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What's the best upright out there that I can buy (retail or commercial,I don't care as long as I can buy one without a lot of hassle)?

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before I answer...

What will it be cleaning?
How important are tools?
What do you want it to do for you?
 
Kirby. They are metal, they last forever, and clean very well.

I have a G4 that I bought as a rebuild, and I love it.
 
Um...uhhhh Mr. Gansky......

Might you be in that position so you can recieve that Oreck?

Sideways perhaps???

You'll get more dirt off the floor with a shovel!!!
 
Kirby

*IMHO* if you are leaning toward Kirby, get a non-powerdrive rebuild. the G-series imho, is too heavy and cumbersome. Baja, you really should tell us what your cleaning priorites are, and whether you are willing to buy vintage or not. is weight an issue? do you use the tools a lot? is stair cleaning important to you? also, tell us about price range. for example, if you want cheap, the Hoover Tempo is very nice. if price is no object, the Lindhaus uprights can cost five times as much as the Hoover. be more specific, Baja
 
I've always preferred tank vacuums over uprights simply becasue with a tank vacuum you can clean a wide variety of surfaces above the floor. With an upright, you are limited to their specialty of cleaning carpeted floors....a job which they actually do better than tanks though. So, which tank do I prefer? I like the Electrolux and Tri-star (Compact) vacuums the best. They are built incredibly well, and will last generations. They also come with all sorts of neat attachments for just about any job. When it does come to uprights, I like the Kirbys because they possess the same good build quality. Another thing I like in a vaccum is the bag before fan configuration. This keeps solid objects from damaging the impeller inside the vacuum because they are filtered out first. This is one disadvantage of a Kirby...luckily, changing the impellers on those isn't too hard.

Really though, cleaning effectiveness is affected by moving lots of air, not pressure. This is what is rarely advertised by vacuum manufacturers (rarely do you see a CFM rating on a vacuum cleaner!) any vacuum that moves lots of air will do a good job, no matter how much power it uses, or how much negative pressure it can generate. This is an area that I think the Oreck vacuums fall short on. They create a lot of pressure, but don't really move a tremendous amount of air.

The second half of cleaning effectiveness is good filtration. I've rarely seen a bagless vacuum that really filters all that good. The ones that do still have parts that need to be regularly changed, so what's the diff between that and a bag? This is one area the Orecks are good at, and so are the Tri-Stars too!

Another important thing to keep in mind is parts avaialbility. The cheap "fad" vacuums that are sold at most of the big box stores will probably not last very long, but that's not a bad thing, since these important parts like bags, belts and such will probably be discontinued rather quickly. This is one of the ways the manufacturers "purge" the field of old machines that escaped their engineered in planned obselecence. (also done quite heavily in the electronics industry)
 
My only gripe about buying a Electrolux (aerus), Tri-Star, or Kirby these days is that you must typically deal with shadey salespeople who over charge for the machine. The worse part is when you won't purchase one on the spot after the demonstration, and you cannot get rid of the sales rep! You may be able to buy an Aerus at a real storefront, but I don't know of any of the other two that are sold in real brick & mortar stores
 
If I was just going out to buy a new upright with no interest in all things vacuum I would buy a Kenmore or Panasonic because they're good vacs and reasonably priced. But seeing as I like collecting vacs etc I couldn't do it. I'd rather something vintage or really well built. Personally I think the Kirby Legend Heritage II is the best of all the Kirbys. non self propelled, great carpet cleaner and not as bulky as its predecessors nor as heavy as the self propelled G series. It's also user fixable for anyone with a minimum of talent and should last forever. PLUS you can get them CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
 
I would say that the best vacuum is definately the Simplicity Synergy/Riccar Radiance. Its very powerful and well built.
 
For carpet cleaning, I prefer a machine with good agitator and nozzle design over one that moves lots of air. Carpet fibers put up too much resistance to overcome with suction. A good agitator will brush the nap aside and vibrate the dirt loose. You only need enough suction to move dirt from nozzle to bag.

Unfortunately, marketing people have found that agitator designs aren't exactly "sexy." So while Hoover once bragged about its Quadraflex(TM) agitator, and Eureka boasted of its Vibra Groomer(R) brush roll, these days it's all bagless this, clear plastic that. Make it flashy, so it stands out on the shelf.

The soft-bagged Eureka/Sanitaire uprights still have the "Vibra Groomer" brush rolls, and Hoover's commercial uprights still have the fundamentals that made the company famous. If you're on a budget, the $60 Hoover bagged Tempo that brettsomers mentioned is the best of the sub$100 crowd. On the other end, Kirbys are capable on carpets, move plenty of air with their attachments, and last practically forever. You can get "Brand new in box" Diamond Editions on eBay for $800 or so, and used ones are even less.

