mixguy
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Anyone in the group have or have any comment about top loading, horizontal axis, Saber clothes washers and dryers?
Saber Washers
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Perhaps you mean Staber? There are a couple floating around between members I believe, from what I've heard, they are good washers but they have a loud spin and they tend to have pump troubles.
Staber.
I too am curious but know little about stabers. What do they look like, and can we get a picture of one near something more familiar to establish scale? What is their capacity? How long is their cycle? Do they get clothes clean? How do they compare to other front-loaders/top loaders for performance? Are they worth the price? Although I have heard that they need work every now and then, will they last considerably longer than their competition? I am not a fan of front loaders because of their super-long cycles and short lifespans. I believe that a washer should reliably last at least 20 years doing at least 7 loads per week. As for the noise, some of us like the particular noises a machine makes, like a chugging 1-18, a WP/KM Belt Drive, or even a classic Maytag swirl-away draining. I admit I am partial to a Maytag Neptune going into spin.
I think I'll drain my Maytag,
Dave
I too am curious but know little about stabers. What do they look like, and can we get a picture of one near something more familiar to establish scale? What is their capacity? How long is their cycle? Do they get clothes clean? How do they compare to other front-loaders/top loaders for performance? Are they worth the price? Although I have heard that they need work every now and then, will they last considerably longer than their competition? I am not a fan of front loaders because of their super-long cycles and short lifespans. I believe that a washer should reliably last at least 20 years doing at least 7 loads per week. As for the noise, some of us like the particular noises a machine makes, like a chugging 1-18, a WP/KM Belt Drive, or even a classic Maytag swirl-away draining. I admit I am partial to a Maytag Neptune going into spin.
I think I'll drain my Maytag,
Dave
Staber
I talked to them for quite a while back in 2005. They sent me their literature.
Basically, they are the only US built H-Axis TLs.
They do the sheet metal work and design; they buy in the mechanicals from Whirlpool. This means you will have guaranteed no parts problems for like forever, but, yes - stuff like pumps will show the same weaknesses (and advantages) you find in American dishwashers and European machines.
When I asked about quality, they said they learn from their mistakes because they can't afford to lose market share, so quality problems are taken seriously. When I asked about bearing failures (mentioned on internet fora) they said, yup - we have had some, problem is fixed now - but with a used machine, definitely call the factory and find out whether it has the new or old design.
I couldn't go with them because I am not in the US often enough and the in-duh-vi-duals who do repair and service in Northern Colorado couldn't find their arses with both hands and a flashlight. But if I were there all the time and if I had to take a TL, they are the only US brand I would consider. When is the last time GE or Whirlpool admitted they had built a bad product?
You can find a lot of (slanted, friendly) advice about them at:
http://applianceguru.com/ if you enter "staber" in the forum search field. Most folks there are Staber fans. When I wrote a few (the ones who had problems), they all wrote back that Staber was OK about it.
http://www.staber.com
I talked to them for quite a while back in 2005. They sent me their literature.
Basically, they are the only US built H-Axis TLs.
They do the sheet metal work and design; they buy in the mechanicals from Whirlpool. This means you will have guaranteed no parts problems for like forever, but, yes - stuff like pumps will show the same weaknesses (and advantages) you find in American dishwashers and European machines.
When I asked about quality, they said they learn from their mistakes because they can't afford to lose market share, so quality problems are taken seriously. When I asked about bearing failures (mentioned on internet fora) they said, yup - we have had some, problem is fixed now - but with a used machine, definitely call the factory and find out whether it has the new or old design.
I couldn't go with them because I am not in the US often enough and the in-duh-vi-duals who do repair and service in Northern Colorado couldn't find their arses with both hands and a flashlight. But if I were there all the time and if I had to take a TL, they are the only US brand I would consider. When is the last time GE or Whirlpool admitted they had built a bad product?
You can find a lot of (slanted, friendly) advice about them at:
http://applianceguru.com/ if you enter "staber" in the forum search field. Most folks there are Staber fans. When I wrote a few (the ones who had problems), they all wrote back that Staber was OK about it.
http://www.staber.com
a useful link
Here is a direct comparison of Staber to Whirlpool Duet.
