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spiraclean
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The Worlds First Computer Controlled Washer
Hi Mike,
Thank you for backing me up with the proof that Servis was the first to manufacture and sell the worlds first Computer controlled washing machine. I must admit I had totally forgotten about the Selectronic. Are those Quartz models in the pictures your own machines? I have the model 602 very similar to the model 600 in your picture I think it's about 1984-85 and still going strong, I will tidy up the my wash room and get some pictures for everyone there are a some of Mums gardening things in front of the Quartz at the minute my Servis Slimline Electronic 308S in the wash room beside the Quartz so I will get a snap of it at the same time. I had to replace the motor in the 308S luckily the motor of a Hoover Electronic 800 fits if the connecter plug is changed.
All the best.
Hugh
Hi Mike,
Thank you for backing me up with the proof that Servis was the first to manufacture and sell the worlds first Computer controlled washing machine. I must admit I had totally forgotten about the Selectronic. Are those Quartz models in the pictures your own machines? I have the model 602 very similar to the model 600 in your picture I think it's about 1984-85 and still going strong, I will tidy up the my wash room and get some pictures for everyone there are a some of Mums gardening things in front of the Quartz at the minute my Servis Slimline Electronic 308S in the wash room beside the Quartz so I will get a snap of it at the same time. I had to replace the motor in the 308S luckily the motor of a Hoover Electronic 800 fits if the connecter plug is changed.
All the best.
Hugh
SpinCare Drum
Hi Mike! Great pictures, those Servis machines look absolutely gorgeous!!
In terms of the SpinCare drum - I gather that the water went out the slits at the back of the drum? And is there a similar set of slits at the front of the drum?
I'd absolutely love to see one of these in person! Again, such a shame to see Servis in the state it is now :-(
Jon
Hi Mike! Great pictures, those Servis machines look absolutely gorgeous!!
In terms of the SpinCare drum - I gather that the water went out the slits at the back of the drum? And is there a similar set of slits at the front of the drum?
I'd absolutely love to see one of these in person! Again, such a shame to see Servis in the state it is now :-(
Jon
newwave1
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SOOOOOOOLD. I fink im gonna ebay the logic :| omg i cant belive i just said that! but those servis machines were so good & those spincare drums were awesooooome! im negotiating with my brother tonight to see if he'll pick up & take it home in the van with me. i hope he wil. im bribing him with money & dinner
btw mike it had the same door as the machine in the first pic which my mums friend had coincidently my bros g.f used 2 ave one similar to the model in the next pic but with a dial! i think its gotta be the servis..i've had my logical fun...now i wanna quartz
btw mike it had the same door as the machine in the first pic which my mums friend had coincidently my bros g.f used 2 ave one similar to the model in the next pic but with a dial! i think its gotta be the servis..i've had my logical fun...now i wanna quartz
newwave1
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oo can ne 1 tel me wot the water levels r like on them...cuz i love the mega high water levels on the logic
I had another look at the Miele factsheet. I guess the differences are in the details. Miele claims they launched the first computer controlled washer, dryer and dishwasher with sensor controls. A few words sometimes make a huge difference!
spiraclean
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Servis Quartz Water Levels
Hi Darren,
The Quartz models have three water levels low, mid and high; the low level is about the same as the low level on your Logic the high level is almost half way up the door glass the mid level comes well up the tapering area of the door glass. Cotton cycles use the mid level for wash and high level for rinses and if the half load option is selected the low and mid levels are used, synthetic cycles use the high level for wash and rinses this changes to the mid level with the half load option. I forgot to mention the superb Bio option which changes hot fill only programs to hot and cold fill; it heats to 30ºC and adds an additional 10 minutes of gentle wash action to the selected cycle it then continues heating to the selected temperature say 60ºC and washes for 10 minutes with normal action, this option was designed to allow the Biological action of Ariel to remove stains. The Quartz also has a slightly faster tumbling speed at 60RPM which made the wash action more efficient in conjunction with the SpinCare™ drum; they were very advanced machines for their time and loads of fun to watch.
All the best.
