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Thanks for giving more details guys. I really appreciate the input, as I know nothing about any of them. I'm guessing she'll go with the WP TL's because she's got that "I shop at Sears" thing going from back in the day.
 
She pulled the trigger......

......on a set of GE's. LOL, you can lead a horse to water...

Thanks for all the help anyway. Sheesh.
 
Speed Queen

I bought a SQ Top load and matching dryer literally as they were being placed on the showroom floor during their re-introduction over five years ago.
Reason: I wanted something durable and simple to use as my partner was used to the laundromat in the condo. I also told the salesman that I wanted a washer that would never go off-balance during spin (unlike the 1998 Maytag I had at the old house). Salesman said that the Speed Queen would not go off balance. He was right. The Speed Queen never went off-balance during spin except once when I stupidly put a heavy robe in there to wash and nothing else. User error!
So with no bells and whistles, they have kept our clothes clean without a hitch since we bought them in 2005. My next washer or dryer will be a Speed Queen again - no questions asked. I might go for a FL though... not sure..
 
It'll be interesting to see how the GE's last...

...she's very easy on stuff, so they'll either last her 20 years, or grenade in the next 18mos.
 
Gee, if she consulted with you only a little bit you'd think GE would have been off her list completely.

I am not optimistic, no matter how well she may care for her new machines.

SQ seems to be the way to for for TL's these days. Even my belt-eating Raytheon Amana spun first time every time and never had an unbalanced load. Quite the opposite of my Affinity that can't balance its way out of a paper bag.
 
Swiss machines

Hi Deedub
have you the results of the latest Choice dishwasher tests? Apparently, the VZug Adora SL dishwasher is much louder (and not as energy-efficient) as claimed by the manufacturer. Are those Choice tests at all reliable???
 
Grenaded in less than 2 weeks.....LOL!

Well, the washer has already failed so completely that the appliance store that she purchased it from can't repair it, has picked it up and given her a loaner, and ordered a new machine.

She had some appliance place come install her new Kitchenaid dishwasher and as part of that install, they turned off the power to the KA and that apparently also turned off the power to the laundry machines...which weren't running at the time.

Anyway, after that the washer wouldn't fire up and apparently the circuit board is dead.
 
Are those Choice tests at all reliable???

In a word...Yes.

Noise as such can be subjective in that certain noises 'loud' may not sound it to certain ears, whilst others will....take classical music and heavy metal....play both at the same dB reading and you will get people saying one is louder than the other....

BUT, from a scientific point of view, Choice will measure the noise made as a dB reading at the same distance and under the same test conditions for each machine...

Soooo....here is their testing method for dishwashers...

Overall score

CHOICE testing indicates that more dishwashers are sacrificing good washing and drying performance for better energy and water efficiency. So, to bring the spotlight back to the basic function of a dishwasher – washing dishes clean – we’ve revised our rating scale, and increased the soil removal weighting.

The overall score is a combination of the washing, drying, energy and water efficiency scores for the ‘normal’ or 'sensor' wash program weighted as follows:

Washing performance: 55%
Water efficiency: 15%
Drying performance: 15%
Energy efficiency: 15%
Washing score
We assessed how well the machines could remove food such as spinach, egg yolk, baby cereal, butter, and tea stains that had been dried on overnight, and without being rinsed first. This is based on the current Australian standard.

Drying score
This score reflects how dry the dishes were 30 minutes after the ‘normal’ cycle finished. During that time the doors were left closed.

Energy usage / score
This is based on the amount of energy used by the dishwasher on the tested program. The less energy used, the higher the score.

Water usage /score
This is based on the amount of water used per place setting by the dishwasher on the tested program. The less water used per place setting, the higher the score.

Note: The energy and water usage may differ from those given on the energy label because we often use a different program for our tests. In a recent CHOICE survey, members told us they mostly use the "normal" or "auto" program, so this is what we use for our tests.

Running costs

This is an estimate of how much it’ll cost you over 10 years (the average life of a dishwasher) for water and electricity if you wash one full load every day using a ‘normal’ cycle. The calculations are based on 17 cents per kWh for electricity and $1 per 1000 L for water.

For simplicity, we’ve excluded depreciation and any interest costs, as well as the cost of detergent – people use different amounts and the price varies considerably between brands.

Noise level

These are the maximum noise levels recorded during the normal program, measured 1 m away from the machine and 1 m above the ground. You’d be aware of all these dishwashers in the background.
 
