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Cybrvanr

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Today's homes use significantly less energy than their counterparts 100 years ago. Part of this is government regulation, the other half is that saving energy around the house is something just about everyone is concious about. We turn off lights and appliances when we aren't using them. Homes these days have become quite efficient in the amount of resources they require. The interiors are made tight to minimize air infiltration. New window designs minimize heat loss. We all know that new appliance designs have made energy savings a priority.

The flip side of this coin is commercial buildings, where the same attention to conservation is definitely lacking. I guess part of this has to do with the fact that "someone else" is paying the bill. I encounter all sorts of wasteful things in my journeys around. Here's some of the things I have noticed

Large, gaping holes and gaps between un-conditioned and conditioned space. For example, At one job site I was at, conduit was run through the parking garage below the floor. Where the conduit came up, a siginifcantly larger hole than the conduit was bored, and not back-filled. Un-conditioned air was leaking in by the ton. One would never tolerate massive holes (and the subsequent drafts) in their own home.

Large expanses of single-glazed windows. Yes, big windows look nice and really make a building look modern. Although regulations exist in how much energy can pass through a residental window, similar building codes do not exist for commercial property.

Leaving lights and other equipment on when not in use. The typical office uses just as much power during business hours as it does after hours. Workers leave computers on 24-7, along with printers, FAX machines, and the lights overhead. Many retail venues leave their parking lot lights on all night despite the fact the business is closed for most of that time.

Reckless use of water: We've all seen lawn sprinkler systems on during the middle of rainstorms. Water is wasted in all sorts of ways

We cannot forget the amount of food wasted, and considering this is the holidays, it's really a shame that all the uneaten food prepared goes in the trash when there are hungry people around. I was at a lawyer's office in DC working on a sound system, they were had a huge banquet, but not all the food was eaten. It sat on sternos for another hour when an orderly came by and emptied the trays into a big trash barrel :(

Many businesses, for instance, Radio Shack, Circuit City, Verizon communications, and many others are constantly "renovating" among many others. Many businesses change their appearance like underwear. While it makes good business for contractors and builders, it is terribly wasteful. I have made significant renovations using materials I have found in construction dumpsters....perfectly fine materials that were just "old".


I have always wondered why homes and residental areas are always picked on so much for saving energy, when there is so much wastefulness in the commercial and industrial world out there. Forevery watt we save by installing compact fluorescent lights and turning them off, there's a computer or a light left on in an office building. I like saving energy as much as the next person does, but to me, if we really want to get off of foreign oil, we should be performing "energy audits" on our commercial buildings, and making them as efficient as our homes. Yes, it would initally cost money, but in the long run, I believe it would be beneficial to businesses because the savings could be significant!

Being an employee of a small business, we are doing just that. We are turning lights and office equipment off after hours. The HVAC system now has setback thermostats. In our 30-employee office, we have saved close to $500 a month off the electric bill! We would need to run several service calls to turn that sort of raw prophit! Our boss has distributed questionaires and inspired discussion as to how we can save energy around the office, and so far we have come up with many good ideas. He has asked us to look for leaky windows and doors, and other drafts too. It will be quite interesting to see how much more energy we save as they are implemented, but I imagine they will be very beneficial
 
Thank you. It is refreshing to see that someone cares.

My absolute FAVORITE is that in the DAWG days of August the A/C in my office is so cold you can see your breath which prompts the portable electric heaters to be running.

Sugar, use a sweater. And why is your midriff bare anyway? If a guy came to work with a polyester shirt open to his navel there would be hell to pay. But if a girl comes in poom-poom shorts and her gazangas out.....
 
I too have made use of materials thrown into commercial building dumpsters.Some of the stuff almost new.also much new stuff thrown out when a business moves out and another moves into the space.I used to live near a shopping center and did much dumpster diving.Found all types of goodies!!Some I still use today.the high rise apartment houses I used to live in had single pane windows-lots of heat-cool leakage in the summer or winter-The AC unit in my apartment was running its guts out--but in the winter didn't have to turn on the aprtment heater because I got LOTS of heat from neighbors.They crank their thermostats to 80 degrees!! The building I work in now has a wasteful outdated "reheat" system-both the chillers and boilers are used.You feeel it-drafty one moment-too hot the next.The DC plant building I worked in they did install sensors that shut off the office lights if someone wasn't in the room.The computers had to be left on so they could be automatically upgraded for emails,security,etc.The computer system staff askes people NOT to shut off their computers there.The load that computers put on the power line(direct line recitifers and switching power supplies)is very UNFREINDLY to building dist transformers.This load would still be there even if they were shut "off"The computer supply is then unloaded.
 
