Water? Pressure? All arms at once?
SAMSUNG????
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Water? Pressure? All arms at once?
SAMSUNG????
stricklybojack
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IKEA/WP Renlig for comparison..
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IKEA/WP Renlig for comparison..
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It does look impressive - lots of pressure and running all arms at one would theoretically decrease cycle times. That said, Samsung seems to have trouble keeping the machines running. I know someone with the waterfall model and they seem to like it fine. They pre-rinse everything but "love how it cleans, much better than the GE it replaced." Ok. They've had it about one year now and it's only been repaired twice so that's something. One repair was bad drain pump, another was defective door spring/latch. I've seen several Samsungs on local CL, for pennies on the dollar of new. One seller was upfront about the Samsung service troubles and expenses, nearly begging for someone to just haul it away.
Having been given a washer and dryer, I've not been overly impressed with the build quality and "fit-and-finish" of the Samsung laundry products, but they are pretty.
That poor Whirlpool/Ikea model seems to have trouble with the top wash arm.
Having been given a washer and dryer, I've not been overly impressed with the build quality and "fit-and-finish" of the Samsung laundry products, but they are pretty.
That poor Whirlpool/Ikea model seems to have trouble with the top wash arm.
Top wash arm
They seem to struggle on almost all the reviewed.com videos of WP builds.
They seem to struggle on almost all the reviewed.com videos of WP builds.
washerdude
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Now If I was to pick between W/P and Samsung. I'd pick Samsung. The water pressure has seriously impressed me. Almost looks like the Point Voyager models from Whirlpool.
Now If I was to pick between W/P and Samsung. I'd pick Samsung. The water pressure has seriously impressed me. Almost looks like the Point Voyager models from Whirlpool.
I'm calling a crock on that IKEA Whirlpool. That's nowhere near the case with my Whirlpool. The upper and lower arm individually will both flip a light plastic cup in the top rack. Something isn't quite right with that machine. I also question why it only filled with a few seconds of water.
That Samsung video is quite impressive, the Whirlpool built IKEA dishwasher doesn't look like it has a proper water charge. The top arm didn't even move at all. Methinks something is amiss here.
And while I appreciate that Reviewed does these inside views, it bothers me that they're such short clips, and the majority is sped up to the point that you can hardly make out how well the arms rotate or what spray patterns look like. They also give no indication of what cycles and options were selected. Many machines now alter their fill charges and spray pressures depending on selections, so the Samsung could be running on an Express cycle that uses more water, opens the valves for both arms, and ramps up the pump to compensate.
The WP in that video linked however, there's something wrong in that picture. The water should be filling in the rounded portion of the tub bottom. That was barely enough water to fully fill the sump.
The WP in that video linked however, there's something wrong in that picture. The water should be filling in the rounded portion of the tub bottom. That was barely enough water to fully fill the sump.
I think they use a pre-rinse cycle where avaible. Matches timing and speeding up quite well.
And IKEA applainces usually are from an older generation, thus, this might be one of the first RS designs.
Even if the Samsung would be running on the Quick+ cycle (only avaible on 2 out of 3 models): Their Quick cycle is a prewash, a main wash at 140°F, an interim rinse, a final rinse at 140°F again, and a short drying sequence. That is about what I expect to do perfectly fine for any normal load. And it only uses 5gal of water. Not perfectly efficent, but tolerable.
And IKEA applainces usually are from an older generation, thus, this might be one of the first RS designs.
Even if the Samsung would be running on the Quick+ cycle (only avaible on 2 out of 3 models): Their Quick cycle is a prewash, a main wash at 140°F, an interim rinse, a final rinse at 140°F again, and a short drying sequence. That is about what I expect to do perfectly fine for any normal load. And it only uses 5gal of water. Not perfectly efficent, but tolerable.
mark_wpduet
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I've always been meaning to ask this question on here
and since it's on my mind, I'm going to ask.......
What is the purpose of the very top small wash arm on the ceiling of most dishwashers? I can understand what the wash arms are doing below bottom and top racks, but the ceiling spray arm? I've always wondered, but never thought to ask...I can't imagine that it's doing anything that important, but I'm no engineer, so I never questioned it...
and since it's on my mind, I'm going to ask.......
What is the purpose of the very top small wash arm on the ceiling of most dishwashers? I can understand what the wash arms are doing below bottom and top racks, but the ceiling spray arm? I've always wondered, but never thought to ask...I can't imagine that it's doing anything that important, but I'm no engineer, so I never questioned it...
mark_wpduet
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Oh, I forgot to mention
yea, that IKEA WP something is wrong -
yea, that IKEA WP something is wrong -
Samsung
I've got a Samsung dishwasher and interior looks like the one shown in the vid. If it sprays like the one shown I honestly do not understand the sub-par performance. Nearly every load has at least 2-3 "rejects."
I load exactly as directed in the manual. With our, admittedly hard, lake water here in the panhandle of Texas, you cannot use the cheap store brand detergents. I've tried every setting on the rinse aid dispenser with Jet Dry and Lemi Shine and just about any other brand one can find. The best results are had when using Cascade platinum or Lemi Shine pacs. All others I have tried leave excessive food deposits on glassware.
I've used a roper and whirlpool within the past 5 years with all of the same glassware and dishes with near perfect results, with any detergent.
The only good thing about this dishwasher is how quiet it is. I tell my partner that it is so quiet because it isn't doing anything!!! Ha
My model: DW7933LRABB
I've got a Samsung dishwasher and interior looks like the one shown in the vid. If it sprays like the one shown I honestly do not understand the sub-par performance. Nearly every load has at least 2-3 "rejects."
