Roma detergent during the wash
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Was it
the older phosphated version or the new P free?
Your machine (looks like it might be a Speed Queen) probably dose an effective spin rinse!
the older phosphated version or the new P free?
Your machine (looks like it might be a Speed Queen) probably dose an effective spin rinse!
How
did it clean ?
did it clean ?
Fast Rinsing Detergents
Inexpensive and weak detergents usually seem to rinse better because there isn't much there to begin with, this is why Sears, Arm&Hammer, and Amway detergents [ just to name a few ] often seem to rinse so well.
As an appliance serviceman we often see the results of inexpensive detergents when used over a long period of time in the form of nasty mineral build-ups and other forms of washer damage. Usually the best thing to do if one wants to use these detergents is to use plenty of them and switch detergents from time to time to minimize the damage they can do to your clothing, plumbing and your washer. You can also add phosphates or consider getting a whole house water softening system.
John L.
Inexpensive and weak detergents usually seem to rinse better because there isn't much there to begin with, this is why Sears, Arm&Hammer, and Amway detergents [ just to name a few ] often seem to rinse so well.
As an appliance serviceman we often see the results of inexpensive detergents when used over a long period of time in the form of nasty mineral build-ups and other forms of washer damage. Usually the best thing to do if one wants to use these detergents is to use plenty of them and switch detergents from time to time to minimize the damage they can do to your clothing, plumbing and your washer. You can also add phosphates or consider getting a whole house water softening system.
John L.
tennblondie78
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What
detergents do you suggest, Combo52? In your experience as a serviceman, which ones seem to leave the least amount of gunk and minerals behind, supposing they did hot water washes regularly?
detergents do you suggest, Combo52? In your experience as a serviceman, which ones seem to leave the least amount of gunk and minerals behind, supposing they did hot water washes regularly?
kenmoreguy89
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I have used Roma several times, and yes, like most if not any mexican detergent is a wonderful sudser, by using these mexican products I never experience problems in rinsing though, nor damage to clothes (obviously not) and build up of any kind....
Roma is produced by la corona soap factory, the same manufacturers that produce Foca and Blanca Nieves detergents...
http://www.lacorona.com.mx/default.php
Foca seems to be considered better performer, this relies in the fact it does contain enzymes and that unlike Roma is meant only for laundry and has a few ingredients which in Roma misses, infact roma is a plain surfactant powder, and as you will read in the package, is a multi purpose powder, so good for laundry but also good for dishes and general cleaning...
It has fair cleaning properties, but would not expect it to manage very soiled and or some types of stains..
And yes, even the dear mexican STPP laden products now does not contain the stuff anymore, at least the ones meant for US market, still being though great performers and value for money...
[this post was last edited: 4/13/2014-16:08]
Roma is produced by la corona soap factory, the same manufacturers that produce Foca and Blanca Nieves detergents...
http://www.lacorona.com.mx/default.php
Foca seems to be considered better performer, this relies in the fact it does contain enzymes and that unlike Roma is meant only for laundry and has a few ingredients which in Roma misses, infact roma is a plain surfactant powder, and as you will read in the package, is a multi purpose powder, so good for laundry but also good for dishes and general cleaning...
It has fair cleaning properties, but would not expect it to manage very soiled and or some types of stains..
And yes, even the dear mexican STPP laden products now does not contain the stuff anymore, at least the ones meant for US market, still being though great performers and value for money...
[this post was last edited: 4/13/2014-16:08]
thor
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Hi Suds
One of my nieces works at the local branch of P&G here in Argentina. I was curious to know why they still manufacture some detergents which get high suds, so I asked her. She answered that people with a lower income, which tend to have manual washers or even wash by hand, usually judge the quality of a detergent by the amount of suds it produces, and not by its cleaning performance. The higher the suds, the higher the quality of the detergent. I should have guessed the answer beforehand!
Emilio
One of my nieces works at the local branch of P&G here in Argentina. I was curious to know why they still manufacture some detergents which get high suds, so I asked her. She answered that people with a lower income, which tend to have manual washers or even wash by hand, usually judge the quality of a detergent by the amount of suds it produces, and not by its cleaning performance. The higher the suds, the higher the quality of the detergent. I should have guessed the answer beforehand!
Emilio
kenmoreguy89
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Emilio, that's right....but that's not all the part of the story..
In south america... Low income families still use alot of bar soaps and or flakes also, you may confirm this, and as we all know, the signs that tells us when our wash solution with soap is ready is when it starts to have a nice layer of suds, and more suds there is and stronger is the wash solution, so detergents over there tend to re-create the same conditions that tells us when the solution is "soapy" enough...so unlike elsewhere in those countries they do not put anything in their regular products to reduce the foam.
While it is not a problem in top loaders and twin tubs, it may become so in front loaders in certain cases....that's why for them is best reccomended to use controlled foam products otherwise called low suds...that avoid possible oversudsing problems.
