Lot's of things to break in their new line...
Samsung Copied Whirlpool's Large Capacity Third Rack
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Why do these foreign companies copy American models?
Why do these foreign companies copy American models?
Still no fan of Samsung DWs, but that frying pan holder looks useful.
You can always work around them, but just makeing a dedicated holder could save so much hassle.
I don't quite see what there is to break more in comparison to the other models.
Auto doors have been a thing in the EU (even outside of Miele) for a decade now and aside from a very early ELux series have been basically trouble free across the board. Same with knock-to-open or push-to-open designs as they often just use the auto door mechanism
Those extra wash zones are just another "indent" in the already used diverter.
Fan drying isn't new either - having a separate heater for technically isn't either, but new for Samsung.
So yeah - these things will probably break because they are Samsungs, but I don't think they will break because of what they are.
You can always work around them, but just makeing a dedicated holder could save so much hassle.
I don't quite see what there is to break more in comparison to the other models.
Auto doors have been a thing in the EU (even outside of Miele) for a decade now and aside from a very early ELux series have been basically trouble free across the board. Same with knock-to-open or push-to-open designs as they often just use the auto door mechanism
Those extra wash zones are just another "indent" in the already used diverter.
Fan drying isn't new either - having a separate heater for technically isn't either, but new for Samsung.
So yeah - these things will probably break because they are Samsungs, but I don't think they will break because of what they are.
Copying
I mean, at the end of the day, isn’t everyone just copying Miele? They patented the original concept of a third rack, and now that patent has expired.
I mean, at the end of the day, isn’t everyone just copying Miele? They patented the original concept of a third rack, and now that patent has expired.
my attention span doesn't extend to 5 minutes on d/w features...
Absolutely nothing will ever out do a Standard Tub Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module Dishwasher. If I had to choose between a single cycle BOL WP PC dishwasher and that Samsung I'd absolutely take the Whirlpool Power Clean. It would out clean the Samsung using less water and energy in far less time while being more reliable, durable and longer lasting.
If people could only wake up.
If people could only wake up.
michaelz08
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I haven't read many good things about Samsung appliances, they're all show but little substance. This video's portrayal of the "AI Wash" just reinforces it. As someone who works in tech, I found it nearly nauseating.
Part of why Whirlpool's this rack design can work so well is their very tall tubs, 10%+ taller than the previous generation of tall tubs. If Samsung hasn't gotten a similar amount of extra space, it's just going to cramp the second rack.
The spinning discs is a cool idea, but I think I'd just rather have stationary nozzles for less moving parts. That's more an opinion than a substantial concern. As echoed, they will break just because they're Samsungs.
Part of why Whirlpool's this rack design can work so well is their very tall tubs, 10%+ taller than the previous generation of tall tubs. If Samsung hasn't gotten a similar amount of extra space, it's just going to cramp the second rack.
The spinning discs is a cool idea, but I think I'd just rather have stationary nozzles for less moving parts. That's more an opinion than a substantial concern. As echoed, they will break just because they're Samsungs.
michaelz08
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Regarding the pan holder someone mentioned, I just looked up the model on an appliance site to check that out- wouldn't it be holding the pan at the wrong angle? I would think you'd want a pan to be facing downwards so it gets the full spray pressure since it likely has harder to remove deposits.
chetlaham
Very well said! I have been stating this time and time again. I don't like dishwashers with stupid puny pumps. I'm sorry, but you need forceful jets to clean the dishes properly.
Very well said! I have been stating this time and time again. I don't like dishwashers with stupid puny pumps. I'm sorry, but you need forceful jets to clean the dishes properly.
Jerome yes indeed, and without any semi conductors. In fact wrought simplicity down to only 12 switches in the entire machine could outperform every tall tub in existence. Even stooping to the unconscionable of only 4 water change in a Power Clean would still render better outcomes across all categories.
Translated to text for you Jerome-
Fill 2 minutes
Heated Wash 30 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Fill 2 minutes
Rinse 2 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Fill 2 minutes
Rinse 2 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Fill 2 minutes
Heated Rinse 10 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Heated Dry 30 minutes
Ignore the degree numbers listed, all increments on a 48 impulse step timer as depicted below would be 7.5 degrees.
If everyone were like me Power Cleans would have a 1/2 HP motor and would absolutely dominate being in 95% of all Kitchens.
Translated to text for you Jerome-
Fill 2 minutes
Heated Wash 30 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Fill 2 minutes
Rinse 2 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Fill 2 minutes
Rinse 2 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Fill 2 minutes
Heated Rinse 10 minutes
Drain 2 minutes
Heated Dry 30 minutes
Ignore the degree numbers listed, all increments on a 48 impulse step timer as depicted below would be 7.5 degrees.
If everyone were like me Power Cleans would have a 1/2 HP motor and would absolutely dominate being in 95% of all Kitchens.
Here’s Miele’s first third rack AFAIK.
That's how I load my pans anyway, basically standing up.