I guess it depends on where you live. Here in the SF Bay Area I think a lot of companies are actively trying to conserve energy. Motion detectors on office room lights, strict control (locked) HVAC thermostats, bans on portable electric heaters, etc. There is only so much you can do though with old, thermally inefficient building design. And of course retail shops with doors constantly open to the outdoors face a losing battle.

What kind of perplexes me is that even in energy-short California, commercial users get a discount per watt if they consume more electrical energy. This is the exact opposite of the hit on residential customers, who can pay a 100% surcharge if they go over a certain limit. I suppose the idea is to make the state more attractive to businesses, but I think it's making it more attractive to the wrong kinds of businesses - those that like to waste energy.

Some big solar power firms are located in this are... ironically they cater mostly to the commercial side. I guess office buildings and factories are more straightforward to retrofit with solar voltaic panels, than are residences. But when I replace my wood roof in about 10 years, I'm hoping that prices will have fallen enough to enable me to solarize the home for not much more than the cost of a new roof.
 
Yep, in augst 102 degrees outside and I'm freezing in my office nd I have to turn my heater on. Then again, I work with a bunch of post-menaausal women lol.
 
Office temperature settings can be a bit difficult. When I was a computer field service tech, when I'd come back to the office I'd suffocate because the ladies there would have the heat all jacked up. I'd be on the move all the time in the office, so I didn't need much heat above 65F, but they'd be sedentary, so of course they'd want it warmer, like 75 or 80. All year 'round.
 
IMHO- They say perfect room temp is 74*f all year round.

Why can't office thermostats heat to 71*f and cool down to 76*f and do nothing in between.

This way in fall and spring you dont pay to do one when the sun is shining and the other when it sets. Max comfort max efficiency and no sqaubbles.
 
I'm actually more confortable with the heat in the winter set to 65F. All it takes is a t-shirt, long sleeve shirt, and maybe a sweater (as well as heavy slacks, of course) to be perfectly comfortable at that temp.

We are currently blessed in the SF Bay Area with balmy weather. It was in the 60's today - the two week spate of rain paused for a day, after things warmed up quite a bit. I was able to air out the house and the garage (which has a cement floor that weeps in the rain, for some reason).
 
A comfortable and healthy temperature can be made chilly by a "heat sink" facing exposed skin. Such heat sinks could be uninsulated windows and walls.

Heavy drapes on the windows and tapestries on the walls will help to prevent the cold glare.

Even better, insulate the walls and double-pane the windows.

Or, take to bed under covers. I've noticed that when I feel a chill, the best solution is to get some rest, not turn up the heat.
 
For being a nice new house, it isn't too efficient. There's good insulation throughout but only single-pane windows. HUGE heat leak. Or should I say, COLD leak. In the summer, the ac leaks out, in the winter, the cold air leaks in. I guess the contractor figured, this is Opelousas, not LA or Boston, who needs Energy Star?

Belive it or not, my mobile home in Belle Chasse was way more effecient. Double insulation, double pane windows. No problem keeping it warm. The only problem was the sun shone through the kitchen window, creating a hot spot, and being that thermostat was close by, I had to be careful with the setting, but otherwise it was great. I DID see a little difference when I got my Frigemore. Less water, I was able to dry clothes on "low" (for a GE dryer) and for shorter periods of time. The thing that surprised me was the natural gas. It shot up in price in the few years I've owned the trailer. The gas stove and the furnace really sucked up some gas. Enter electric radiator.

I'm actually not one of those "environmentalist" people, but I appreciate having a small energy bill.
 
*SPANK* to you Jason.

There is no such thing as cold.
Cold is the absence of heat.
Therefore in the winter heat leaks out, and in the summer heat leaks in...

Builders will always, (unless they have to) build to "Builder's grade" BOL POS, sadly.
 

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