The Synergy/Radiance sure looks like it has what it takes, but I've never seen one so I can't say for sure.
 
I will vote for Kirbys as a whole and Royal Metal uprights for carpets and rugs.I have a Riccar Radiance-and these can clog.the performance of the kirby and royasl is better-and with half the power use.the fan first or direct air-Kirby,Royal,Hoovers,Eurekas,Riccar Radiance,Orecks(those are fan first too)Is their high efficiecny its better to push the dirty air into a filter system than trying to suck air thru it like clean air machines do-hence the larger higher current motors that have to generate morte suction pressure.Orecks are hampered by their tuiny fans and their high RPM motor.Kirbys and Royals,and some others have larger fans and lower RPM motors-hence those last longer and are more efficient.I see many Orecks in the Vac hospital "Morgue" out here.They get stripped to fix other Orecks.for cansisters The TriStar Compacts are very good-quiet,powerful and efficient.Most if not all common cansiters are the Clean air-filter first design.Canisters rely on suction pressure more than high CFM to do their job.The only "Canisters" that could be direct air are the Kirby configured as a canister and the commercial NSS Model "M" vac.These clean by high CFM rather than high suction pressures.
 
Aerus

Aerus machines are still sold DTD.Even if you went to their "store" they would still have to send a salesman to your house.Like Kirby,rainbow,TriStar,filter Queen,etc they cannot sell the machines out of their "store"only parts and supplies and repairs can be sold thru the storefront.the store serves as the local sales headquarters.they also would store their stock of machines there.Many DTD vac dealers don't have a store at all-just a small rented business front or room to store stock and a place for salesmen to meet and pick up machines for sales calls.Its unmanned for most of the time.
 
More specific

Sorry for not being more specific. I have an extensive collection of Electroluxes, so I use one of them for bare floor and above the floor cleaning. Presently, I have an old plastic Hoover Elite 200 BOL that I inherited from my parents. It's OK but it won't last much longer. I'm looking for a simple, old fashioned kind of upright, rather than the bizarre looking toys that seem to be the only thing available in stores these days ( why would any thinking person want a bagless machine?). I've read some of the intelligent discussions on this site concerning agitator brush configurations, speed etc. So I'm looking for the most efficient, preferably also the quietest, upright with a bag for deep cleaning carpets, orientals and broadloom. I wouldn't mind it at all if the upright could clean bare floors as well. And yes, I'm willing to find a vintage machine on ebay if that's what's good. My local vacuum guy once recommended a simple Panasonic to me and that's along the lines I'm thinking. Was Gansky's recommendation of the Oreck a joke or for real? CU always seems to say that their performance is rather mediocre, but then I feel the same about CU alot of the time.

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The Oreck

It is a very simple design and works well enough. I really like mine, but it sure isn't quiet. It has to be one of the loudest machines made, especially on bare floors. I love the old Panasonic design. Maybe you should try it out for a few days if your vac shop will allow that. Tim
 
I have had several clients I clean for who bought Orecks over the years and I (and they) have been disappointed at their cleaning ability over time. They work great if your goal is a quick, surface cleaning/sweeping, but they really have little or no deep cleaning ability - especially once the bristles on the brush-roll start to wear down. I heard one person at the vac convention last weekend describe them as a weak power-nozzle with a fan and a bag. I wasn't too surprised to not see one Oreck displayed (even in the "Free" pile) at the convention and found that most collectors and vac-experts really don't consider them a real vacuum cleaner. It just shows you the power of good marketing though - they sell a ton of them!

I love my Hoover Concept series cleaners, Sanitaire makes a very good upright which is what I use for work and the Kenmore/Riccar/Simplicity/Panasonic designs are all decent machines too.
 
Kirby G3

I clean 2500 SF of mainfloor office carpet with a vintage Kirby G3 with TechDrive. It is quiet and smooth as silk. The only problem is that I often feel underdressed. The TechDrive is like having a dance partner and I feel I should be wearing a tux.

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Love those Kirbys for office cleaning - I do a dental office with a G5 and it never fails to clean perfectly, I tend to dress down a bit though...

Your appliance-art is fantastic! I love the "J. Doe" style robots, Fred, Jeff and I saw the display window of your offices in Benson when they were here - such fun stuff.
 
Air-Way All The Way!

In the VCCC, most people have at least one Air-Way. Air-Way Signature Series vacuums are still made, in Alabama, out of metal, and by hand. They run about $500 to $600 for club members (from a club member) and about $700 to $800 for non-Club members (the buying 'public'). Air-Way's filtration is above reproach, they invented the micro filtration disposable bag in 1920. Air-Way was the inventor of the power nozzle, the dirt finder, the swivel top, etc. etc. etc.

