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It occured to me about 3 months ago that I pay for satilite every month and 99% of the time I only watch the local channels. I'm considering discontinuning the service..seems like a waste of money every month. My contract with Dish network expired in February so I can do whatever. Has any one gone cable-less/dishless? What sort of equipment/antenia did you buy and how's the reception?/thanks
 
I have DirecTV but get my locals from a roof top antenna for a $10/month savings. The old analog worked perfect with rabbit ears but the new digital is way too sensitive picking up the signals. The only thing I watch locally is the News as I cant stand all the network crime, drama, reality shows. I'd rather watch a good cooking show, home improvement or old comedies on TV land.
 
There are any number of ways to go to get locals only.  You can put up an antenna, sized depends on your location.  Or, many cable companies have a lifeline basic local only package for $15 or so a month.

 

Check out  Antenna web to see what you might need antenna-wise.  If you want a DVR there are a few options there too.

 
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I'll let you know.I have a friend that pays almost 200 a month for internet and tv...I only have the basic package and it runs about 75.00 a month..that's 900.00 a year. In the begining I enjoyed it..but after a few years of HGTV and the Food Network I lost intrest. Now it's the local news in the mornings and evenings...I think my dogs get more enjoyment out of it than I..they enjoy the cartoon network during the day while I'm at work and of course when I get home in the afternoons it's my responsibility to entertain them. I just keep thinking there a lot of other things I rather spend 75 dollars on than tv that I dont use.
 
The size of your antenna depends on a few factors.  First, what band are your channels broadcasting on, if they are all UHF you can get by with a relatively small antenna, if VHF the lower the channel's frequency the larger your antenna will need to be.  second is the distance from your broadcast towers, the further the larger the antenna you will need.

 

After those points have been determined you need to look at the direction the towers lie in.  If they are 180 degrees or so apart you may get lucky, if not you may need a rotor or a second antenna.  Also depending on your location you may be able to mount the antenna in your attic.  note; if you mount it outside you will need to ground the mast and tie the ground to your house ground.

 

I've dealt with antennas for many years, post the results you get from antenna web and I may be able to give you more info...
 
You should also talk to the people where you live, if you aren't already. Things vary wildly area to area--reception quality, cable TV company options, etc.

For example, I have heard stories of people who get digital TV with no real trouble. It seems like they can fling a pair of rabbit ears whereever, and they get every channel. Then there are people in difficult reception areas that can spend months working to get just one channel to come in.

My area is a difficult reception area. It was bad with analog, it has become very hard (and possibly impossible in some parts) with digital. I know three people out here who had analog. One moved to some sort of dish system. Two got over air to work with some difficulty, but one house later moved to cable. (I don't reception was necessarily the reason for the move to cable--I think more chanels, or the fact that person gets Internet from the cable company influenced the decision.)

I currently don't get any TV. I'd need a really good antenna to have any hope of getting anything over the air. I'm not interesed in the expense, or hassle. I'm not sure I'll be here long enough to make it worth it...although I was probably saying that same thing 2 years ago! I don't get pay TV, because at the best of times, I'm cheap. In the current economy, this is one thing I can happily skip to make my budget go further. All I watch is DVDs from the library (which has a good collection, including vintage TV), or VHS tapes from thrift shops.
 
I agree that it is best to talk with people locally about the type of reception they receive without a cable or Sat service.

Where I am there is no way to get a good  OTA signal because of the tall buildings and it is difficult to install a roof top antenna because of zoning restrictions, so I get my local service as part of my Direct TV plan.
 
When you use antenna only you'll find that most local stations have more than just one feed. Here in Houston there is a digital broadcast only station that broadcasts old television shows for free.

We use DirecTV. About two years ago we called them and asked for a rate reduction.
They reduced our rate from $72.98 per month down to $42.95 per month for a year. All we did was to tell them that we were getting various offers from other providers and what is the best rate that they could give. That move saved us about $330.00 for that year.
 
Washerboy, I'm paying $70+/mo for Dish which includes 4 receivers w/ "service contract". When we watch TV both of us are in the same room usually it's local news so dropping the service is looking attractive. Neighbors use rabbit ears and get 'zillions' of digital stations from both Atlanta and Macon.
 
My TV (Philips) is 9 years old. I have a converter box along with rabbit ear antenna for it and get only 11 channels...half of which I have to stand with the antenna in my hand and do all sorts of contortionist moves to get a decent picture without it pixelating. Is there a secret or method to getting a good picture with using only a converter box and antenna?
 
DirecTV

Turned on TV Land tonight on my DirecTV and now Viacom is fighting with them to pay them billions to broadcast their commercial after commercial or shut them down tonight. Seems that something is wrong with this picture. Networks get their revenue for their obnoxious constant commercials and they want cable and satellite providers to pay them? With this mandated digital conversion, unless you are in a perfect reception area, you cant get signal. The networks should be paying them to broadcast their programs, sounds like double dipping. Pay TV was invented to be commercial free.
 
I have to agree: if one is paying for TV, one should expect A) channels that are ad-free, or B) ads, but the cable TV rates go down.

But the way things are, it will be C): pay a zillion dollars a month, and see five gazillion ads in the process.