Remember, tho' - these folks are Staber fans. Forget the first paragraph about Mac and Pc. They are still fighting that one out.
http://fixitnow.com/2005/03/washing-machine-shootout-staber-vs.htm
Here is a direct comparison of Staber to Whirlpool Duet.
Remember, tho' - these folks are Staber fans. Forget the first paragraph about Mac and Pc. They are still fighting that one out.
http://fixitnow.com/2005/03/washing-machine-shootout-staber-vs.htm
Lee,
The service thing is what keeps coming up in the fora - if'n you can't fix it yourself, you are SOL.
But I am a bit surprised - basically, these are Whirlpool parts. Can't have been that hard to get them?
I'd be interested to know exactly what the problems were with getting them fixed - I really like them and find the prices for European machines in the 'States absurd.
The service thing is what keeps coming up in the fora - if'n you can't fix it yourself, you are SOL.
But I am a bit surprised - basically, these are Whirlpool parts. Can't have been that hard to get them?
I'd be interested to know exactly what the problems were with getting them fixed - I really like them and find the prices for European machines in the 'States absurd.
OOPSIE DUPLICATE LINKE.
wow Panthera
Are you sure about the WP parts sourcing now? When I bought my home & commmercial models in 1999-2000 most parts were sourced from Germany. The motor and control board, the water level control, dispenser, shocks.
I bought numbers 100 & 101 off the assembly line. I was very impressed with the washing ability. I was not impressed with the 700 RPM Spin. I was very unimpressed with the then current enigneering. Over the course of two years each machine practically had all major parts replaced my me.
That meant I spent most weekends that year with the machines apart in my house and my tenants house----which was a ROYAL PAIN IN THE A&*! Tenants don't want broken machines around and they make that perfectly CLEAR>>>> alot!
Staber did send all parts overnite express to me and there never was a charge in all that time. And early on I was so enthused I tried to become a dealer for them in NE but they were not at all interested in that prospect. That really turned me off to the product and the company.
My machines got traded for two workable GE Combos which I must say I have had much more fun with.
Those two machines with new bearings ofcourse now reside in MD where they are very well taken care of I must say!
Are you sure about the WP parts sourcing now? When I bought my home & commmercial models in 1999-2000 most parts were sourced from Germany. The motor and control board, the water level control, dispenser, shocks.
I bought numbers 100 & 101 off the assembly line. I was very impressed with the washing ability. I was not impressed with the 700 RPM Spin. I was very unimpressed with the then current enigneering. Over the course of two years each machine practically had all major parts replaced my me.
That meant I spent most weekends that year with the machines apart in my house and my tenants house----which was a ROYAL PAIN IN THE A&*! Tenants don't want broken machines around and they make that perfectly CLEAR>>>> alot!
Staber did send all parts overnite express to me and there never was a charge in all that time. And early on I was so enthused I tried to become a dealer for them in NE but they were not at all interested in that prospect. That really turned me off to the product and the company.
My machines got traded for two workable GE Combos which I must say I have had much more fun with.
Those two machines with new bearings ofcourse now reside in MD where they are very well taken care of I must say!
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THLA?!?!? UFFA...ma basta...
This is not the first and of course it won't be the last time we speak about this type of machine I believe are earning rate in US market...
I wrote so much about this tipology that now I put some link below:
IGNIS: the recent story of the first TLHA in Italy
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/11848x18.htm
Then a link to a thread where we spoke a lot about the possibility of the TLHA to get the US market too
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/11981x15.htm
Here's a video of a windowed lid TLHA the brand is Spanish but the manufacture seems to be very like a French washing machine...Vedette!
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/11979x5.htm
I found this too, ARDO which is Italian brand which could sell TLHA there in US but peopole here answered me that is not a very reliable one!
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/12090x15.htm
At the end the imagine of the TLHA as it should be...I asked something to Staber Industries too, in particular I asked why do they do a exagon shaped inner tub, when a common circular tub would be suitable the same (I think better!)...they answerd me that's becuase that shaping create more turbolence during the wash cycle to improve the effectiveness of the action. I don't absolutely agree with that!