Hugh
Hi Darren,
The Quartz models have three water levels low, mid and high; the low level is about the same as the low level on your Logic the high level is almost half way up the door glass the mid level comes well up the tapering area of the door glass. Cotton cycles use the mid level for wash and high level for rinses and if the half load option is selected the low and mid levels are used, synthetic cycles use the high level for wash and rinses this changes to the mid level with the half load option. I forgot to mention the superb Bio option which changes hot fill only programs to hot and cold fill; it heats to 30ºC and adds an additional 10 minutes of gentle wash action to the selected cycle it then continues heating to the selected temperature say 60ºC and washes for 10 minutes with normal action, this option was designed to allow the Biological action of Ariel to remove stains. The Quartz also has a slightly faster tumbling speed at 60RPM which made the wash action more efficient in conjunction with the SpinCare™ drum; they were very advanced machines for their time and loads of fun to watch.
All the best.
Hugh
Hugh,
Did you see my question in one of my posts above?
Jon
Did you see my question in one of my posts above?
Jon
spiraclean
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Hi Jon,
Sorry I missed your question earlier, to the best of my knowledge it was around 1991-92 the last of the Servis designs were produced so it was shortly after the Antonio Merloni buyout, perhaps Mike might have more details.
Regarding spin speeds the Hoover Electronic 1100 De Luxe had an 1100RPM spin in the early 70s and let’s not forget that GM Frigidaire had the 1140RPM Unimatic in 1952 so Miele were defiantly not the first to pass the 1000RPM milestone.
I have not checked my e-mail yet today but I will be checking it later on so I will reply then.
All the best.
Hugh
Sorry I missed your question earlier, to the best of my knowledge it was around 1991-92 the last of the Servis designs were produced so it was shortly after the Antonio Merloni buyout, perhaps Mike might have more details.
Regarding spin speeds the Hoover Electronic 1100 De Luxe had an 1100RPM spin in the early 70s and let’s not forget that GM Frigidaire had the 1140RPM Unimatic in 1952 so Miele were defiantly not the first to pass the 1000RPM milestone.
I have not checked my e-mail yet today but I will be checking it later on so I will reply then.
All the best.
Hugh
Vanes n Chevrons
Hi Jon
It has two lots of vanes in the spincare drum, one at the front as well...
These servis machines from the MK72, 300 & all later series where the only machines where you can take the outer cabinet off and the drum & supports stand on the rigid metal base.
The only other manufacturer I think to do that was Asko.
And all to think in 1929 Messres Wilkins & Mitchell couldnt deceide whether to make a lawnmower or washer, the washer won when they saw their wives & friends enthuise over it.
Hugh, the later quartz is mine along with the 308 & dryer they replaced.Dont yet have a 600 series.
Has anyone ever seen the replacement drum for the Spincare, the V shaped "Chevron" drum?? this was used in later machines including the washer dryer...
They must have been good if you think Hitachi risked their reputation breaking into the UK white Goods market when Servis made their first machines...I passed up a Hitachi 1300 Washer Dryer a few months ago, am kicking myself now!!
Hi Jon
It has two lots of vanes in the spincare drum, one at the front as well...
These servis machines from the MK72, 300 & all later series where the only machines where you can take the outer cabinet off and the drum & supports stand on the rigid metal base.
The only other manufacturer I think to do that was Asko.
And all to think in 1929 Messres Wilkins & Mitchell couldnt deceide whether to make a lawnmower or washer, the washer won when they saw their wives & friends enthuise over it.
Hugh, the later quartz is mine along with the 308 & dryer they replaced.Dont yet have a 600 series.
Has anyone ever seen the replacement drum for the Spincare, the V shaped "Chevron" drum?? this was used in later machines including the washer dryer...
They must have been good if you think Hitachi risked their reputation breaking into the UK white Goods market when Servis made their first machines...I passed up a Hitachi 1300 Washer Dryer a few months ago, am kicking myself now!!
Spin Speeds
1971 - First Hotpoint MK1600 F/L 1100 rpm *****
1972 - First Philips Top Load Drum 1000spin
1976 - First Miele UK 1000spin
1978 - First Hoover 1100 spin
1983 - First Servis 1000 spin
Nick,
There was a cross over with Hoover & Servis on some of their scourced motors, hence the "Sounds Similar" but nothing else.
