil means, at best, 'parsley'.
A large number of folks here (including several friends whom I supply with Persil througout the year from Germany) use the product in their TLs.
As you noted, FLs are the intended market for the detergent, not TLs which use three or more times as much water.
The effectiveness of the detergent in soft water is not going to be significantly reduced by increasing the volume of the water. It will be completely mitigated, however, by the enormous amount of 'hard' water in a TL unless dosed at a very very high rate.
This is why I strongly urge anyone who wants to use Miele/Persil/any European Detergent in a TL to only use it in soft water.
Hope that makes sense.
Since I'm waiting on enlightenment myself, we'll have to make do with untangling my sentence.
Miele sells Persil under their own brand name in the US. Makes sense as Miele is already a known brand here and Persil means, at best, 'parsley'.
A large number of folks here (including several friends whom I supply with Persil througout the year from Germany) use the product in their TLs.
As you noted, FLs are the intended market for the detergent, not TLs which use three or more times as much water.
The effectiveness of the detergent in soft water is not going to be significantly reduced by increasing the volume of the water. It will be completely mitigated, however, by the enormous amount of 'hard' water in a TL unless dosed at a very very high rate.
This is why I strongly urge anyone who wants to use Miele/Persil/any European Detergent in a TL to only use it in soft water.
Hope that makes sense.
Ah light
dawns on marblehead. Yes I see the logic now. I have soft water and I get very good results with Persil (german)
dawns on marblehead. Yes I see the logic now. I have soft water and I get very good results with Persil (german)
nmassman44
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The Miele branded detergent is NOT made by Henkel the makers of Persil. It is made by Kressler. It is not the same scent wise or performance wise. I bought the Miele White and Color powders and I thought that same thing that they would be made by Henkel but if you look at the box in the back it will say made in Germany by Kressler.
The detergent doesnt perform at all like Persil. Persil is superior to the Miele detergent.
The detergent doesnt perform at all like Persil. Persil is superior to the Miele detergent.
panthera
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Hmm.
This is not my experience.
Perhaps Miele has two sources?
Perhaps they have changed suppliers?
I've got to pick up a filter for our Blue Moon soon, I'll ask the dealer for a whiff.
Just sent this email to the Miele Mothership, we see what they have to say:
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
seit einiger Wochen, bin ich bein Freunden in Amerika auf Besuch. Sie schwärmen alle von Ihrem Waschmittelsortiment. Umstritten her ist, allerdings, die Frage, ob Miele Detergent etwa 'Persil' von Henkel oder Kressler ist.
Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn Sie mir eine kurz Antwort geben könnten.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
This is not my experience.
Perhaps Miele has two sources?
Perhaps they have changed suppliers?
I've got to pick up a filter for our Blue Moon soon, I'll ask the dealer for a whiff.
Just sent this email to the Miele Mothership, we see what they have to say:
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
seit einiger Wochen, bin ich bein Freunden in Amerika auf Besuch. Sie schwärmen alle von Ihrem Waschmittelsortiment. Umstritten her ist, allerdings, die Frage, ob Miele Detergent etwa 'Persil' von Henkel oder Kressler ist.
Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn Sie mir eine kurz Antwort geben könnten.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
nmassman44
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They have 2 sources and is what they sell here in the US and on their site.
panthera
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Mike,
Two suppliers would explain it. There is, by the by, more than one 'Persil' smell.
Gold Megapearls are their premium product in Germany right now and I have to say, wow!
Two suppliers would explain it. There is, by the by, more than one 'Persil' smell.
Gold Megapearls are their premium product in Germany right now and I have to say, wow!
nmassman44
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The Gold MegaPearls to me smells the same as the regular MegaPearls. When my mom went to Germany she brought back to the States a bag of Persil MegaPearls Color. I had a box of the stuff already and I opened the bag and the scents were identical. There is a German store here in Mass in Saugus that I will have to go back to. They had the Persil Gold MegaPearls Universal for $17 USD. Not cheap and its a 20 load bag. I usually get the 45 load box for $45 USD. The price can make one cringe but I dont use much of it and the results are outstanding.
panthera
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Prices
I routinely bring several kilos of Persil, whichever is the current "bestes" over when I come to the US.
Only once has a hysterical American in Atlanta insisted it be confiscated.
The price you're paying, bad as it is, is worth it if you've got really dirty stuff to get clean and can't use warm water - the cold water activator actually works pretty well.
When I mention scent, I'm thinking back over a far wider range of Persil products than are marketed in the US at any price and over several decades of scents coming and going.
The 'universal' on a German detergent used to mean that the bleach didn't kick in below 60C, so was safe for colored laundry washed in luke-warm water. I sure wouldn't try that today...
I routinely bring several kilos of Persil, whichever is the current "bestes" over when I come to the US.
Only once has a hysterical American in Atlanta insisted it be confiscated.
The price you're paying, bad as it is, is worth it if you've got really dirty stuff to get clean and can't use warm water - the cold water activator actually works pretty well.
When I mention scent, I'm thinking back over a far wider range of Persil products than are marketed in the US at any price and over several decades of scents coming and going.
The 'universal' on a German detergent used to mean that the bleach didn't kick in below 60C, so was safe for colored laundry washed in luke-warm water. I sure wouldn't try that today...
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