This is not the first and of course it won't be the last time we speak about this type of machine I believe are earning rate in US market...
I wrote so much about this tipology that now I put some link below:
IGNIS: the recent story of the first TLHA in Italy
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/11848x18.htm
Then a link to a thread where we spoke a lot about the possibility of the TLHA to get the US market too
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/11981x15.htm
Here's a video of a windowed lid TLHA the brand is Spanish but the manufacture seems to be very like a French washing machine...Vedette!
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/11979x5.htm
I found this too, ARDO which is Italian brand which could sell TLHA there in US but peopole here answered me that is not a very reliable one!
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/MODERN/12090x15.htm
At the end the imagine of the TLHA as it should be...I asked something to Staber Industries too, in particular I asked why do they do a exagon shaped inner tub, when a common circular tub would be suitable the same (I think better!)...they answerd me that's becuase that shaping create more turbolence during the wash cycle to improve the effectiveness of the action. I don't absolutely agree with that!
Keven
The machines we had were purchased in January of 01. They DID NOT have any W/P Parts. there was a very nice lady that would try to help us thru problems and they did send parts right away.. but 2 motors a controller board and drain pump problems almost every day.. We finally just tired of jacking with them. The first mo. they ran great... Try to find someone that has had one for 3 or 4 years you will be VERY suprised.If they would just make them a bit stronger might just be ok.. But built too cheaply. I think. We process 3000+ lbs of work per day and I just dont have time to spend trying to repair the small machines. And My maint. man is too busy keeping the larger machines and flatwork ironer running.. To this date the best machines we have had are the Frigidaire. We also have 2 of them that were purchased in 02 and still run fine.. and do a very good wash job. The only problem we have had with either of them is we had to replace fill valves on one and a door latch on the other. Only beacuse my people rammed the door with a laundry cart and broke the hinge.
The machines we had were purchased in January of 01. They DID NOT have any W/P Parts. there was a very nice lady that would try to help us thru problems and they did send parts right away.. but 2 motors a controller board and drain pump problems almost every day.. We finally just tired of jacking with them. The first mo. they ran great... Try to find someone that has had one for 3 or 4 years you will be VERY suprised.If they would just make them a bit stronger might just be ok.. But built too cheaply. I think. We process 3000+ lbs of work per day and I just dont have time to spend trying to repair the small machines. And My maint. man is too busy keeping the larger machines and flatwork ironer running.. To this date the best machines we have had are the Frigidaire. We also have 2 of them that were purchased in 02 and still run fine.. and do a very good wash job. The only problem we have had with either of them is we had to replace fill valves on one and a door latch on the other. Only beacuse my people rammed the door with a laundry cart and broke the hinge.
Bauknecht
Sorry, I should have been clearer. My info was, they use Whirlpool parts; the logic, pump, etc. are built in Germany for Whirlpool Europe.
But that was at a trade show in 2000, so maybe it is old knowledge...have to say though, that pump sure looked like all the stuff they put in Bauknecht. And Bauknecht was already Whirlpool back then.
Anyway, I wonder if they are really any worse than the other US built stuff. It is more the servicing problem from what I can tell.
That 8-sided in the 6-sided thingy, yeah, well, I think that is sort of a gag, too. But who knows? They definitely do a good job cleaning and rinsing, so I am not going to discount it. After all, Candy has used various tub/drum shapes over the years to "save" water.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. My info was, they use Whirlpool parts; the logic, pump, etc. are built in Germany for Whirlpool Europe.
But that was at a trade show in 2000, so maybe it is old knowledge...have to say though, that pump sure looked like all the stuff they put in Bauknecht. And Bauknecht was already Whirlpool back then.
Anyway, I wonder if they are really any worse than the other US built stuff. It is more the servicing problem from what I can tell.
That 8-sided in the 6-sided thingy, yeah, well, I think that is sort of a gag, too. But who knows? They definitely do a good job cleaning and rinsing, so I am not going to discount it. After all, Candy has used various tub/drum shapes over the years to "save" water.