At least DVDs from my library don't have ads. Oh, wait. I forgot. They do--those irritating "previews" which, sometimes, are impossible to skip. (In cases like that, I just turn the volume down, and let the DVD play while I go and do something else for 15 minutes, half an hour, two hours, whatever until the previews are done.)
 
"Pay TV" may not have been invented for ad-free TV. I don't know about the history of "premium" channels. But the basic cable TV idea was, I've heard, developed to cope with difficult reception areas. From there, it evolved with cable-specific channels, etc.
 
Indoor Antennas & Digital Signals

Most transmissions in our area come from 40 to 50 miles away.  We use a Zenith converter box with a 19" analog TV, and the antenna is a simple "bow tie" type that snaps onto a rabbit ear, which came free with a TV sometime in the past.  We pull in almost all available channels with just that.  Sometimes if the fog is thick up in the SF area, we'll get annoying break-ups in the signal on certain channels.  I intend to rig up a rooftop antenna to improve reception, but even on an old school CRT set, certain programming is rendered in a much sharper picture and better color tone than it ever was with analog broadcast or even cable.  Interestingly, one of the antennaweb channels that comes up purple for me comes in more reliably than most others, including many of the yellow ones.

 

Several stations offer more than one channel's worth of broadcasting.  Some have as many as six additional ones, but not all of them offer much of interest.  No one should make the mistake of thinking over-the-air digital for free offers an alternative to cable or satellite.  If you like certain cable channels like HGTV or Food or DIY, you'll not be pulling in anything of that genre over the air.
 
Personally, I HATE the "extra" channels most if not all broadcasters are using today.  A POX on them from my stand point.  I invested much money to get a high quality image and it gets diluted to crap for the sub channels showing more crap.When I first got HD about 12 years back, it was hard to get a decent signal, but I managed to with a bit of work.  The picture quality back then was truly stunning. Now with all the crap channels -- each one steals some of the quality of the main channel -- the HD image looks little better than SD.  Each channels only has so much bandwidth to work with and each sub channel uses up some of it.  the only place to get it from is the HD channel.  Some broadcasters skip HD all together and do 5, 6 or 7 sub channels.

 

Luckily for me I live in what I call the "golden triangle" If I turn my antenna I get all the stations from 3 different markets.  Of course they are all duplicates, but it helps from time to time.  Now days I leave my antenna pointed at the Detroit stations some 60 + miles out.  My tuners indicate near 100% signal quality but I'm using a very high gain antenna with an excellent preamp on a 50' tower.  OTA is marginally better than my SAT provided locals.  I tend to be a bit obsessive about my image quality so every little bit helps.
 
In my area the digital conversion actually improved things, as long as one had a good antenna. Most of our channels are broadcast from 50 to 80 miles away, making this a fringe area. Up until a few months ago I had an ancient 20 foot tall analog antenna, that was actually a flat wire screen type antenna for uhf mounted above a standard antenna with all the arms sticking out for vhf, (I may have that backwards). Along with that I had an antenna rotor, and a signal booster. Using this set up I was getting about 5 channels before the digital conversion. Afterwards, with all the feeds each station offered, I had a total of 20-26 channels depending on the weather. I would still be using my antenna, but after a horrific storm in the spring blew the tower down and smashed the antenna, I had cable hooked up until I decide whether to spend the money for a new antenna and tower.

The main things to remember are that if there are hills, trees, or neighbor's houses between you and the station you wish to receive, your antenna will have to be higher than those obstructions if you are any sort of distance from the station. I have friends who live within 20 to 30 miles of broadcast stations, and are able to get all the channels they want with a simple set of rabbit ears. When I tried that after my antenna was destroyed in the storm, I was only able to get 5 channels, 4 of which were PBS. So the further you are from the station, the bigger, better, and taller your antenna must be.

Also a signal booster is a must if you arent close to the stations. Without my signal booster plugged in I was only able to get those same 5 channels that I got with the rabbit ears, even with my 20 foot antenna.
 
Best Move I Ever Made

I cancelled satellite about a year ago and couldn't be happier.
I live in an urban area in the Washington DC area. I have a rooftop ominidirectional antenna (Winegard Metrostar something) that doesn't require a rotater. See the antennaweb link previously posted for assistance in choosing an antenna. I bought my antenna online from an outfit called Summit Source.

I have an older Zenith stereo TV, with no digital tuner. I have a zenith converter box. I also have a Magnavox MDR515H DVD Player/ DVR recorder. I had heard that they were going to stop making these, but not sure. It has a digital tuner in it, so you can use it as a tuner/"coverter box", as well as record programs "off the air", and it works like an old-fashioned VCR. You record programs by time and date. I love it! If you want to record programs, this is the way to go, or the latest Tivo boxes are capable of recording OTA, but you would still have to pay the montly Tivo subscription. You can also copy DVDs to the hard drive, or burn movies from the hard drive to DVDs, but I have not used this capability much.

I also have a Samsung DVD Player with internet/streaming capabilities. With this I can watch programs or movies on Netflix (I have DSL). So my only monthly cost for TV is the 8or9$ I pay for Netflix.

I can get about 40 channels over-the-air. There is always the networks, news, a cooking show, a home improvement show, PBS, and various re-runs and oldies. Thats fine for me and the last thing I need to waste time on is watching TV. Your results will vary, and if you live in the boonies you may not get much.

Also, if you are looking for an online directory listing, I use TitanTV.com and it's great.

Good luck!
 

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