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Hey guys,
well as y'all no i've got a hoover logic 1300. i've had it about 7months now..& i fancy a change! i went past one of the recon places,i had to stop & turn around! To my amazement there was a very rare SERVIS QUARTZ! i would get the servis & keep the hoover,but for the moment i'm still living with rents & i no my Dad would get a bit grumpy about the idea of "Another" washer...

i was just wondering what you guys think would be the better machine? if u've used either machine? or known of people who've had them:-) All thoughts appreciated:D

thankyooooooooooooou!

Darren
 
....personally!!!

I would get the servis Quartz. To find one that is still in working condition is pretty good!
I found the Hoovers of the "Logic" variety a little boring but servis quartz have loads more options! I wanted one when I was younger but could only afford a hoover twinny! Should have kept the hoover looking back but hey!

GO SERVIS!!!!!!
 
Why not go for the servis ! It's another machine to experience isn't it. I think it may be a bit older than the Logic. I remember them being quite noisy - and sometimes the ones i used to use would bang a bit on an uneven spin ramp up. Still, miles better than Servis today which is made by Indesit and many need the `boards' replacing after about a year. Happy washing !
 
Microcomputer Controlled Servis Quartz 1000

Hi Darren,
I have a Servis Quartz 1000 model 602 it’s a great machine. Servis was the first appliance manufacturer in the world to produce a microchip controlled washing machine back in 1977; the first machines were ready in 1980, it was jointly developed with P&G and its wash cycles were designed to get the best results from Ariel Automatic as it was then called. The first Quartz was the model 600 it had many serious reliability problems including drum failures and bearing failures. If the Quartz you have found is a model 600 or 601 it would be quite poor reliability wise but if it’s a 602 then it would be a much better machine, it could even be one of the newer Quartz models with the door as the full front of the machine, these later models were reliable machines and also featured Polypropylene outer tubs, the famous SpinCare™ drum had also been replaced by a conventional multi hole drum in these later models and a 1200RPM spin speed was also available.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Servis were first

Hi Louis,
Miele may claim whatever they like however the fact remains that Servis then a British company produced the worlds first Microprocessor controlled washer the Servis Quartz in 1977 a full year before Miele; Miele my well have marketed their washer first but they were not the first to develop the technology that title is held by Servis and was well advertised at the time.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Hugh, in the 70s and 80s were Servis machines `true' Servis, or were many of the components made by another firm like nowadays ? For some reason I always thought that there were links with Hoover back then... but that is just an impression I got having observed / listened to the machines in action. Would be really grateful if you could enlighten me !

Nick
 
If your dad complains about your appliance collection, just wait until dinner the next night and tell him you want to sell all of it in order to buy some fluorescent lights and hydroponic gardening supplies, to start growing marijuana. "Yeah, dad, and I can make some good money selling it to all my friends!"

Or tell him you've decided to become a "normal" kid and start having sex with anything that moves, and ask him for advice on avoiding sexually-transmitted diseases. "Is it true that I can't get the clap if I wash myself down with coca-cola? And does that work for HIV too?"

Nothing like a little perspective, eh? :-)
 
Microprocessor

Surely the Miele and Servis electronic control machines were being developed at the same time, so wouldn't it be more fair to say that they both developed the world's first electronic washing machines regardless of when they went on the market? Surely Miele electronics took more than a year to develop, but meh...

Jon :-)
 
BTW Darren, My vote's for the Servis!! :-) Keep the Hoover too, just ignore whatever comments your parents make. That's what I did when the Miele turned up unexpected to them on our doorstep... :-p

Jon
 
A Great British Company

Hi Nick,
In the 70s and 80s Servis machines were indeed true Servis machines and the Quartz was their own British design, the program cycles were developed jointly with P&G to make efficient use of Ariel Automatic as it was then called. Servis front loaders were very advanced back then for example they had the SpinCare™ drum which was designed to reduce wear and tear on fabrics more than 20 years before Miele released their Honeycomb Care System, the Quartz also had inbuilt fault diagnosis in 1977, a rear fill tub design, they had slimline cabinets and were still able to take the standard 4.5KG 9Lb load, the Quartz has one of the best designed detergent dispensers I have ever seen being virtually self cleaning. The Quartz also had a unique multi fabric mixed load cycle which could safely wash a variety of items it also served as an advanced stain removal program; and of course I must not forget the soak wash cycle which allowed you to soak items as long as you liked, to quote the manual “One Tumble every 30 minutes till start is pressed”.
It’s really sad to see the less than impressive machines they sell today.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Hugh,

When were the Servis Quartz machines discontinued - was it along with Servis's buyout by Antonio Merloni in 1991?? I remember a lot of problems we have today at work with people who have their old Servis machines is that many had their kitchens built around them, and now they have to redesign their washer hole or relocate the washer to accommodate a new machine - the only disadvantage to the slimline machines. But that was also a fault with a lot of old washers, so you can't fault them just for that. How did the SpinCare drum do in spin drying with no perforations on the edge of the tub?

BTW In terms of Miele - their brochure claims that they were the first to reach 1000rpm in 1972 or so - however my Nana's Hoover Electronic 1100 from 1972 had an 1100rpm spin speed!!

P.S. did you get the email I sent earlier on?

Take care,

Jon
 
BTW, Nick...

Today's Servis machines are made by Antonio Merloni (who also make Asko), which is totally different to the Indesit Company, formerly known as Merloni Electrodomescitti (excuse my Italian LOL). Easy to confuse the two, as they are both company's of two brothers. One of the reasons Merloni Electrodomescitti changed their name to the Indesit Company was to avoid any further confusion.

Take care :-)

Jon
 
Hmmm....

