Recommend a modern/new washer & dryer please.

[ronhic]

At least they fitted 8kg's into the Speedqueen....

Agreed...

But then there are shoppers out there who will buy a machine on total capacity...some might call them 'size queens'...

I remember years ago, Choice tested machines (could have been Hoover top loaders) that were rated at 4.0kg, 5.0kg and 5.5kg...the larger the capacity, the dearer they were...only the drum size was the same on each.

Which do you think people bought?

Ultimately, knowing how Choice tests - at capacity - manufacturers seem only too willing to overstate the capacity in order to get a better water and power efficiency rating even though Mr and/or Ms average will never a)use the stated capacity and b)achieve the economy promised by the label.

.....and this applies equally to top and front load machines....though at least with a front load machine that is over-loaded, they are still gentle....

 

[rudin1969]

Choice and VZug

The VZug Adora SLQ is featured in the latest Choice Washing machine report. Only 59% for dirt removal!! But they used the short programme (around 75 minutes) designed for light soiling...

 

[deedub]

Choice test

Perhaps they should have only used lightly soiled clothes seeing as that's the wash cycle they chose. Suspect if they had run the full wash the result may have been different.
Next they will be trying to wash a full muddy load on a delicates cycle.
Someone should explain to choice why there are multiple wash options on modern washing machines.

 

[ronhic]

er....

....they've used a cold version of the programme that aligns to that used for the energy label.

Maybe one of you needs to contact them and suggest they re-run the test on a cold 'cottons' cycle rather than a 'coloureds' cycle....

But, much as I like the look of V-Zug and want them to be 'hewn from stone' quality wise, if that is what you get at full capacity, I'll stick to Electrolux, Fisher and Paykel, ASKO or Miele....and update...

I can almost get 5 Fisher and Paykel machines for one V-Zug...

 

[deedub]

soiling

you can adjust the level of soiling, regardless of the wash program or temperature. it increases the time (and I assume the consumption) but gets the job done. couple of the staff have them, will see how they go after a few weeks/months of washing.

 

[brisnat81]

The earlier 2000 series Miele's always rated highly and that was with the short wash as the default. Their secret is that you cant do a cold wash on the cottons cycle, which Choice mark them down for overall, but which counts in their favour when it comes to soil removal. I dont have a Choice membership anymore, but the 40min wash at 30deg's used to achieve a dirt removal score in the 80's from memory.

According to the Vzug manual the test cycle is coloureds 40deg, which runs for 74mins. If it will wash in cold on that cycle, Choice test it that way, maybe its the combination of cold water and stuffing 8kg's into a drum that isnt much different in volume than the 6.5kg Miele that brought it's score down?

They're such a nice looking machine, quite light compared to the miele's, but the fact that they make the Navitronic Miele look cheap is terrifying

For us to change Machines, they'd need to bring the 8kg 5000 series Miele to Australia that the UK gets. The 5.5kg machine just isnt quite big enough to do some things. If the 5000series made it here, I'd gift the current one onto a another family member and grab the 8kg machine in a flash.

 

[ronhic]

Now...

....I just wish that Choice would test the quick wash capability on machines based on the 'average' load of 4.5kg that people actually put in their machines...

If this had happened, I have no doubt that the Zug would have performed well, as would Bosch machines which are programmed for 'light' soiling for our market...

It is one thing for Choice to test at capacity given that this is often one of the deciding factors for the great unwashed to use as a purchase guide, but it is another to decide to use a programme other than that required for energy/water consumption ratings to perform the tests on....

Personally, I would like to see them test machines on reduced loads and use the quick or light soil options given this is how soooo many people wash.

 

[rapunzel]

though at least with a front load machine that is over-loade

...or they stop working altogether. Then it's fun and games getting the door open to remove the sopping wet clothes.

 

[ronhic]

I've never seen a front load machine that is overloaded stop because of that to be honest. Getting one overloaded is a challenge as most only JUST fit their stated capacity....

So I gather you've managed to do it Olav?

 

[rapunzel]

So I gather you've managed to do it Olav?

You bet I did. I stuffed a king sized doona into a standard 4.5 kilo machine. It was hard work getting it in and even harder work getting it out again.

 

[ronhic]

You bet I did. I stuffed a king sized doona into a standard

LOL...

Well serves you right....it had no place being in a machine that small....

 

[rapunzel]

Well serves you right....it had no place being in a machine

I was a determined kid and it was going to fit; no matter what.

 

[ronhic]

I was a determined kid and it was going to fit; no matter wh

LOL...

..and then it turned and bit you on the bum!

 

[rapunzel]

..and then it turned and bit you on the bum!

No, it was more like my machine saying "bite me, I ain't gonna work this hard for you - now you go to work and clean up this mess; and take that big ole' thing out NOW!" At the end of it all I was drenched. Luckily my parents weren't home at the time and I was able to hide my misdeed.

 

[ronhic]

Too funny....

 

[sudsmaster]

GE? Depends...

I hear the GE Harmony is a good set. Top loader and high efficiency as well. I seem to recall our Webmaster has a set.

Maytag Bravos would be my guess, as long as your Mom is willing to change her detergent choice over to an HE formula (also needed for the Harmony).

Although I don't care for LG as a brand, they do have a machine similar to the Harmony and Bravos that also features a built in water heater...

Personally I'd go for a front loader, though. Anything but LG and probably Affinity as well. My current faves are the big Mieles and the even bigger Electrolux models. But that's because I swing that way (right hand hinges rule).