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brisnat81

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Hi Robert,

There seems to be a change on the website today, where each line shows the line as a selection when you mouse over it.

When using the scroll wheel on my mouse it takes twice as long to scroll.

The first click moves the page, the second click moves the selector bar, third click moves the page, the fourth click moves the selector bar. Standard windows mouse drivers here, no special config. Windows 7 and IE8

Is there anything that can be done :)

Cheers

Nathan
 
Getting the same thing here.

The highlighting is distracting and unnecessary. If your mouse does not get placed at the top before you start scrolling down it jams on the way back up with subsequent scrolling.

Not liking it. Not one bit...

Dave
 
Mouse off the index page then use the arrow key.

I can jump into the index anywhere (from the scrollbar) and the highlighting works properly. W98, FF2.
 
Robert's been busy...

Looks Like Robert has been tinkering with something other then classic machines.

 

Not sure I like the change, to me it seems distracting, never had a problem identifying where I was on the page.

 

Edit:

 

I take that back after roaming the site I find the new highlighting down right annoying.....  Perhaps if the difference in color was toned down a bit- or a lot- it would not be so distracting.
 
I have seldom used the mouse wheel. Clicks when you didn't mean it to. I have an RC transmitter that does that. But the wheel is only for programming, not everyday use.

The change doesn't upset me.
 
It also causes an effect that ctrl-click doesn't work properly in Firefox. Ctrl-click is to open a link in a new tab. Now the link opens in BOTH the parent tab and a new tab. Click of the mouse wheel also opens in a new tab, which that continues to work correctly ... but my mouse wheel clicker tends to be flaky so I also use the ctrl-click method.
 
Thanks Guys for letting me know. I've had this feature on Friends and Husbands since its inception and I've never had anyone say it didn't work properly. I've been wanting to bring that feature here for a while because it makes the navigation of the index page easier to read and at least in my opinion.

I've tried it on seven different computers and cannot replicate the mouse wheel speed issues that Nathan is having or the "jam" issue that Dave report. This might related to the brand or type of mouse.

What I'll do then is come up with a way of turning the new scroll highlighting off. I'll work on that today if I get time.
 
The difference with Friends and Husbands is that the whole site is less wide on my screen (1600 x 900). This site however fils up the whole width of the screen.

Hey Louis, I realize that does make a difference. I would like to eventually do the same thing here and modernize the site a bit. Centering the page and controlling the maximum page width is what most modern websites do these days. A lot of this site is still written like its 2004 which I would like to update slowly but surely over time.
 
Interesting, this morning on my laptop the color gradient change is not too annoying, certainly I could live with that, not that I have a choice.  However last night on my main computer  the highlighted color was almost neon bright.  I guess different displays react differently.

 

This might motivate me to do a real proper setup on my 23" Sammy monitor I got last year, I've been wanting to set the color temp and try to calibrate the gamma as best I can without the proper tools.  Only method I have is to run Avia on my pro calibrated PDP and eyeball the secondary display to match as closely as possible.  A bit of a pain so I have not done it...
 
Robert,

I don't know if this will help, but I tried scrolling slowly and here's what happens:

I scroll down one click and the page scrolls down one thread, but the highlight stays on the thread above. I scroll down another click, and the page sits still but the highlight moves down one thread.

Chuck
 
 
Chuck and Robert,

I see that effect of the highlight lagging behind in IE, both 8 and 9. Does not happen in Firefox (latest 7.01).

Interestingly, scrolling is *slow* and the highlight lags two posts behind in IE9 on my new Dell (2.80 GHz AMD Phenom II X6 1055T processor, 8 GB RAM, 64-bit Win7).

IE8 scrolling is fast and the highlight lags one post behind on a 6-years-old 2 GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ with 3 GB RAM running WinXP. Same on a Toshiba laptop (Pentium 4 3.33 GHz, 1 MB RAM shared with video [896 MB available], WinXP).

Firefox 7.01 scrolling and highlight movement is good on all three systems, but there's the ctrl-click issue I mentioned previously (appears to be a script effect, happens only when logged-in).
 
OK thanks guys. I added a check box at the top that allows you to turn off the scroll highlighting if it's not working for you or annoying, at least until all the bugs are out.