WE forget it was Hotpoint with the big 25inch wide front loader with timeline controls that was ahead of the crowd with the fastest spin on the market AT 100RPM, ( along with the toploader as well)
Also the Philips HN3109 UK Made, 1000rpm Double Bearing,Top Load, right to left action, not front to back which was later.
Wow, laundry history...
1971 - First Hotpoint MK1600 F/L 1100 rpm *****
1972 - First Philips Top Load Drum 1000spin
1976 - First Miele UK 1000spin
1978 - First Hoover 1100 spin
1983 - First Servis 1000 spin
Nick,
There was a cross over with Hoover & Servis on some of their scourced motors, hence the "Sounds Similar" but nothing else.
WE forget it was Hotpoint with the big 25inch wide front loader with timeline controls that was ahead of the crowd with the fastest spin on the market AT 100RPM, ( along with the toploader as well)
Also the Philips HN3109 UK Made, 1000rpm Double Bearing,Top Load, right to left action, not front to back which was later.
Wow, laundry history...
Hoover 1100rpm spin
Mike,
My nana's Hoover Electronic 1100 had an 1100rpm spin and that dated from when she moved into her house, which was 1972, so Hoover must have had an 1100rpm spin even as far back as then.
When did Hotpoint introduce frontloaders to the UK market? My great grandad has a 1960s-era English Electric washer and dryer in the corner of his utility room (although they both sit unused, with a Hoover Soft Wave washer and a 90s Hotpoint dryer being his laundry machines) - apparently these were the first automatic washers in his village and people would go round his house just to do laundry! Anyway - were English Electric their own company back then, or were they Hotpoint machines underneath? My great grandad's machine has a long tube type display, which was a progamme guide. It had a little wheel on the side to move the wheel up and down and told you all the different programme selections!
Take care,
Jon
Mike,
My nana's Hoover Electronic 1100 had an 1100rpm spin and that dated from when she moved into her house, which was 1972, so Hoover must have had an 1100rpm spin even as far back as then.
When did Hotpoint introduce frontloaders to the UK market? My great grandad has a 1960s-era English Electric washer and dryer in the corner of his utility room (although they both sit unused, with a Hoover Soft Wave washer and a 90s Hotpoint dryer being his laundry machines) - apparently these were the first automatic washers in his village and people would go round his house just to do laundry! Anyway - were English Electric their own company back then, or were they Hotpoint machines underneath? My great grandad's machine has a long tube type display, which was a progamme guide. It had a little wheel on the side to move the wheel up and down and told you all the different programme selections!
Take care,
Jon
spiraclean
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Chevron Multi Hole Drums
Hi Mike,
Yes I have seen the chevron drum in a Slimline Electronic Plus 1000 it’s the timer controlled variant of your Quartz Plus. I am not at all surprised by Hitachi choosing that design for their entry to the UK washer market, the machine I mention above used the same mechanics as the Hitachi models and that particular Servis machine was used in a nursing home; it coped with all the washing and bed linens of 30 elderly residents for seven years. I was called to the machine occasionally to replace a few sets of motor brushes and I had to change the door seal once, it was still in perfect working order when they finally replaced it with a pair Whirlpool Top Loaders so it was a very reliable machine indeed.
I am surprised that your later full door Quartz Plus is not fitted with the chevron drum most of that series both Quartz Plus and Slimline Electronic Plus models were fitted with the chevron drums.
The Rigid steel chassis of the Servis machines was extremely strong and all tub suspension components were mounted directly on the chassis, the only upper mount was the nylon fabric check strap on the top of the tub unit and all it done was prevent the tub from being pushed back when loading the drum.
I would love to have my Quartz tested for wash performance I am sure it would easily achieve an A grade wash. They were great machines and I am proud to have this true British classic in my collection.
All the best.
