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Jon - this Kenmore is plain HOT!

Very glad that it followed you home. Seems to have cleaned up nicely. Also, I've never seen a yellow vari-flex before, just the white ones in the Lady K's.

The vid was fab. Thanks for sharing, the cleaning and video's take time!

Ben
 
Great save Jon! Congratulations on owning a classic belt drive machine.
 
Thanks all!

I'm quite happy with it! It's a really nice machine indeed. I was finally able to pay attention to an entire normal cycle. Eventually I'll make a video of it but since we were talking about this earlier though I'd bring it up.

We were discussing how many rinses these machines did to include spray and deep rinsing. This machine does 4 sprays in the first spin, 1 deep rinse, 4 more sprays in the final spin, and an optionaly 2nd deep rinse for a total of 10. I can't remember for sure but my 1984 portable does 3 sprays, 1 deep rinse, and 2 sprays in the final. The spins are also longer for a couple of minutes on the 1970 model machine.

Glad you guys like the video!

Jon
 
Johnathan:

Here is picture of my pushbutton Kenmore. Mine has the white Vari-Flex. The water level control is next to the timer knob.

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Congratulations Jon on getting those up and running. Thank you so much for that awesome video. I have never heard a Kenmore without the woo woo sound. It must be one quiet machine. I look forward to the video of the normal cycle.

Have a good one,
James
 
Excellent Jon. Congratulations!

Does the recirculation (dispenser)stop during the wash cycle?

Does anybody have some pic inside of Vari-flex agitator?

-Rodrigo
 
Jason,

hehe I had no idea you liked Kenmores THAT much. But if you pleases you, I do frequent your Kenmore video as well. I had never seen a Perm Press cycle like this until your video popped up. It's pretty cool I think!

As far as the recirculating dispenser, yes, it only does it for 2 minutes at the very beginning of the cycles. If you start the cycle at 12 minutes or less you have to put the detergent in the tub itself because the dispenser will not activate. However during the delicate cycle there are two times that it will activate: at the beginning (10 min wash) and again at 6 minutes which is the beginning of the "Wool" cycle.

Jon
 
Jonathan, fyi,.. On the last generation of Kenmore 800s (the one like Jason got with the knotched lid opening rather than the metal/chrome handle) the detergent dispenser ran for 4 minutes (14 & 12 minute mark Normal and 12 & 10 minute mark for PP). I can tell you that 2 minute detergent flush on delicate barely got everything out of there--well I was using 3B All and Clorox 2).
 
Bob,

Maybe they learned huh? Delicate definitely slows down the flow rate. Did you also notice also that when the washer is draining for the cool-down portions of the cycle, it is draining on slow speed? That's the first time I'd ever seen a Kenmore do that too. Drainings were always done on the normal fast speed.
 
Drainings were always done on the normal fast speed

Jon, as far as Kenmores were concerned, the w'n'w/PP cool down drain speeds alternated back & forth between high & low over the years. The first versions drained on high and added water MANY times without agitation in between. I think they went to the slow drain when they started the agitation while cold water fill during the cool down. I mean really, could you see that cooldown phase with high speed agitation where it starts at the point the water level is "reset"? Then when the extra large capacity machines debuted, Whirlpool put 4 minute drian periods on the machines. That is also when the cooldown drains switched to being on regular speed. You can not imagine my dismay and disgust when I did the first load of PP on the new large capacity Seris 70 washber purchassed mid to late winter 1975/1976. Was glad we still had the Kenmore 800 in Houston for a few more years, it jsut wan't "the same" anymore.
 
Hopefully this is not too silly a question:

On the Gentle cycle, did Kenmores from the 60s/early 70s drain at slow speed, or did they switch to high speed? Thank you in advance.

Have a good one,
James
 
The only time the rinses were on low was when the Kenmores shifted form regular to gentle speed in themiddle of the W'n'W cycle. Once they didn't shift anymore and kept on normal agitation through that wash phase, then rinse was high speed too.
 
You’re the best, Jon!

Thanks for the Perm Press video. The dispensing of the detergent and the gentle agitation while filling in the “cool” part of the cycle are AWESOME!

With the Vari Flex agitator and the “Custom Care” option the wash possibilities are endless.

Have fun!
~Jeff
 
Interesting note about Perm Press / Wash & Wear in Kenmores

Sears catalogs sometimes mentioned back in the 60s and 70s that they had engineers constantly testing and deveoloping their machines. That seemed overplayed to me, but there is actually evidence that they accomplished some things in replacement timers that were or are available for the belt-drive washers.

My point - Wash & Wear / Perm. Press changed a lot in Kenmores over the years, and may have as well in WPs, I'm not so sure. In Kenmores though, I remember the two partial drains, slow-agitate cold-water refills in our '61, and the much less amusing non-agitate refills in our '74. I don't recall the agitate speed in that machine during cool-down (we don't use Perm Press much at all).

One thing I can say for certainty however - most of the original timer numbers for belt-drives have been revised and sub-over to newer or different numbers. This can sometimes alter a machine's "personality", For example, a 1973 18-lb large capacity machine originally used a timer that was shared and used mostly with a standard capacity model. The big-tub was really just a variant of the regular one. The original timer allowed only a 2-minute drain. That doesn't leave a lot of idle time on a full tub, especially in the 18-pounder. This was followed by a four minute first spin and a 6-minute final spin (Normal cycles). The original timer for those machines subs now to a differnt timer, which has some altered sequences - a 4-minute drain and a 2-minute first spin and 4-minute final spin. Total cycle time doesn't change, but the new timer improves the drain period for the big machines, and lessens wear and tear on spin bearings (which was an issue in high-mileage pre-1978 machines).

Other changes have been made to timers, some of which even got "announced" to owners in the form of a little instruction sheet packed with the new timer. In the late 70s, a new version of one very common timer came packed with an announcement stating that one of the original two cool-down sequences in Perm Press had been eliminated, as testing had determined that the 'new' single-cool down cycle was virtually as effective and saved water.

Appnut mentions that large capacity machines had a 4-minute drain by the mid-70s. While this is true, the standard capacity machines that used the same timers did also. The timer in my 'green beast' is the same timer that was used on probably half the machines made from 1976 thru 1986, and has a 4-minute drain. To accomodate the various pumps and capacities during that time, the timer has to accomodate the biggest machines with the slowest pumps.

I recently found a new timer for my '61 model 70. It too has a sub-over part number. The machine doesn't need a timer that I know of, but I have it for when or if it does. It would be interesting to see if the wash 'n wear cycle has been altered in it too!

Gordon
 
custom care

As described earlier in the thread, the Custom Care button slowed the agitation to gentle during any cycle. Spin speed remained the same......
 

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