Recent DDD's: Overloaded Hotpoint, The Oracle Thor, Puzzling Kenmore Dishwasher

[mickeyd]

The Hotpoint DDD suggested a sample load that would choke a horse. It reminded me of the stain test load for a Kenmore In a POD. Who would ever put that much laundry into a machine? UMMMMM......my father. :'D. I'll give the load contents later. However, it was a brochure not an operator's manual, so they're allowed more liberty with the truth. But the Thor doctrine WAS a user manual.

A few days later, the Thor DDD directed the user to actually weigh off the loads in 8 pound batches, and basically to stuff the machine. We were cautioned that the machine would not operate the way we were accustomed to. That the clothes would come up from the center and move outward.

Does this sound like the nutation of the currently made Wash-plate models?. Some said that seeing nutation made them queasy. I kinda thought it looked like a tulip blossoming. If you look at the Thor agitator, you can see how it is almost a prototype of the nutator.

This is exactly what Gary and Mike were talking about in one of the available links that popped up when Darren linked Mike's Wash-in in Brad's Wringer Thread. Maybe Mike will follow the manual's directions to achieve nutation, and show us this precursor of what was to come.

Then almost comically, the Magic Thor washes and rinses dishes in QUARTS of water, also like the new DW's do. Was Thor a Sphinx or an Oracle ;'D How freaky! Nutation and Tea-Pot Water. Is there really nothing new under the sun?[this post was last edited: 6/20/2012-13:27]

 

[mickeyd]

And the Kenmore DW--well

I'll need a few experts to unravel this : the puzzle is the difference between the Rinse-Hold and the Light Cycle. And what the heck is going on in the Rinse-Hold?

Quoting directly from the doctrine:

Rinse and Hold:

ACTION; (Pre-rinse) 2 rinses, (Pre-wash) 1 wash 1 rinse, No dry

Light Wash:

ACTION: Rinse, Wash, 2 Rinses, Dry.

That's a lot of stuff going on in the Rinse & Hold. I'm a total novice when it comes to DW's, but I imagine using the Rinse and Hold for a light load of summer dishes, air drying and manipulating the Detergent addition to get two rinses.

Any one have any insights as to why the R&H is so intense?

 

[mickeyd]

Here is what the Hotpoint Silhouette 15 says is a typical 15

3 sheets

2 tablecloths

4 men's shirts

6 bath towels

4 men's t-shirts

4 pillow cases

7 men's shorts

8 wash cloths

6 hankies

For me the towels and wash cloths would be a full load and Yeah!....I'd throw in the hankies. Even my Dad would not put all that into one load. Well........maybe if nobody was home to catch him. RIP, Patrick! Fun to think about you today. You'd love these stuffers. Hey, maybe you're the only one who read the pre-DDD booklets.

 

[westingman123]

Big load, yes...

but bear in mind, the sheets and towels of that era were MUCH smaller than they are today. A double bed was considered large (didn't they call it "matrimonial" in the 40's?), and bath towels were not much larger than the hand towels of today.

Still, seems like a lot in one load. Handkerchiefs! The first thing Mama started us out ironing--those, boxer shorts, and pillow cases. OY!

 

[arbilab]

Was that the Thor with the fingers cast into the...... the, um...... thingy in the middle...... wobbulator? Grandma had one. Not only did it wobbulate, it also switched directions periodically with a loud mechanical BANG. I dubbed it the "bang washer". I was about 5. If you figure out how they did that, let us know what made the BANG.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Was that the Thor with the fingers cast into the...... the, um...... thingy in the middle...... wobbulator?
No in the Thor Doctrine from last week it was the Automagic model with a standard back and forth agitator. It is interesting that you bring that wobble plate wringer washer up though because I'm currently scanning Thor wringer washer Doctrine that will be going into the Dispenser soon and it has a picture of that model in it.

Mike, my 1965 Lady Kenmore Roto-rack DW has that nearly the same cycle for Rinse and Hold. I never use it because it is a waste in my opinon, the dishes are practically washed after all those water changes just for rinse and hold.

 

[turquoisedude]

Hmmmm... Hope this is not highjacking the thread, but I was curious about the Kenmore Dishwasher cycling, too.

 

That avocado near-mint LK roto-rack (which may actually be a 1966 model) has no Rinse and Hold, but when I was testing I observed the following:

 

Normal and 150-degree Wash:   W R R W R R D

Light Wash:   W R R  no dry (the timer advanced to the end of cycle after the 2nd rinse)

Short Wash:   W R R D (the timer advanced past the first W R R and the machine started at the 2nd Wash)

 

Is this right or is there something funny with the timer??

 

 

 

[mickeyd]

The Thor people actually say

"You may, when observing the clothes in this washer, form the MISTAKEN OPINION"--Who--us ?? lol--" that it is overloaded when loaded according to the above directions, (weighed 8 pound batches).....Instead of freely floating, the clothes are relatively densely packed.....you will note that the clothes start to turn over, coming up at the center and moving outward across the top, disappearing at the tub wall."

There is much more and very satisfying detail about this process. I had to leave a lot out. The agitator has 6 slim blades, starting at the top, down the column, and out to the end of the plate. No protrusion of fins. One oddity is that this method of loading prevents the clothes from tangling around the agitator.

And they tell you to deep rinse for 4 minutes and ONLY THEN begin the overflow for another 4 minutes.

This Doctrine made me salivate, and there are pages and pages of 1949 style laundry rhetoric.

 

[appnut]

ACTION; (Pre-rinse) 2 rinses, (Pre-wash) 1 wash 1 rinse, No

Rinse & Hold on that roto rack on the surface appears to be confusing. But it's actually saying IF you chose not to put detergent in the open cup, it's pre-rinsing the load, then it's two pre-rinses. But if you do put detergent in the open cup (for heavy soil), then it's actually a pre-wash with 1 wash and 1 rinse. The timer stops after those two water changes and there is no dry cycle period. Your typing above didn't completely reproduce the text as it's laid out in the booklet and the way the text is arranged in the booklet makes it far clearer.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Hmmmmm, I could have sworn that the rinse and hold cycle in my '65 Lady Kenmore was more than two water changes Bob, but I only tried it once as we're not a rinse and hold household. Maybe I'm not remembering it properly, I'll have to try it again. I generally don't use the R&H cycle as I don't like the idea of leaving the interior of a vintage dishwasher wet for a day or two.

 

[mickeyd]

HI Bob

My quote is word for word. I omitted the detergent directions which are separate from the "ACTION" because it only added to my confusion. Let me get the soap orders out and see of it makes more sense. I'm glad you're here. You were always the King of cycle knowledge. Maybe if I re-read your post and study the directions, I'll understand. But right now, I remain mystified.

 

WAIT WAIT WAIT. Halleluia, Jesus! I just got it: It's 2 water changes not 4! The cycle is EITHER a pre-rinse, or an R&H. Had they written "OR" between R&H and P.Rinse, I may have understood it. If you read it the way it is, it looks exactly like what Robert and I thought it was : 4 water changes.

 

Future trouble: I'm slow on the keyboard and the DDD doesn't allow cutting and pasting, so typing a ton of it, going back and forth, is more trouble than it's worth........Unless there is a way to cut and paste the DDD and I haven't learned it. Is there?