I load exactly as directed in the manual. With our, admittedly hard, lake water here in the panhandle of Texas, you cannot use the cheap store brand detergents. I've tried every setting on the rinse aid dispenser with Jet Dry and Lemi Shine and just about any other brand one can find. The best results are had when using Cascade platinum or Lemi Shine pacs. All others I have tried leave excessive food deposits on glassware.
I've used a roper and whirlpool within the past 5 years with all of the same glassware and dishes with near perfect results, with any detergent.
The only good thing about this dishwasher is how quiet it is. I tell my partner that it is so quiet because it isn't doing anything!!! Ha
My model: DW7933LRABB
Your machine is different
Your machine has definitely a different cycle chart.
Trouble shooting wise:
1. Which cycle do you use?
2. Has it always cleaned bad?
3. How dirty do you load the dishes? (No pretreatment, scraping, rinsing, etc.)
Things you can do over all:
1. Get some kind of machine cleaner from your next store and use it according to its instructions.
2. Check the spray arms for blocked holes.
3. Check if the right amount of water is supplied. (Open the door just after the filling stopped.)
Your machine has definitely a different cycle chart.
Trouble shooting wise:
1. Which cycle do you use?
2. Has it always cleaned bad?
3. How dirty do you load the dishes? (No pretreatment, scraping, rinsing, etc.)
Things you can do over all:
1. Get some kind of machine cleaner from your next store and use it according to its instructions.
2. Check the spray arms for blocked holes.
3. Check if the right amount of water is supplied. (Open the door just after the filling stopped.)
yoblount
It really could be your very hard water also.
Before a water softener, the very hard water my new house had (25gpg) pretty much had my new GE Profile dishwasher cut at the knees.
Once the water was softened, it started cleaning as intended.
You might need to use extra soap, or lots of LemiShine in conjunction with Cascade or Finish's top of the line detergents.
It really could be your very hard water also.
Before a water softener, the very hard water my new house had (25gpg) pretty much had my new GE Profile dishwasher cut at the knees.
Once the water was softened, it started cleaning as intended.
You might need to use extra soap, or lots of LemiShine in conjunction with Cascade or Finish's top of the line detergents.
joeypete
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Damn
After using my 1985 KitchenAid for a week, these new machines look pretty weak. I've been using "Light" wash and everything comes out sparkling clean in just over an hour. lol
After using my 1985 KitchenAid for a week, these new machines look pretty weak. I've been using "Light" wash and everything comes out sparkling clean in just over an hour. lol
Mark, usually it's there to wash yibbles off the top of glasses and cups, etc.
Food for thought... A camera couldn't handle the heat from a full wash cycle.. Keep that in mind with the reviewed.com videos..
I tried... .... the camera overheats and shuts down.
I tried... .... the camera overheats and shuts down.
Don't you have a Miele dishwasher? I suppose any GoPro should withstand the average 105F main wash cycle in a Whirlpool.
henene4 and johnb300m
Thank you for your suggestions. Sorry for the long delay and the long post.
1. I generally use the Normal or Heavy cycles - Normal for small loads, heavy for large loads. I do not believe that I am using the wrong cycles. Using the sanitize option makes the dishes dry so quickly that it nearly bakes soil deposits onto the glasses so I don't use it very often.
2. Yes, cleaning performance has never been optimal.
3. Dishes are scraped, but generally not rinsed before being loaded. Large particles are not allowed as the dishwasher will just chop them up and leave them on dishes. Re-deposition seems worse on the top rack. Anything burned on gets soaked and scrubbed before being loaded.
I was not able to find any kind of obstruction in the spray arms and the machine fills up with the proper amount water. In the past I have used machine cleaners and CLR cycles because I noticed mineral deposits on the heating element with no improvement to wash performance.
I have played around with adding additional detergent with positive results! I have a bottle of finish gel and have been adding about 2 Tbsp to the floor of the machine before starting in addition to 1 detergent pack in the main dispenser. Instead of large spots and stuck on redeposits, I now have much smaller spots.
Here are some pictures. Most all glassware comes out like these pictured. These deposits will come off if you scrape them with a fingernail. Very annoying to have to do this to every glass, especially wine glasses.
The surface of these glasses felt smooth to the touch, so I don't think they are pitted...
I think it's safe to assume that the glassware is not the problem since we never had these issues with previous dishwashers while using the same dishes.
Thank you for your suggestions. Sorry for the long delay and the long post.
1. I generally use the Normal or Heavy cycles - Normal for small loads, heavy for large loads. I do not believe that I am using the wrong cycles. Using the sanitize option makes the dishes dry so quickly that it nearly bakes soil deposits onto the glasses so I don't use it very often.
2. Yes, cleaning performance has never been optimal.
3. Dishes are scraped, but generally not rinsed before being loaded. Large particles are not allowed as the dishwasher will just chop them up and leave them on dishes. Re-deposition seems worse on the top rack. Anything burned on gets soaked and scrubbed before being loaded.
I was not able to find any kind of obstruction in the spray arms and the machine fills up with the proper amount water. In the past I have used machine cleaners and CLR cycles because I noticed mineral deposits on the heating element with no improvement to wash performance.
I have played around with adding additional detergent with positive results! I have a bottle of finish gel and have been adding about 2 Tbsp to the floor of the machine before starting in addition to 1 detergent pack in the main dispenser. Instead of large spots and stuck on redeposits, I now have much smaller spots.
Here are some pictures. Most all glassware comes out like these pictured. These deposits will come off if you scrape them with a fingernail. Very annoying to have to do this to every glass, especially wine glasses.
The surface of these glasses felt smooth to the touch, so I don't think they are pitted...
I think it's safe to assume that the glassware is not the problem since we never had these issues with previous dishwashers while using the same dishes.
