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Before I watch the video about RCA Whirlpool, how do I put the detergent (is that right inside of the drum [cylinder] and softner?)

How long do the front-load Whirlpool Washer Combination about

Begin Wash -
Spin (low) (from Wash) -
Rinse -
Spin (high)-
Tumble -
Dry -
 
Hi Peter,
I am from the UK so I am not familiar with the vintage RCA Whirlpool combo. Personally with front loaders I prefer to add the detergent directly to the drum on top of the laundry, this prevents detergent loss into the sump area of older machines, and it also keeps the detergent dispenser from clogging up with powder deposits.

All the best.
Hugh
 
Re: Welcome Peter:

Hi! Peter, Welcome to the wonderful Appliance Club Site. You will no doubt as you have already enjoy reading and sharing on Thread Postings and learning more and more about Vintage and not quite so Vintage Appliances. You will also meet a lot of great people from all over the World here.

Now, as for you inqiury about the Whirlpool Combo length of time for Wash/Dry. I've got an Electric 1965 Lady Kenmore Combo Washer/Dryer, that I haven't used for a while now, but from what I remember, it naturally depending on the size of a Load and the Weight of the items, it can take up to around 2-1/2 to 3-1/2 Hours total. It will also depend on the Spin Speed of the Combo Unit, allowing for the amount Water left in the Laundry to be Dried.

Take care and Happy Vintage Laundry Days, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...
 
Peter, if it is one of the BIG 33 inch wide combos, the detergent went into the drum with the clothes. Fabric softener, diluted with hot water was added during the last rinse through the little dispenser under the door where the dryer lint screen was located. Bleach could also be added during the wash via this dispenser.

If you are asking about the 29 inch wide combo with the dispensers on the top, powder or liquid detergent was added through the detergent dispenser. Water circulated through it during wash and all of the rinses. Tablet detergents were loaded in the drum with the laundry. Bleach and diluted fabric softener went into their labeled dispensers to be automatically dispensed; the bleach in the last 4 inutes of wash and the softener during the fill for the 3rd rinse.

The 29 inch combo, with a 10 minute wash took 35 minutes for the wash/rinse/spin portion of the cycle. Drying varied. A load of Permapress shirts could be dry in 35 minutes, or at least far enough into the cooldown that you could begin removing them to put on hangers. The thing about the dry time on the Lady Kenmore combo is that it offered a thermostatically controlled cool down in the dry cycle. All of that heavy drum and outer tub really held the heat, to say nothing of the two 2800 Watt fat Calrod-type dryer heaters which ran red/orange hot the whole drying time until the auto dry control was satisfied and over which 90% of the air was pulled. Without the thermal cool down, it took five minutes from the point at which the heat shut off for the dryer to stop. With a heavy load, the thermal cooldown could go on for 20 minutes or more which grossly exaggerated the admittedly long dry time for loads of any weight spun at the top speed, on a good day, of 400 rpm. On the other hand, if you skipped even the 5 minute cool down, you could start another load immediately and have a warm wash with a cold fill, a hot wash with a warm fill or a really hot wash with a hot fill by using the heat stored in the in the hot drum and outer tub.
 
Tom, I've never heard that about the 29" combos and stored heat. It sounds awesome for super-hot washes! Were either of the heaters used for water heating in any way? I have to stop, I told John the other night I may have to have one... Oh well, what's one more??
 
RCA Whirlpool Combination's Automatic Shut Off

Is RCA Whirlpool Washer Combination Automatic shut-off from the dryer clothes (timer control)??
 
Yay for the vintage Combo's!

I have always loved the Kenmore and Whirlpool combo's!
Your detailed observations Tom, makes me like them even more!
Tom, do you have a working LK or Whirlpool combo?
Greg, I think that you should go for one! I am actually suprised that you, nor Robert, do not have one!
Greg, I think that this would almost make your combo collection complete as far as brands go.
I wonder if anyone will every find a Easy, or Hotpoint, or Speed Queen combo in good shape.
I actually need to stop myself from saying that because we also said that about the Maytag Combo, and the Westinghouse Combo. And you have two beautiful working models of those.
BRING BACK THE COMBO'S!
Brent
 
Show me about the RCA Whirlpool Washer Combination

We'll show me about the RCA Whirlpool Washer Combination. OK.

How's the dryer's temp about?
 
