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Hey everyone, I've been told by 2 different washing machine engineers recently, that miele is going to be buying rights to LG direct drive system, for there future models, also, miele will be pushing the capacity of there machines in the future to 9kg.

"WOW, THE MIELE SNOBS ARE NOT GONNA LIKE THAT" :)

i'm not saying this is 100% true people, so don't jump the gun ("RELAX DO SOME WASHING") let me know what you think about this.
 
I don't believe it is correct to equate Miele owners with Miele snobs. People who appreciate (and pay for) superior engineering, technology and construction are not snobs. They are educated consumers and have made choices to purchase what they consider to be the best. They are not putting down other brands, merely chosing a brand better suited to their needs and wants. There are many examples of short cutting and short falls of modern products as compared with what went before under individual brand names or marques. The development you report might be such a case. Once again, I am very glad to have what I have and hope that what I have outlives me, at least by one minute.
 
Unfortunately LG and any other machine with Direct Drive - only allows a spin of upto 1400rpm. Unless Miele are going to be completely stopping 1600rpm Models, then I doubt very much they will use a direct drive motor. OK a direct drive is quieter, but a traditional motor without Brushes can do just as good, if not better job, as has been the case for century's with Commercial washing machines.
OK Miele could look into working out a design of direct drive to 1600rpm, but there must be a reason as to why other manufacturers haven't done this, possibly cost, or they are not designed to go that fast.
 
HI DAVE!

i think that V-Zug might just be?This is from the pics i saw from one owner in the UK.
However I always had this dream that some day Miele will go the direct drive route but also brushless motors is equally good.

I own 4 AEG (MADE IN GERMANY) Lavamat units.Tell me your opinion on the newer Protex types?My main concern was always drum/shocks suspension systems eg ASKOs.

I would appreciate your thoughts.....
 
One Aspires To Miele......

I`m still perspiring!!

Mieles customer base has generally been people with lots of disposable income who dont need to worry about money, most of the appliances sold would have been middle to top end models, sold with kitchens and new kitchen installations.....

The last 10 yrs has seen that changed, the largerer % of models now being sold are entry level machines, to Miele the lower end of their price list.

Dave - Like Tom suggests, the members here have made informed choices, to make statements like that in capitals is rather churlish....

"Is Miele more Superior than V-Zug, the price may suggest that!!
 
If Miele is adopting an LG technology like DD, they must be very confident in it.

Considering how long the warranty is on the motor on LG machines, it must be an absolutely rock solid technology.
 
Age old Technology

As Qaulin says "it must be an absolutely rock solid technology" well it is, in 1969 the Matsushita corperation (Panasonic/Technics) introduced the worlds first DC servo controlled brushless direct drive hi-fi turntable, the motors that LG are producing are based on exactly the same principles, lift the platter off a Technics/Panasonic SP-10/SL110/SL120 etc and you will see the simularity between the motors.
There is nothing wrong with this approach as it is already well proven but the way LG have gone about it implying that it is the latest technology and unless your machine is direct drive it is old hat is a bit of a joke.

I am sure that if Miele are going to produce a direct drive machine it will surpass the LG machines in every way.

Gary

Gary
 
Can anyone clearly outline the DD technology? The vendors just call it DD and leave it to one's imagination what that means. It is indeed possible and practical to form a linear motor (like a mag-lev train or themepark ride) into a circle to drive a wash drum. Is that what's being done?
 
LG sales pitch

What an awful and misleading presentation of LG's direct drive motor, notice on the showing of the belt driven drum the drum is rocking around with some sound affects, then the DD motor is shown as not rocking about, from this i presume then the belt driven demo was made with a drum full of clothes and the DD driven drum empty, because to imply that the DD design does not move about when loaded with clothes is absolute bollox.

Oh and of course its all done with CGI to remove any hint of reality, nore cheap marketing tricks for a cheap machine
 
can you like get over the miele snob statement, it was a joke people lol, but in the pass ive seen people on this forum sounding like they are looking down at people who don't own miele appliances, do i personally think miele best appliance to buy errm! build quality wise yes! overall no! young parents like me do not want a washing machine which is gonna last 20yrs, i would want a change a scenery now and again
plus not everybody can afford that sort of appliance. my mum owns a MIELE W5964 model thats way over my budget even though i could easily of brought a miele lower end one but i decided to go for a samsung 12kg and haven't look back since. MOVING ON SWIFTLY BACK ON THE TOPIC OF LG & MIELE.

i personality believe that, these company do liaise with each other even though they might be in a competition

for example LG washing machines has zanussi jetsystem technology, im sure LG had to pay electrolux the rights to implement that technology.
 