I cannot replicate the IE lag that some describe. I've tried it a four different computers, IE6 7 8 and 9, all work just fine.   Typical Internet Explorer behavior, so many developers are so glad that IE market share continues to drop.  I'll keep looking for a system that it does that on.  The way programming goes generally if you can't see it do it, you can't fix it.

Question for those seeing the lag, do you also see the same lag on this Friends and Husbands page????

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Dave's personal ergonomic analysis

I like to sit back in my Morris chair and view the 25" widescreen monitor set at 1920 x 1080 pixels, from a comfortable distance. I have been using scroll wheel wireless mice for what seems like decades now and I use the chair's wide level arm as the mousing surface. I use point & click or the scroll wheel about equally, depending on the format of the site page I am viewing; scroll wheel is favoured for long lists and discussion groups like Vacuumland and Washerland or eBay and my Subaru Forums. It's just easier to get to where I wanna go quickly.
(I have always tailored my mouse properties for speed and screen travel with the slightest of wrist movement. Most people say my mouse is too fast but one 1.5" swipe of my mouse moves from extreme left to extreme right. I have become very accurate with my settings and use these tight tolerances when editing at the pixel level in Picture & Graphic tasks - ie: cropping photos and working with the scanner and merge software.)

Anyway, the highlight feature interferes with my customary efficiency on the Forum. Here's why is doesn't work for me:
Jams may not be the right word; here's what happens.

Say I start with my mouse pointer on the Index page 8 subject thread lines down...the wheel will scroll down through the list but on the up scroll stops where I began and will scroll no further up.
To do so I have to move the cursor to the top and start over.
Sometimes there are so many new posts (more on Washerland than Vacuumland admittedly) that to scan through them I use the jump-one-page feature of the right side scrollbar.
Again, the highlight feature and aforementioned 'jam' requires more potentially carpal tunnel fingering clicks to scan the full range of threads at a glance.

As for the skipping of threads this happens when the cursor lands between thread highlights. Scrolling with the wheel either moves to the next thread as it should, or skips over it and it skips unpredictably - sometimes skipping two adjacent threads. Makes the smooth screen scroll jerky.
The bright highlight colours flashing on and off is almost epileptic in its distraction on this big screen.
I find I have to pay too much attention to how and where I am mousing causing my relaxed position in the chair to shift, inducing undesirable stress.

I like to feel I am in control of my mouse and its functions. The highlight takes that feeling of control away like the mouse is deciding for me where it will land and what it will do when it damn well pleases.
I prefer to click on the red thread number rather than have the entire line become the link.

The highlight feature works better in the Husbands site because the font is smaller and the highlight lines are thinner, more closely matching the indentations of the average mousewheel. Also the highlight colour chosen is gray, not an intense rainbow shade flashing on and off.

While my main mainframe is an AMD dinosaur running XP III running Firefox and the mouse is a 1999 Logitech cordless wheelmouse with a Ball sensor - yes Really! - (for scrolling and navigation with my finger or thumb when standing or moving away from the chair - don't ask - less twitchy than a laser sensor) my MacBook 17" Pro with the Magic Mouse in Firefox or Safari (either OS10 or in WinXP via VMware) evidences the same erratic behaviors with the new highlights. Another favorite laptop travel mouse is the Kensington Slimblade with the tiny trackball on top.

As much as I applaud and encourage progress this feature does not work for me and I have turned it off for now. Thank you for the option and please provide the same in Vacuumland should this feature be introduced there.

Hope you're smiling, Robert. :-)

And while I'm at it, the SHAG button on the Vacuumland site is too close to and centered over the thread line when I use my Ipod Touch with my small but pudgy fingers - I keep resetting everything to Not Read. Argh.

Dave
 
And while I'm at it, the SHAG button on the Vacuumland site is too close to and centered over the thread line when I use my Ipod Touch with my small but pudgy fingers - I keep resetting everything to Not Read. Argh.

Hi Dave, Ah Hah!! Now go back and try this on your iPad but keep the Scroll Highlight on. If the post is in the RINSE/SHAG mode for you you wont have to click directly on the RINSE/SHAG button anymore, you can simply click anywhere across the post bar and it will take you right to the point where you left off reading. Try it and let me know.

One of the reasons for this change is to make it more iPad/iPhone friendly.
 
I noticed this morning that when you read a thread and click back to the main screen that it is not taking you down to that part of the listings anymore where you were. It is just taking you back to the beginning. No big deal but just wanted to bring it up.
Jon
 
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