Hugh
Hi Mike,
Yes I have seen the chevron drum in a Slimline Electronic Plus 1000 it’s the timer controlled variant of your Quartz Plus. I am not at all surprised by Hitachi choosing that design for their entry to the UK washer market, the machine I mention above used the same mechanics as the Hitachi models and that particular Servis machine was used in a nursing home; it coped with all the washing and bed linens of 30 elderly residents for seven years. I was called to the machine occasionally to replace a few sets of motor brushes and I had to change the door seal once, it was still in perfect working order when they finally replaced it with a pair Whirlpool Top Loaders so it was a very reliable machine indeed.
I am surprised that your later full door Quartz Plus is not fitted with the chevron drum most of that series both Quartz Plus and Slimline Electronic Plus models were fitted with the chevron drums.
The Rigid steel chassis of the Servis machines was extremely strong and all tub suspension components were mounted directly on the chassis, the only upper mount was the nylon fabric check strap on the top of the tub unit and all it done was prevent the tub from being pushed back when loading the drum.
I would love to have my Quartz tested for wash performance I am sure it would easily achieve an A grade wash. They were great machines and I am proud to have this true British classic in my collection.
All the best.
Hugh
Mike
The Hoover Keymatic (slope front) also has a steel frame, you can remove the back and top/side panels and it can wash naked.
My 12 volt converted one worked that way for about a year. I converted the mechanical side of it but not the timer, instead it had two clockwork timers on top, one for wash and one for spin, plus a switch to select fill temperature. They were on top of the frame so it was impossible to refit the panels. Yes I am completely barmy but it worked and was very entertaining to watch, especially watching the drum dance about on spin.
Also my GEC (Hotpoint) purple door FL from the UK - you can remove the back panel and the one piece top/side panel, the drum supports on the two struts, though the front panel is a bit floppy and the inlet valves will be dangling by the hoses...
Chris.
The Hoover Keymatic (slope front) also has a steel frame, you can remove the back and top/side panels and it can wash naked.
My 12 volt converted one worked that way for about a year. I converted the mechanical side of it but not the timer, instead it had two clockwork timers on top, one for wash and one for spin, plus a switch to select fill temperature. They were on top of the frame so it was impossible to refit the panels. Yes I am completely barmy but it worked and was very entertaining to watch, especially watching the drum dance about on spin.
Also my GEC (Hotpoint) purple door FL from the UK - you can remove the back panel and the one piece top/side panel, the drum supports on the two struts, though the front panel is a bit floppy and the inlet valves will be dangling by the hoses...
Chris.
First Hotpoint Front Loader
Hi Jon
Hotpoints first entry into the UK front loader market was 1970, (not 71 as previous said)this had the 1100rpm spin, which was unusually fast for the time.
Do you think you nans machine could have been this one because Hoover where all still 740 rpm until Feb 77 with the introduction of the "Electronic 800" the A3058, and then the A3060 1100rpm in 1978.This Hotpoint does look like the later Hoover models as well with the square raised door etc..
Hi Jon
Hotpoints first entry into the UK front loader market was 1970, (not 71 as previous said)this had the 1100rpm spin, which was unusually fast for the time.
Do you think you nans machine could have been this one because Hoover where all still 740 rpm until Feb 77 with the introduction of the "Electronic 800" the A3058, and then the A3060 1100rpm in 1978.This Hotpoint does look like the later Hoover models as well with the square raised door etc..
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Wow, is this the Which test? Thanks for posting Mike; that English Electric machine caught my eye...bears a striking resemblance to the late-60's Westinghouse FL with the side-swing door!! What's the year here?
Darren, congratulations! Those Servis machines sure look cool with the near-solid drum! I think you still need to keep the square-door Hoover though...or give it to Jon!
Darren, congratulations! Those Servis machines sure look cool with the near-solid drum! I think you still need to keep the square-door Hoover though...or give it to Jon!
My Nana's Hoover
Hi Mike,
My nana's Hoover was one of those that had the slider next to the door to release it, and had a a timer with one cycle and the 3 buttons to select the cycle. It was 1100rpm - so my nana could be wrong after all in terms of the date. She said she got the Hoover when she moved into her house in 1972, but who knows... Anyway, here's a pic off Ebay of the same washer she had. I guess you can identify the year from that?
Take care!
