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"Ironically millions admitting to it will make it known and generally acceepted that what/who one f---- does not make them a better or worse person."

This is exactly why Clooney is the perfect man to get the wheels turning.
 
Don't know that it's all that big of an issue.......

Most of the hype from and about GLBT seems focused on the radical activist types who are mad at the world including their fellow GLBTs. It is not nearly the issue with me that it used to be - there are two neighbors (guys) that live in one of the houses right beside us in our sub division and they are open about being gay and most everyone in the sub division knows it (and there are probably others in the sub division not out yet) and I can tell you that one of the reasons my position has changed is knowing these two guys. I will go to them for help before I would anyone else in the sub division and that's where I went to ask for assistance in getting the very heavy Westy Spacemate washer out of the truck earlier in the week - they were more than glad to assist and, I might add, quite fascinated about the vintage machines.

I can honestly say that I think that a person choosing this path should do so carefully and with much thought - it opens you up to alot of things that make life much more dificult and I still struggle with the thought myself of whether this type of lifestyle choice was ment to be from the natural standpoint. I also recognize that, just as with hetro couples, once you have been intimate with each other there is a bond there - love there and many can't wrap their minds around that concept with GLBT couples yet it very much exists. I know how I feel about my wife, how she feels about me - we have very strong bond and love for each other and I can't imagine that it's any different for a committed GLBT couple and it goes far beyond sex. Not to say that sex is not important.... oh no, it very much is but if that were/is the sole and only foundation for a relationship it's up in flames the first time things aren't what one or the other or both expect so there has to be more and it's that "more" part that makes the rest so enjoyable.

So yes I have my struggles with the issue but, if what I've experienced knowing the two guys living beside us, then I wonder what people really have to fear anyway. They have their bedroom and when that door is shut it's no one elses bussiness what goes on just the same as it is with me and my wife.

Well, as usual, I've practically written a book so I'm stopping this post here. Hope some of that makes sense - it's not always an easy life but that can be said for all of us regardless of relationship/lifestyle choices.
 
If I had a "choice", I probably would have chosen differently. Why would anyone choose to be harassed, beaten, berated, hated, discriminated against, disowned, bullied, laughed at, have property vandalized etc etc etc etc.
 
Randall, thank you for such a profound and compassionate thought and sharing of your own thoughts and observations. I personally believe couples such as your neighbors are the individuals who speak more profoundly and shout louder than the radical, in-your-face, activists who make obnoxious, disgusting, stereotypic displays of themselves at pride parades and other events. I feel those individuals destroy and tear down any positive images and discussons those such as your neighbors accomplish.
 
My point was just that......

It opens one up to things others can't identify with..... I can't identify with it but, I've seen others go through it and some going through it and I just don't know why people cannot leave well enough alone - seems to me we all have our, for lack of a better term, crosses to bear and best to tend to our own situation first insted of trying to fix every one else - you know.... get the beam out of your eye insted of making a big issue of the speck in someone elses eye and better still why not let the person who made that statement - Jesus Christ -fix things seems that's a far better way to go anyway where ever you find yourself.
 
Thanks Bob......

It's taken some time to deal with things and I do still find some things difficult to deal with or accept but then all of us have something or several things that need work - so I'm OK with where I'm at and the progress made. The guys next door would give you the shirt off their back if that was needed - would that I could say that for other people I know or even myself at times...... like I said - still have things to work on and not all related to things in this thread but again, that's true with all of us.
 
Rich, I have a comment on the Clooney photo above....

I'm 46 and struggled with weight issues off and on a good part of my adult life and I'm doing WW and dropped about 15 lbs now with a lot more to go and I difinately don't have the looks Clooney has (young or old) but, everytime I see a photo like that it's kind of an inspiriation to me in a way with the weight loss work. That kind of trim is what I want to get back to.

Funny story came to mind writing the above paragraph. A couple of years ago I was going through some older family photos that I brought home after my mother passed and in one of the albums was a photo of me sitting on the living room sofa at my parents house - it was a younger and much trimmer me. Apparantly I was looking off toward something else in the room and somebody (probably my sister) snapped the photo but the way it came out was really a neat photo and I told my wife that this (trim me in the photo) is what I want to get back to in terms of weight then I paused and said to her...."gee that really is a nice photo - I could turn myself on looking at that!" Needless to say it was a ROTFLMAO moment and we've chuckled at that ever since.

Long story short, that's a nice photo of Clooney and it would be very nice to be that trim again.
 
Randy,

When I look at the photo I think it's more a green feeling than inspiration to lose weight. But you make a good point. I don't know if I have any photos of the long lost slimmer me, but it would be nice to get at least half-way back to my "fighting weight", lol.

I guess I just have to stop viewing the necessary steps less as a sacrifice and more as a reward.
 
Nice vintage pic there Rich. I didn't intend to give the impression that I'm a rabid Clooney fan. I like the guy for the way he can handle the media with finesse (which is part of the basis for my statements further up), but haven't been impressed with much of his work. His looks are fine, I can absolutely appreciate him as a male specimen and I wouldn't kick him out of bed, but he doesn't trigger drooling. It's the average Joe blue-collar worker that doesn't have a clue how hot he is who gets my undivided attention.

So that pic looks pre-"Emergency" or whatever medical show he was on.
 
'Don't know that it's all that big of an issue..

It is a big issue for all of us, who are sick of the prevailing ignorance and prejudice that is out there. As far as the radical types are concerned, they are the gadflies in the ointment and I am thankful for their efforts. I am thankful for their anger and courage to stand up and be counted.

All too frequently and without regard to my sensibilities I am confronted with opinions, criticisms, statements and actions that defy logic, evidence and rational thought pertaining to my sexuality, who I am and my (allocated) place in this world. I am confronted by the conspicuous and persistent denial of my existence in broader society. The pretense of tolerance and acceptance that is underpinned with sniggers, rolling eyballs and nervous shuffling. Apart from the token and stereotipical representations of the odd gay character in this or that show there is nothing. There is a lot of high-quality gay literature, art and cinema out there, that explores the complexity of love and human relationships. Yet, none of it is taught in schools or easily accessible unless one specifically searches for it. Even now people like me are not encouraged to tell their story. In view of this, why should I or others like me remain non-confrontational when we are constantly denied and confronted?

We all struggle to come to terms with the complexities of the human condition and our place in this world. We don't have to like everyone or be accepting of them, but must remember that they have as much a right to be here, live their lives and share their experiences.

It is great that you are taking the time to get to know your gay neighbors. You are obviously realizing that these guys are complete human beings, who are not only defined by their sexuality. You may even gain a wonderful friendhip out of this. What could be better?

Perhaps you might ask yourself why you have been struggling with their sexuality and where your ideas about it come from. How much essence there is to commonly held opinions that underpin the (largely ignorant and dishonest) discourse that prevails on the topic of human sexuality and perceived social norms.

Just my two cents worth.

Enjoy your Easter.

Olav
 
Sex sells they say but I guess the producers of the movie thought that only straight sex would sell. I bet the original story is far better than what they made out of it (isn't that usually so?). We all know that Hollywood didn't love gay stories and a lot of moviemakers are still afraid of making a movie with a gay theme (with a happy ending for that matter).

I feel a documentary coming: "The real English Patient".
 

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