Choice

I try to avoid it, except for the basic info they can provide.
Not so long ago they recommended a certain dishwasher that was soon after recalled due to it's remarkable ability to burst into flames. Certainly they can test for certain things, but if your sole priority is energy/water consumption and a strict dB rating, then I doubt you would be purchasing what I consider to be the best "dishwasher".
Back to the question though, was the Zug tested by Choice in Australia or elsewhere?
David.
 
David,

According to the Choice website, they test here for both the Austalian and NZ markets....

I think you're being a tad unfair towards Choice to be honest. They have always held that they cannot test long term reliability but instead rely on feedback from the end user which they include as a seperate page on their tests. So it is hardly up to them to see into the future as to if a dishwasher is going to be recalled or not...

Additionally, I would kill to have a Zug washer, but in our market they are something of an unknown entity at a rather high price. Like many things though, it can be good to 'get in now' and get solid and reliable service out of a brand apparently known in its home land as top quality....

Are they actually better than a Miele of the same price? I have no idea. But Miele is at least a known brand and I can get service on a Miele almost anywhere in the country, including most rural areas should I require it....But only time will tell if Zug can compete and earn a slice of our market which is known to be notoriously tough.
 
grease or wax?????

In my experiences in retail and service on washers,I found that many times when these spots are found on the clothes they come from one of two sources other than the oil of the washer's trans.

1. The newfangled laundry detergents with "built in fabric softener" cause a serious build up of wax in between the inner and outer tubs.This eventually loosens and deposits onto the clothes. It looks like black tar or oil spots and can be easily removed using a bar of soap and rewashing the effected laundry.

2. Most consumers who use fabric softener do not dilute it as they should and it winds up leaving a severe residue in the agitator's dispenser cup and down the post. This build up will also leave black deposits on the clothes which can be removed the same way using a bar of soap.The downy ball is a good solution to that.

I do not recommend dryer sheets if you dry clothes in a dryer. it too leaves a wax deposit not on the clothes but on the lint screen.That can become a serious fire hazard because it blocks the air flow needed to allow the heat in the dryer to escape via the exhaust.Blocking the airflow causes the dryer to overheat an eventually catch on fire

Front loaders do not have this as an issue because the dispenser they have automatically dilutes the softener prior to its entering the tub.This flushes all of it through and cleans the line of water flow completely out.Some of the top loading machines i.e.GE Harmony, Kenmore Oasis, L.G.and Whirlpool Cabrio now have this feature in their dispensers.
 
Todd, I presume you are biting your tongue on this whole debacle, and I'm sure "I told you so" has coursed through your mind countless times.

I am still floored that out of all possible makes, she went with GE anyway. Let's hope she tells all of her friends to steer clear of GE. Even if the panel gets fixed and never fails again, the mechanical parts will take up the slack, I promise her.
 
Big case of...

...I don't know why I even bother.

She wouldn't listen to the advice of have the washer looked at because it might be a build up of gunk and not grease, so I don't know why I expected her to listen to the advice from you guys about SQ's or at least WP's.

She's not even getting the picture with this recent failure...she's making excuses about how it was the fault of the dishwasher installer who turned off the circuit breaker..............ya, right.
 
Unfortunately...

....there comes a time when we need to step back and let our folks make their own mistakes....just like they used to let us do when we were younger....

I maintain that my folks may give the impression of listening to me, but they certainly don't hear what I say very often. It seems that no matter how old we get, we'll always be a child to a greater or lesser degree in their eyes....
 
Hi Chris,

I'd say the reason the speed queen didnt do well on the dirt removal, is that Choice test at the rated capacity, which is 8kg. 20 years ago the same Kleenmaid branded speedqueens with the straight vane agitator were branded at 5.5kg, the Kleenmaids with the surgilator type agitator rated them at 7kg and now Speedqueen have rated then at 8kg.

If they are filling with water to the same level as in the US and stuffing an extra kilo in compared to 5 years ago, its no wonder they dont remove dirt well in the tests. I'm betting if they tested with a 7kg load the performance would improve dramatically.

The speed queens must be the only slow stroke machine left on the market here that doesnt have auto water level. All of the Simpsons, Westinghouses and F&P's all auto measure and still will fill to the top of the tub.

At least they fitted 8kg's into the Speedqueen, unlike when they could never stuff it into the LG Frontloaders :)
 

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