Greg first:
When the 29" combos were first introduced under both the Kenmore and WP names, they did not have a lint screen on top for the dryer. They had an access panel in one of the perforated sections of the drum and in the intake sump at the bottom of the outer tub, there was a lift out filter that had openings around the edge. The dryer's air stream passed through a centrifugal separator like in Kenmore lint storage dryers, Whirlpool dishwashers with the Power Clean soil separator and the failed WP dryers with the lint storage system that, because it had 100 in the name, made people think that it would store 100 dryer loads' worth of lint. Anyway this particular combo had a tranny that ran the pump and belt for the blower all of the time AND SPUN at 500 rpm. Also in the air stream was a damper that either exhausted most all of the air during dry or allowed only a small part of the air to be vented and most of the heated air to recirculate back into the outer tub. If the machine was in the wash portion of the cycle and the water was not hot enough, the dryer heater came on and blew hot air in to heat the water in an indirect way. The portion of vented air was sufficient to carry off the products of combusion in the gas model. This was on both the TOL gas and electric models. When the dry portion of the cycle started, the damper opened to allow most of the air to blow out of the dryer except for the small amount that was spinning the centrifugal separator and was returned to the machine.

If you remember, the 29 inch combo starts each wash cycle with a one minute purge. Today it flushes lint from the blower. In the original 29" combo, this was how the lint that was caught in the separator was flushed out and sent down the drain. In theory it was almost magic. In real life there is no magic and trouble happened when large amounts of lint from drying linty loads were washed down into the sump and clogged the strainer or when linty loads were washed and this filter for the wash stream got clogged. There was no alternative to lifting the heavy, wet clothes out of the machine, opening the access panel in the drum and removing the strainer to clean the clog. Customers were not happy with this. WP had to come up with the mother of all retro-fittings. They had to replace the top of the machine to accommodate an opening and lid to access the dryer lint screen. They had to redesign the blower housing to hold a dryer lint screen. They had to replace all of the transmissions with a tranny that had a solenoid operated shifter to alternate power between the pump and the blower and with the loss of the constantly powered blower, the water heating was no longer possible. They also had to provide the filter for the water system. All of this was done in the field and the undercounter installations that had been made possible by the original machine had to have the countertop removed. The other great loss in this was the 500rpm spin. It was dropped to 400rpm.

So, no; there was no longer a method of water heating; not the immersion element in the 33" wide electric combos, nor the gas burner sitting next to the U-shaped outer tank of the 33" wide gas models with blower running and damper restricting the airflow during the washes and rinses. The gas burner in the 33" combos had another unfortunate drawback. All of that intense heat right beside the dry tank during the long dry periods, even though the flame did not touch the tank, stressed the porcelain and when it started cracking, water got to the steel and the tanks rusted out.

I had an electric BOL WP 33" combo for a while. It was from the house of a friend who got a lot more help with school work from me than he would have if his mom did not usually have this thing running when I came over. When I got it to my basement and took the panels off, I noticed that where the hose for the bleach/softener dispenser terminated above the water line, there were holes rusted through the porcelain tank. I went to the hardware store, got scraps of glass and bought two part epoxy to patch the holes. The Whirlpool service tech who helped me with my combo had worked for Sears when these big beasts were new. He saw my patches and said it had never entered his mind that the tanks could be patched. When they had to take back these machines because customers were not happy with them, they pounded holes through the outer tanks with ice picks, rendering them useless to people who went through the place where they dumped machines. Imagine-- people going through junked appliances! It would be 11 or 12 years before I was doing that. I guess that it is easier to destroy them when you have had to work on them in tight quarters and had to listen to irate owners and were able to see from the get-go that they had serious design flaws.
 
Very interesting, Tom, thanks for the history lesson on the 29" combos! That certainly was quite a job retrofitting the early models, I can imagine the poor old laides sitting outside on the balcony so as to not have their delicate ears assaulted with the language coming from the laundry closet in the 32 inch wide hallway where the machine was installed - behind a sliding door.

You mentioned undercounter installations, was this possible with the early models? I have no experience seeing them run, working on them or the models and changes through the years. The only service info I have is on the 33" 1957 version, and that is quite limited.
 
Thanks Tom------

How interesting. I remember Bendix combo's when I was young but never remember those huge Whirly's as Whirlpool was not often found around Atlanta in the early days of automatics.Kenmore was popular and I must have completely ignored the Kenmore versions at the Sears store, to watch the latest "Lady" swirl around the poker chips!