Jon (the British one LOL),

I don't see any facts about when Miele introduced their first 1000rpm spin machine and that they were the first to introduce 1000rpm on the German website. Is that a British brochure you are talking about? Actually I thought Philips was the first with the Philips CC1000.

Jon (yes you mr Jetcone),

I mailed V-Zug because they state on their website that their first automatic machine (a Unimatic) was introduced in 1950. It's a toploader but it's not clear if that is a V-axis or H-axis machine. I will come back on this when I hear from them. Constructa was supposedly the first to come out with an automatic washing machine (frontloader) in 1954, but who knows V-Zug was first.

Here's the link to the history page of V-Zug.

http://www.v-zug.ch/v-zug/internet.nsf/PageID/wandel_der_zeit_bilder_damals_heute
 
Servis Selectronic 1976...

Darren, No Contest...SERVIS it is..

"Sold On Superiority Throughout The World"...(so the adds said then,)

The Servis Selectronic was indeed the first electronic machine to hit the markets, this was unveiled at the AMDEA Electrical show in 1976, and sold onwards...

The First Quartz models where based on this Silicone Chip machine.

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The Worlds First Computer Controlled Washer

Hi Mike,
Thank you for backing me up with the proof that Servis was the first to manufacture and sell the worlds first Computer controlled washing machine. I must admit I had totally forgotten about the Selectronic. Are those Quartz models in the pictures your own machines? I have the model 602 very similar to the model 600 in your picture I think it's about 1984-85 and still going strong, I will tidy up the my wash room and get some pictures for everyone there are a some of Mums gardening things in front of the Quartz at the minute my Servis Slimline Electronic 308S in the wash room beside the Quartz so I will get a snap of it at the same time. I had to replace the motor in the 308S luckily the motor of a Hoover Electronic 800 fits if the connecter plug is changed.

All the best.
Hugh
 
SpinCare Drum

Hi Mike! Great pictures, those Servis machines look absolutely gorgeous!!

In terms of the SpinCare drum - I gather that the water went out the slits at the back of the drum? And is there a similar set of slits at the front of the drum?

I'd absolutely love to see one of these in person! Again, such a shame to see Servis in the state it is now :-(

Jon
 
SOOOOOOOLD. I fink im gonna ebay the logic :| omg i cant belive i just said that! but those servis machines were so good & those spincare drums were awesooooome! im negotiating with my brother tonight to see if he'll pick up & take it home in the van with me. i hope he wil. im bribing him with money & dinner:D btw mike it had the same door as the machine in the first pic which my mums friend had coincidently:D my bros g.f used 2 ave one similar to the model in the next pic but with a dial! i think its gotta be the servis..i've had my logical fun...now i wanna quartz:D
 
Servis Quartz Water Levels

Hi Darren,
The Quartz models have three water levels low, mid and high; the low level is about the same as the low level on your Logic the high level is almost half way up the door glass the mid level comes well up the tapering area of the door glass. Cotton cycles use the mid level for wash and high level for rinses and if the half load option is selected the low and mid levels are used, synthetic cycles use the high level for wash and rinses this changes to the mid level with the half load option. I forgot to mention the superb Bio option which changes hot fill only programs to hot and cold fill; it heats to 30ºC and adds an additional 10 minutes of gentle wash action to the selected cycle it then continues heating to the selected temperature say 60ºC and washes for 10 minutes with normal action, this option was designed to allow the Biological action of Ariel to remove stains. The Quartz also has a slightly faster tumbling speed at 60RPM which made the wash action more efficient in conjunction with the SpinCare™ drum; they were very advanced machines for their time and loads of fun to watch.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Hi Jon,
Sorry I missed your question earlier, to the best of my knowledge it was around 1991-92 the last of the Servis designs were produced so it was shortly after the Antonio Merloni buyout, perhaps Mike might have more details.

Regarding spin speeds the Hoover Electronic 1100 De Luxe had an 1100RPM spin in the early 70s and let’s not forget that GM Frigidaire had the 1140RPM Unimatic in 1952 so Miele were defiantly not the first to pass the 1000RPM milestone.

I have not checked my e-mail yet today but I will be checking it later on so I will reply then.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Vanes n Chevrons

Hi Jon

It has two lots of vanes in the spincare drum, one at the front as well...

These servis machines from the MK72, 300 & all later series where the only machines where you can take the outer cabinet off and the drum & supports stand on the rigid metal base.

The only other manufacturer I think to do that was Asko.

And all to think in 1929 Messres Wilkins & Mitchell couldnt deceide whether to make a lawnmower or washer, the washer won when they saw their wives & friends enthuise over it.

Hugh, the later quartz is mine along with the 308 & dryer they replaced.Dont yet have a 600 series.

Has anyone ever seen the replacement drum for the Spincare, the V shaped "Chevron" drum?? this was used in later machines including the washer dryer...

They must have been good if you think Hitachi risked their reputation breaking into the UK white Goods market when Servis made their first machines...I passed up a Hitachi 1300 Washer Dryer a few months ago, am kicking myself now!!

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Spin Speeds

1971 - First Hotpoint MK1600 F/L 1100 rpm *****
1972 - First Philips Top Load Drum 1000spin
1976 - First Miele UK 1000spin
1978 - First Hoover 1100 spin
1983 - First Servis 1000 spin

Nick,
There was a cross over with Hoover & Servis on some of their scourced motors, hence the "Sounds Similar" but nothing else.

WE forget it was Hotpoint with the big 25inch wide front loader with timeline controls that was ahead of the crowd with the fastest spin on the market AT 100RPM, ( along with the toploader as well)

Also the Philips HN3109 UK Made, 1000rpm Double Bearing,Top Load, right to left action, not front to back which was later.

Wow, laundry history...
 

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