Above all, they are DURABLE machine, made the correct way out of steel and polished aluminum, IN AMERICA out of American parts, and most vac shops carry the repair parts (whether or not they know it). Buy an Air-Way, they are excellent.

Charlie W. (from the VCCC) is an Air-Way dealer and he would be quite happy (I'm sure) to talk with you about it.
 
Depends what you got to clean...

I love the older heavy metal vacs, but found while my Kirby G3 (bought rebuilt) was fantastic to clean my large 3 bedroom home on the mainland, it was just "too much" for my hawaiian cottage. I now have an Oreck which I think is just the bee's knee's for whipping through my little place. I do question the Orecks ability to clean up after shaggy long hair pets-It seems like that would clog it up. Since the 3 area rugs in my place belong to the landlord, I don't really care whether they get deep cleaned or not. The nap isn't all that thick anyway, so as long as everything LOOKS clean, I'm happy.

There is no perfect vacuum, but by considering what you have to clean and your preferences, you can narrow it down to a machine that is right for you.
 
Air-way

I've got a Sani-clean New Century, about $500 with powernozzle, its light, powerful, and handles like a dream...
If you like canisters, its an excellent machine!
 
Does Air-Way make an upright machine? And how do I get in touch with Charlie W? I don't want another canister vac-if the Oreck had better ratings I would probably choose it. I want a simple, non-convertible upright that has the right system for beating and brushing dirt out of carpets efficiently. If it can do bare floors as well, that would be a plus but I mainly want something very quick and easy (no attachments) to pull out and use to clean carpets.
 
Well in that case

I'd recommend a metal Royal Everlast upright, solidly built, all metal, and they perform very well.

2nd choice would be a Sanitaire Blue line upright

3rd choice would be the Simplicity/Riccar supra light, also sold as the Hoover Ultra-light-weight.

Airway is only canisters, I'm not an Airway expert, but I think their last upright was the late 1930's...
 
Another question?

This is a bit off the subject of this thread, but what product do you guys use to clean paint and scuff marks from plastic-body uprights?
 
Air-Way Charlie Here........

Timborow,

Jeff is right that Air-Way only makes cannisters and has for quite some time. Their last upright was the Dirtmaster, (a less than stellar model but VERY collectable), circa. 1940.

I'm not a vacuum professor or genius, but for uprights that are effective and reasonable affordable, I would add to Jeff's list the Kenmore/Panasonic uprights, (various models and prices), and I also like the "Electrolux" which is really a Eureka, that Lowes carries. They have two models, one being a more basic and the other more deluxe.

The Sanitaire Blue upright that Jeff mentioned is excellent and very affordable.

When I clean plastic bodied vacuums, I use car wax. Meguiars ColorX to be exact. It helps restore the color and luster and will remove paint with a lot of rubbing if necessary. I have also used very fine steel wood and then gone over it with ColorX. Jeff recommends Brasso if I remember correctly. If the plastic is textured and not shiny, I use lacquer thinner but VERY lightly and sparingly as it actually will remove the plastic in addtion to any paint.

Lacquer thinner works great on rubber bumper trim and power cords. You should wear gloves as it is very harsh and will cause skin problems with direct contact.

Hope this will help you.
 
i like the vintage Hoover *convertible* uprights with a metal base. the motor runs smooth and quiet (the way a vacuum should) and its great at deep cleaning. you can find one on eBay and if its from a professional vac source, it may be serviced before delivery. or your local Hoover store can renew many older Hoovers. IMHO a classic Hoover Convertible seems to clean more deeply than the classic Panasonic style and MUCH more than Orecks? a Convertible wouldnt work on bare floor...
 
This cleans .........

carpets so well, but it is a bit noisy. It is a later model plastic body vacuum. You can get these real cheap. I got this for $3. I cleaned it up and it's really nice. Tim

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Sorry (Air-Way) Charlie...

I did not realize you were a dealer for Air-Way vacs. I had in mind to replace my 30 year old J.C.Penney/Hoover with a newer upright with as much metal as I could get. I read web and usenet posts, and had focused on Sanitaire. Reading the old posts in this forum's archive, I came upon a thread where Air-Way was discussed a lot, and I was intrigued. Although I seldom act impulsively, I went to the site and ordered one right then. Had I realized you sold them I would have contacted you instead.

As far as acting impulsively, in the last 12 months I have replaced the refrigerator, the range, the toilets, and the laundry machines in my house. Each was investigated via the internet for days on end, with much changing of mind, etc. In the end, I actually bought the items which I identified early in the search. All have proven to be fine. It is just so uncharacteristic of me to do it all in one day that I thought it deserved mention here. I hope (and expect) to feel the same about the Air-Way New Century.
 
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