By the time I started to pay them attention they had gone to the recirculating spray type wash action. When visiting John Eichinger, it was really interesting to watch his LK Combo in action. I think that was the first time I actually watched an LK combo go through a complete cycle.

Any time you have more history stories about these machines I'm all ears!
 
Peter's answers:
Peter, I do not know of any 29" Kenmore combos that did not have auto dry termination of the dry cycle. There was only one timer and dry was the last part of the complete cycle. The cycle could be set to stop before drying by choosing WASH ONLY. When the dryer air reached the temperature that indicated that the load was dry, the timer advanced two increments and then shut off the heat. If you opened the door of the electric drying combo during dry and then restarted it, the timer dial advanced one increment immediately on restarting because the safety high limit thermostat above the heater would have tripped without air movement over the red hot heaters. Having two increments before the machine went into cool down allowed for an interruption in the cycle without causing the timer to begin advancing and terminating the drying with still damp clothes. I have seen service literature about 29" Whirlpool combos that showed some models with separate wash and dry timer dials and they might have offered timed dry, but I do not remember. The only 29" WP combo I ever saw was the Ultimatic which only had one timer dial and rows of buttons to operate the lock-stop start positions on the timer like the Lady Kenmore.

I do not remember the exhaust air temperature of my electric combo. It had a very short vent run and I remember taking readings once, but it was a very long time ago. It was under 200F for a load of cottons.

The Kenmore and Whirlpool combos did not reverse the tumble directions. It was clockwise in the 29" and counterclockwise in the 33".

Brent:
I had the 33" I described. I had a 29" that John, Jeff and I rebuilt for my townhouse in 1982. It worked a long time, but I pulled it out when I had a new floor put in about a year before selling the place. We tried to get it going earlier this year, but it has problems. John's 29" gas LK is the only one I know of that is operational locally. I think that Bendixboy in Minneapolis-St.Paul has an electric one that works. We even had a machinest who could duplicate the rear bearing for them, but the tranny is the main thing that keeps them down. The air pump that runs on a part of the tranny stops pumping air. Without air to drive the clutches, it won't shift into even the low speed spin. We tried soaking the diaphragm in brake fluid and for a brief time, mine worked, but soon should have been standing there beside Bob Dole in his famous commercial.

I hope that in Heaven all of these widly fascinating combos work perfectly, but these old ones are so inefficient. Bendix tied up so many patents and made anyone who manufactured a combo pay them a royalty for each one sold that they were doomed from the start. What Whirlpool did to engineer around the Bendix patents is remarkable. That balancing system with the three tanks and the way the water was shot into the tank opposite the heavy side of the drum was mechanical genius, but it still was very poor at extraction and not very good at rinsing either. The rotating tanks blocked half of the tub area where the heated air for the drying entered so a lot of the air did not even hit the clothes, let alone pass through them. They are so inefficient that it is a shame to use them for more than party demonstrations. I usually tried to spin loads in a toploader before letting them dry in my Lady Kenmore Combo.
 
Steve, All of the WP made combos used the Filter Stream washing action EXCEPT for the bol 29" Kenmore. That one filled up to just below the door and the tumbling clothes made lots of water action. It could really tangle clothes. The weird thing was that it had the same water recirculation system for balancing the tub for the spin, but did not have the Wash Stream. Good old Sears. The first Kenmore combos were not that great for watching. One of the original models did not even have a window, and those small rectangular windows were not the best for viewing the Laundry Channel's soap operas. In the early 70s a Westinghouse laundry and drycleaning center opened in that group of shops on Piedmont, south of Ansley Mall, just beyond the Awful Waffle. They had those Westinghouse dry cleaners based on the combo and it was amazing to see again how slow those things spun. A childless couple across the street from us when I was in elementary school had the WH combo with the black and gold knobs (?) and it seemed to take forever to dry clothes.
 
Tom,
Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!
Even though most of these machines were prone to failure, the way you talk about them in detail, would make them fun to watch.
I have seen John's gas combo. And I just love it.
Jimmy "FilterFlo" also has an electric version that works very well.
I agree with you. They danced around Bendix's patent, and really were marvels as far as design went.
John in DC told me of a few women that still call him to service their LK combo's.
Greg! Get one!
Brent
 

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