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paulc
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My aunt bought a US T/L about 12 yrs ago, she loves it and wished she had been able to get one when her kids were younger. Heavy on the detergent though unless you use handwash/twintub detergent.
My aunt bought a US T/L about 12 yrs ago, she loves it and wished she had been able to get one when her kids were younger. Heavy on the detergent though unless you use handwash/twintub detergent.
aquacycle
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Just seen the spec for that Whirlpool TL:
Wash Performance - G
Spin Performance - D
Energy Rating - G
Spin speed - 650rpm
Drum capacity - 8kg
What the...?
You'd have been better off with an A rated, 9kg 1400 spin Beko for half the price.
Wash Performance - G
Spin Performance - D
Energy Rating - G
Spin speed - 650rpm
Drum capacity - 8kg
What the...?
You'd have been better off with an A rated, 9kg 1400 spin Beko for half the price.
I think these tests - esp. the wash performance - were really made for front loaders. I wouldn't mind having on of these as a second washer - if water and electricity were free, of course!
dj-gabriele
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these tests... were really made for front loaders.
Alexander, it's not that way: the relevant CEI EN 60456 (or DIN EN since you're in Germany or IEC EN for the others but the text is the same) has separate test procedures for both front loaders, top loaders with impeller and top loaders with agitators, to test them in the most appropriate conditions and not the same way.
They are so strict in standardization that even the detergent composition is tabulated and also the way to put clothing in the machine to achieve consistent test results. (Paragraph H.5.4 for top loaders, H.3 for front loaders)
Those machines achieve such low grades because cleaning ability is indeed much worse than a horizontal axis machine, same is for the low energy efficiency as the water heating (even if done by another appliance like a separate boiler) is counted in.
Of course if electricity and water were free I'd want one to play with (maybe a vintage American one like the early Frigidaire!)
Alexander, it's not that way: the relevant CEI EN 60456 (or DIN EN since you're in Germany or IEC EN for the others but the text is the same) has separate test procedures for both front loaders, top loaders with impeller and top loaders with agitators, to test them in the most appropriate conditions and not the same way.
They are so strict in standardization that even the detergent composition is tabulated and also the way to put clothing in the machine to achieve consistent test results. (Paragraph H.5.4 for top loaders, H.3 for front loaders)
Those machines achieve such low grades because cleaning ability is indeed much worse than a horizontal axis machine, same is for the low energy efficiency as the water heating (even if done by another appliance like a separate boiler) is counted in.
Of course if electricity and water were free I'd want one to play with (maybe a vintage American one like the early Frigidaire!)
Performance
I have to admit, I was really sceptical about the spin speed. However, they're perfectly dry enough for the dryer and racks.
This is the first weekend ever that I have had practically no washing to do, normally I am a prisoner to it.
I absolutely love it, all clothes clean and away before Friday night
Honeymoon period or not, I would be very hard pushed to get rid of it.
I have to admit, I was really sceptical about the spin speed. However, they're perfectly dry enough for the dryer and racks.
This is the first weekend ever that I have had practically no washing to do, normally I am a prisoner to it.
I absolutely love it, all clothes clean and away before Friday night
Honeymoon period or not, I would be very hard pushed to get rid of it.
paulc
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Chris
US and UK T/L have always been rated badly for energy efficiency and wash performance. Hotpoint's last generation of T/L were rated G for energy efficiency and F for wash performance, having used one I thought they washed very well.
I think the US T/L are rated so bady as they possibly use the "normal" cycle and not "Heavy Duty". Also you have to factor what detergent they use, if you are using a normal dose of european detergent designed for F/L's of course you will get poor results. A 100ml dose designed to work in 10 to 15L of wash water in a F/L will not give good results used in 70L of wash water in a US T/L.
I do have a fondness for US T/L washers but practically they would not work for me. I would miss the ability to wash above tap hot water.
US and UK T/L have always been rated badly for energy efficiency and wash performance. Hotpoint's last generation of T/L were rated G for energy efficiency and F for wash performance, having used one I thought they washed very well.
I think the US T/L are rated so bady as they possibly use the "normal" cycle and not "Heavy Duty". Also you have to factor what detergent they use, if you are using a normal dose of european detergent designed for F/L's of course you will get poor results. A 100ml dose designed to work in 10 to 15L of wash water in a F/L will not give good results used in 70L of wash water in a US T/L.
I do have a fondness for US T/L washers but practically they would not work for me. I would miss the ability to wash above tap hot water.
However,
This article made me feel a bit better about only having tap hot water ;P
www.dailymail.co.uk
This article made me feel a bit better about only having tap hot water ;P
The myth of the 30c 'money-saving' cycle: How your eco-friendly cool wash can infest your clothes with GERMS
New research has shown that potentially dangerous bacteria in our laundry are not killed off in low-temperature washes but breed in the machine
paulc
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I'm always dubious about anything written in the daily mail! Scaremongering to the extreme. I agree the article makes some valid points however I have yet to hear of anyone becoming ill from bacteria on domestic laundry. The cold v's warm/hot debate has been done to death on here and really doesn't need to be discussed further. What I would say is the shear amount of hot water in your new washer plus quality detergent plus mechanical action is more than enough to get your clothes clean.
One thing I would not do though is put UK washing powder on dry clothes before your machine fills as you run the risk of "bleach" marks if using a non colour format. I think using chlorine bleach may not be so effective if you have used a detergent with oxy bleach as the two tend to cancel each other out, however if you are still working through your stash of US detergent I'd say a thin bleach would work very well, plus it's super cheap.
One thing I would not do though is put UK washing powder on dry clothes before your machine fills as you run the risk of "bleach" marks if using a non colour format. I think using chlorine bleach may not be so effective if you have used a detergent with oxy bleach as the two tend to cancel each other out, however if you are still working through your stash of US detergent I'd say a thin bleach would work very well, plus it's super cheap.
Celebrity..!?
...they used my washer in the newspaper article - lol, that's my exact 9kg AEG
which, I have to add, is fabulous and does NOT have mucky bacteria as it's regularly run with 60c cycles.
...they used my washer in the newspaper article - lol, that's my exact 9kg AEG
which, I have to add, is fabulous and does NOT have mucky bacteria as it's regularly run with 60c cycles.Similar threads