Must admit I usually don't have very soiled pans, but never had an issue with anything not coming clean standing up.
Having a dedicated holder like this Samsung or like the holders for the PowerClean zone would be a great addition.
Must admit I usually don't have very soiled pans, but never had an issue with anything not coming clean standing up.
Having a dedicated holder like this Samsung or like the holders for the PowerClean zone would be a great addition.
I think it's amazing that Miele charges what they do and now gives you a bottom plastic wash arm ? I guess without a heating element underneath it it's not really a problem.
I personally don't care either way but I think for the price that they charge especially in the US for their machines they should have a stainless steel wash arm.
All but the cheapest Whirlpool made machines have a stainless steel bottom wash arm and Maytag and KitchenAid an upper one also.
I personally don't care either way but I think for the price that they charge especially in the US for their machines they should have a stainless steel wash arm.
All but the cheapest Whirlpool made machines have a stainless steel bottom wash arm and Maytag and KitchenAid an upper one also.
Interesting!
I kinda like those little spinners. But that’s a lot of little parts that could break. Like others have said.
There’s no patent on that style of 3rd rack, but WP does have the patent on the dual spinning tubes. So I guess Samsung had to come up with another solution.
I kinda like those little spinners. But that’s a lot of little parts that could break. Like others have said.
There’s no patent on that style of 3rd rack, but WP does have the patent on the dual spinning tubes. So I guess Samsung had to come up with another solution.
I don't understand why people get so focused on metal vs plastic - especially on a part you barely ever touch, you barely ever see and that has no real mechanical stress on it.
Yeah, don't buy a Miele. They wash just as well and probably dry a bit worse than some DWs half the price. The only reason I hot one was I literally got it for half price at the exact moment I needed a DW.
But spray arms have been plastic for literal decades. It makes no difference in performance, all the other spray arms would be plastic anyways.
If it frees up 2 bucks on the BOM cost for a better pump, better electronics or whatever, I don't see the fuzz...
Yeah, don't buy a Miele. They wash just as well and probably dry a bit worse than some DWs half the price. The only reason I hot one was I literally got it for half price at the exact moment I needed a DW.
But spray arms have been plastic for literal decades. It makes no difference in performance, all the other spray arms would be plastic anyways.
If it frees up 2 bucks on the BOM cost for a better pump, better electronics or whatever, I don't see the fuzz...
Not obsessed but where is that supposed "Immer Besser" the company is known for ? Would you feel the same if Miele went to plastic baffles in their washers ?
To many people, it is a name of prestige and cachet. Like the difference of buying a Mercedes vs. a Hyundai.
To many people, it is a name of prestige and cachet. Like the difference of buying a Mercedes vs. a Hyundai.
I mean, a spray arm is an entirely different beast do a baffle.
And if they did - I wouldn't even care. Washers had baffles made of plastic - well again for decades. They are just as durable (as long as you don't wash hammers lol).
There are a commercial machines with plastic baffles.
Again, as an engineer: Plastic does not equate lower quality.
There can be absurdly cheaply made metal parts - and extremely high quality plastic parts.
Without having touched a current gen US WP spray arm, I can say with almost certainty that the Miele plastic arm feels just as or more substantial than the WP one.
Having good programming, high quality electronics and high durability racking is a much more meaningful question compared to is that spray arm plastic or not...
And if they did - I wouldn't even care. Washers had baffles made of plastic - well again for decades. They are just as durable (as long as you don't wash hammers lol).
There are a commercial machines with plastic baffles.
Again, as an engineer: Plastic does not equate lower quality.
There can be absurdly cheaply made metal parts - and extremely high quality plastic parts.
Without having touched a current gen US WP spray arm, I can say with almost certainty that the Miele plastic arm feels just as or more substantial than the WP one.
Having good programming, high quality electronics and high durability racking is a much more meaningful question compared to is that spray arm plastic or not...
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"Having good programming, high quality electronics and high durability racking is a much more meaningful question compared to is that spray arm plastic or not..."
Once again that's a given you already expect for the price you pay for Miele.
A plastic spray arm is more likely to crack or split than a stainless steel one. Then again you're an engineer, so what do I know ?
These are just observations, and I think for the high price that people will pay for a Miele they should have the best.
I think plastic is great also and has its functions, especially high quality plastics. As in an outer tub of a washer or an agitator.
I'm thankful that manufacturers switched over to Bakelite then more durable plastics.
"Having good programming, high quality electronics and high durability racking is a much more meaningful question compared to is that spray arm plastic or not..."
Once again that's a given you already expect for the price you pay for Miele.
A plastic spray arm is more likely to crack or split than a stainless steel one. Then again you're an engineer, so what do I know ?
These are just observations, and I think for the high price that people will pay for a Miele they should have the best.
I think plastic is great also and has its functions, especially high quality plastics. As in an outer tub of a washer or an agitator.
I'm thankful that manufacturers switched over to Bakelite then more durable plastics.
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