Jon
Hi Mike,
My nana's Hoover was one of those that had the slider next to the door to release it, and had a a timer with one cycle and the 3 buttons to select the cycle. It was 1100rpm - so my nana could be wrong after all in terms of the date. She said she got the Hoover when she moved into her house in 1972, but who knows... Anyway, here's a pic off Ebay of the same washer she had. I guess you can identify the year from that?
Take care!
Jon
Which!!
Austin
This report is the Which Consumer Report of 1970, this machine was the same as the Westinghouse models and am still trying to find a link etc..I think certain manufacturers had ties with each other so not having to re-invent the wheel, as in the GE/ UK Hotpoint FilterFlow machines etc.
Jon
The Hoover is the A3060, the new 1100rpm machine, so it was from 1978, I think its quite a classic with its greeny/black bezel, and was probably the most sought after machine of its time, the last Keymatic with 1100rpm was based on this machine, which was the A3062.
Austin
This report is the Which Consumer Report of 1970, this machine was the same as the Westinghouse models and am still trying to find a link etc..I think certain manufacturers had ties with each other so not having to re-invent the wheel, as in the GE/ UK Hotpoint FilterFlow machines etc.
Jon
The Hoover is the A3060, the new 1100rpm machine, so it was from 1978, I think its quite a classic with its greeny/black bezel, and was probably the most sought after machine of its time, the last Keymatic with 1100rpm was based on this machine, which was the A3062.
newwave1
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Time for an update!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell. my brother agreed being the great brother that he is, that he would pick the servis up with me & take it home. So i went to the place..."great its still there" i hadnt seen it close up...it looked pretty good! Then i look at the badge,which had been rebadged "electra", "thats fine i still know its a servis",,but "wheres the price?" So i ask some random hillybilly guy that works in the place how much..
& the fool tells me "its knackered!" also termanology for "broken;no longer working due to fault!" aha! & this half wit didnt tel me what was wrong with it..i didnt take it. i could've fixed it maybe...but i was hoping for a working model to start me off.
well now i can afford to be piccy, im hoping to get a model that has the whole panel for the door like in the pic mike kindly posted. i will be puttin ads on ebay & in the local Ad-mag. hopefully i'll get what im looking for!
spiraclean-thank you for that info! im particularly interested in the fact the distributions a bit quicker than average! im pleased to hear the waterlevels r high too.im afraid i'll b fairly uneconomical with water as i am now as i like thorough rinsing! dont let the waterboard hear me say that!!!! I should remember these machines as my mums best friend had them & i used to watch them endlessly but unfortunately now my 19th birthday has come & past the memory fails me slightly as i've seen so many machines in my existance! i also like the sound of that soak program! similar to the soak on my AEG! v good!
does anyone know what getting parts are like for these now?
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell. my brother agreed being the great brother that he is, that he would pick the servis up with me & take it home. So i went to the place..."great its still there" i hadnt seen it close up...it looked pretty good! Then i look at the badge,which had been rebadged "electra", "thats fine i still know its a servis",,but "wheres the price?" So i ask some random hillybilly guy that works in the place how much..
& the fool tells me "its knackered!" also termanology for "broken;no longer working due to fault!" aha! & this half wit didnt tel me what was wrong with it..i didnt take it. i could've fixed it maybe...but i was hoping for a working model to start me off.
well now i can afford to be piccy, im hoping to get a model that has the whole panel for the door like in the pic mike kindly posted. i will be puttin ads on ebay & in the local Ad-mag. hopefully i'll get what im looking for!
spiraclean-thank you for that info! im particularly interested in the fact the distributions a bit quicker than average! im pleased to hear the waterlevels r high too.im afraid i'll b fairly uneconomical with water as i am now as i like thorough rinsing! dont let the waterboard hear me say that!!!! I should remember these machines as my mums best friend had them & i used to watch them endlessly but unfortunately now my 19th birthday has come & past the memory fails me slightly as i've seen so many machines in my existance! i also like the sound of that soak program! similar to the soak on my AEG! v good!
does anyone know what getting parts are like for these now?
*D*
newwave1
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does anyone have any more servis pics they could share?
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