Over here hand wash/twin tub/top loader products are just the same, and so are also regular products in the USA...even though many modern (non HE ) do have now a bit of defoaming agents too that limit and just does not let them suds all the way like south american does, , that instead still foam freely without something that brakes it...older regular products indeed generally tended to foam just like these as they didn't have any defoaming agents, but didn't miss products that had as peculiarity the low foaming, i recall Dash, suggested infact to be used in front loaders...
You may see like naturally every product made of surfactans foam, just think at the dish soap....so is in the nature of soaps and detergents to foam, what changes is the addition of defoaming agents...
I know the power of a detergent is not dictated by the amount of foam it produces, but in all honesty, I have always found high sudsing products to be different and better than low sudsing....do not know why, also, i do not have problems in rinsing at all, since after first spin it usually is all gone and do hot have traces in the rinse....
Speaking of rinse
Many people think of low suds detergents to be easy rinsing because of this reason, but the lack of foam in rinses is not a sign of good rinsing, you may well still have detergent in your rinse, but not see it because it won't produce foam being a reduced foam product...one of the sure signs instead is water color....if it's torbid it still have detergent in it, if it's clear then it's well rinsed....
In south america... Low income families still use alot of bar soaps and or flakes also, you may confirm this, and as we all know, the signs that tells us when our wash solution with soap is ready is when it starts to have a nice layer of suds, and more suds there is and stronger is the wash solution, so detergents over there tend to re-create the same conditions that tells us when the solution is "soapy" enough...so unlike elsewhere in those countries they do not put anything in their regular products to reduce the foam.
While it is not a problem in top loaders and twin tubs, it may become so in front loaders in certain cases....that's why for them is best reccomended to use controlled foam products otherwise called low suds...that avoid possible oversudsing problems.
Over here hand wash/twin tub/top loader products are just the same, and so are also regular products in the USA...even though many modern (non HE ) do have now a bit of defoaming agents too that limit and just does not let them suds all the way like south american does, , that instead still foam freely without something that brakes it...older regular products indeed generally tended to foam just like these as they didn't have any defoaming agents, but didn't miss products that had as peculiarity the low foaming, i recall Dash, suggested infact to be used in front loaders...
You may see like naturally every product made of surfactans foam, just think at the dish soap....so is in the nature of soaps and detergents to foam, what changes is the addition of defoaming agents...
I know the power of a detergent is not dictated by the amount of foam it produces, but in all honesty, I have always found high sudsing products to be different and better than low sudsing....do not know why, also, i do not have problems in rinsing at all, since after first spin it usually is all gone and do hot have traces in the rinse....
Speaking of rinse
Many people think of low suds detergents to be easy rinsing because of this reason, but the lack of foam in rinses is not a sign of good rinsing, you may well still have detergent in your rinse, but not see it because it won't produce foam being a reduced foam product...one of the sure signs instead is water color....if it's torbid it still have detergent in it, if it's clear then it's well rinsed....
Surprising this thread should pop up after my recent experiences with some "new" detergent in the stash.
Suffice to say, the "Duo Linen-Fresh" I bought the other day turned out to be quite the opposite of Washman's experience - it cleaned fine (Well, residual water in the Miele's dispenser went blue on contact with this stuff :/ ), and had VERY little suds in the wash.
Following a spin, and entering the rinse, I reckon small children could have a bath with the amount of froth produced!!!
And as I said, the detergent contains LOTS (and I mean LOTS) of blueing in it - As I added the requisite dosage into the dispenser, the water droplets left over saturated the detergent just enough to release some of it - creating blue water!
At least for me lately, I haven't had the best run with the detergent's I've tried - Both Duo and Radiant (Liquid) have tendencies to foam excessively in the rinses.
Although, I DID like that the due came with a small, sealed bag of detergent inside, rather than just loose powder. At least you can guarantee the powder is longer lasting, and less likely to cake (BIG Plus this time of year as things get cooler and moister here in Australia).
Perhaps I should covert to Pods?
(I can hear Washman screaming "Blasphemy!" just now!)
Suffice to say, the "Duo Linen-Fresh" I bought the other day turned out to be quite the opposite of Washman's experience - it cleaned fine (Well, residual water in the Miele's dispenser went blue on contact with this stuff :/ ), and had VERY little suds in the wash.
Following a spin, and entering the rinse, I reckon small children could have a bath with the amount of froth produced!!!
And as I said, the detergent contains LOTS (and I mean LOTS) of blueing in it - As I added the requisite dosage into the dispenser, the water droplets left over saturated the detergent just enough to release some of it - creating blue water!
At least for me lately, I haven't had the best run with the detergent's I've tried - Both Duo and Radiant (Liquid) have tendencies to foam excessively in the rinses.
Although, I DID like that the due came with a small, sealed bag of detergent inside, rather than just loose powder. At least you can guarantee the powder is longer lasting, and less likely to cake (BIG Plus this time of year as things get cooler and moister here in Australia).
Perhaps I should covert to Pods?
(I can hear Washman screaming "Blasphemy!" just now!)