Now that would be something interesting!

We have an LG F1479FDS5 and there are 2 LG F1479FDS6's in the family too. We all can't fault these washing machines. Very quiet, quieter than the old LG direct drive WM12220FD and many other machines with inverter motors that we've heard.

LG washing machines shower the clothes where as Zanussi's have a flow of water, I find the shower very effective, especially in dissolving detergent.

If Miele do use the direct drive technology in the future I would love to see what they come up with. Time will tell...

Happy washing people :)
 
Miele

Soon, Miele will outsource all of its machines to China. Quality and reputation will suffer. Then they will be bought by Haier (gasp)

Malcolm
 
can you like get over the miele snob statement, it was a jok

A bit of a tactless joke on a forum where anyone who has read a few posts will know that it is a controversial subject and is bound to provoke strong reactions.

Lets not forget that inverse snobbery is equally as superficial and pointless as snobbery, and that appreciating the quality of a luxury brand does not make someone a 'snob', liking a brand just because it is expensive and looking down at people who don't own it is snobbery (something I have never seen take place in 6 years of reading and participating on this forum).

I do reguarly see and experience people turning their noses up at Miele and looking down at those who appreciate their quality (and hurling insults such as "snob") so perhaps the snobbery lies with certain other members more than those who like Miele?

Either way, you can say what you want, most of us are stuck in our ways and will always have our preferences whether they can be justified or not, who cares?

I'm pretty sure LG just licensed their direct drive from Fisher and Paykel anyway and simply slapped it in a front loader, don't quote me on that though as it may be the other way round. They are basically the same either way, so no where near as 'unique' as LG claim.

I'd rather spend a grand on a Miele than an LG I know that for certain!

Matt[this post was last edited: 11/9/2012-17:25]

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/lg-f1495bd-direct-drive-washing-machine-white-11558954-pdt.html
 
Considering how long the warranty is on the motor on LG mach

Well, my Duet has an induction motor that comes with a 10-year warranty. Bosch/Siemens motors (the induction ones) have the same warranty as do the Electrolux ones. I think is just due to the fact that these motors use friction-less technology.

Alex
 
Motor Warrantee

I wonder if that motor warranty is worth it, if the motor fails because of a bearing failure resulting from leaking seal. Sure, the motor is covered, but you have to purchase the tub, bearing, seals, and labor to get your free motor.

Malcolm
 
>>>"Sure, the motor is covered, but you have to purchase the tub, bearing, seals, and labor to get your free motor. "

Reminds me of a '89 Volvo 740 Wagon we owned for 11 years. Practically everything else in the entire car was replaced/rebuilt *except* the motor, which was going to run for another 11 years. I was going broke fixing everything else.
 
Lifetime Warranty On Motor

Reminds one of those same offers on tubs of washing machines and dishwashers. The catch was sure the company backed the tub, but more likely than not that would be the last thing to go anyway. One could spend a small fortune over the years on other repairs long before the tub itself rusted out or otherwise invoked that warranty.
 
Nothing Snobish About It

To understand Mielelust one must also understand the cult of German engineering which makes all manner and sorts of products out of that country highly sought.

It also helps to understand the German culture for they are as a nation known as one of the most thrifty in Europe. When it comes to consumer goods this often translates into demanding high levels of quality. If a German household is going to shell out money for a washing machine you better believe the thing is going to not only do the intended job, but last a very long time.

http://machinedesign.com/article/engineering-in-germany-1107
 
Please Read In Context......

The table listed is in Alphabetical order, Miele would most certainly not be beaten for reliability by hoover Hotpoint Beko and others....Miele is often the "Which best Buy"

"Nothing Snobbish About Miele" - Then we need to sack the marketing department, because that how they have made such an impression on the rest of the world - The Brand Stands Alone and Stands Apart - the only headache that Miele will continue to have is "How to Increase Their Sales of Higher Ticket Machines, instead of their core market being the cheapest machines on their price list!!

And once a prestige brand becomes the NORM, then consumers with attitude start to look elswhere and "Create The Next Miele"....One Wonders What That Will Be?

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