My Farberware convection oven's use & care manual greatly ephasizes the necessity of reducing the baking temperature in the recipe by 25F unless the temperature is 300F, like for chocolate pound cake. With computerized oven controls, this is done automatically.
Self cleaning ovens with hidden bake element
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jerrod6
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I think the current models probably do the reduction automatically. Mine from year 2005 does not. Instead the manual recommends you do the reduction manually. Sometimes I do, Sometimes I don't and just remove the contents when I see it's the right time.
Hard to believe my unit is this old but I have never had one problem with it.
For me It's one of those "this was a very good idea to purchase" items.
Hard to believe my unit is this old but I have never had one problem with it.
For me It's one of those "this was a very good idea to purchase" items.
jerrod6
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So what is the temperature fluctuation on that screen? It almost looks like 50 degrees
kb0nes
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Jerrod,
Indeed there is a wide variation in measured temperature due to the hysteresis in the control. Its not quite 50 deg F but close. I wonder if the radiation from the bake and broil elements was influencing the thermocouple which I had dead center in the oven cavity. I plan to re run the test but with some foil radiation shields above and below the thermocouple.
Indeed there is a wide variation in measured temperature due to the hysteresis in the control. Its not quite 50 deg F but close. I wonder if the radiation from the bake and broil elements was influencing the thermocouple which I had dead center in the oven cavity. I plan to re run the test but with some foil radiation shields above and below the thermocouple.
I like the way this is going
That Fluke meter is cool--I inherited a Fluke Ohm meter from my dad that I love. It is interesting seeing all the feedback on these ovens and everyone's expereinces with them.
One other gripe with my KA range is the control panel is ubber sensitive--you can just brush up against it cleaning or leaning and before you know it you have set it to do "something" you did not want it to do! We usually lock it out. On the old oven you really have to press the pad to get it going--under most circumstances you would not accidently turn it on.
That Fluke meter is cool--I inherited a Fluke Ohm meter from my dad that I love. It is interesting seeing all the feedback on these ovens and everyone's expereinces with them.
One other gripe with my KA range is the control panel is ubber sensitive--you can just brush up against it cleaning or leaning and before you know it you have set it to do "something" you did not want it to do! We usually lock it out. On the old oven you really have to press the pad to get it going--under most circumstances you would not accidently turn it on.
magic_clean
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It's
desirable to have a certain amount of temperature swing to achieve good browning results when baking and roasting.
desirable to have a certain amount of temperature swing to achieve good browning results when baking and roasting.
redcarpetdrew
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To be sensitive or not to be...
They're designed to be that way for customers who have a hard time activating those keypads due to problems with their hands. Good or not, marketing rules the designs more than the engineers do. As for techs having a say in anything, well... we always get to sit outside in the waiting room.
RCD
They're designed to be that way for customers who have a hard time activating those keypads due to problems with their hands. Good or not, marketing rules the designs more than the engineers do. As for techs having a say in anything, well... we always get to sit outside in the waiting room.
RCD
Phil, it might be interesting to put the thermocouple inside a covered metal pan without it touching any surface to get an idea of the stability of the temperature during a period of oven operation without radiant heat from the elements affecting it. I'm thinking of when your brother first tried a freezer alarm in his frostless freezer. It would go off during defrost, but when the sensor was placed in a container of water, the ice did not vary in temperature during the defrost periods.
Seems to be a contradiction to have a self-cleaning oven & n
I agree completely. These new ovens are a joke. Hidden bake element in our new oven, so must pre-heat for 30 minutes. Such a waste of electricity, not to mention the nice fan that will blow the heat into an already warm kitchen in order to save the computer circuitry from frying. We can not use the self-cleaning system, or it will fry the computer circuits. And owner's manual says to use mild soap and water to clean the interior of the oven. As IF! Can not use oven cleaners or the oven paint finish is destroyed. They don't make 'em like they used to.
@mitch - I'm sorry you hate your glass top stove. We have an induction cooktop and absolutely love it. Spills clean up so easily, cast iron is not a problem. It is the best thing in our kitchen.
I agree completely. These new ovens are a joke. Hidden bake element in our new oven, so must pre-heat for 30 minutes. Such a waste of electricity, not to mention the nice fan that will blow the heat into an already warm kitchen in order to save the computer circuitry from frying. We can not use the self-cleaning system, or it will fry the computer circuits. And owner's manual says to use mild soap and water to clean the interior of the oven. As IF! Can not use oven cleaners or the oven paint finish is destroyed. They don't make 'em like they used to.
@mitch - I'm sorry you hate your glass top stove. We have an induction cooktop and absolutely love it. Spills clean up so easily, cast iron is not a problem. It is the best thing in our kitchen.
Luck push
Well the weather is finally warm enough to open windows to allow the self-cleaning fumes to go outside. I am running the self-clean cycles on the little, old KA oven as it needs cleaning badly! I took the default cycle of 3.5 hours. Let's hope I do not burn up any boards or circuits!
Oh, I am trying the trick of placing the chrome racks covered in oven cleaner in a black trash bag sealed up in the sun. First time I have tried this--hope it works! I will reply back with the results if anyone is interested.
Thanks,
Mitch
Well the weather is finally warm enough to open windows to allow the self-cleaning fumes to go outside. I am running the self-clean cycles on the little, old KA oven as it needs cleaning badly! I took the default cycle of 3.5 hours. Let's hope I do not burn up any boards or circuits!
Oh, I am trying the trick of placing the chrome racks covered in oven cleaner in a black trash bag sealed up in the sun. First time I have tried this--hope it works! I will reply back with the results if anyone is interested.
Thanks,
Mitch
Of course we're interested! Looking forward to your report.
Good news/bad news
Well, well. The results are a mixed bag. I have good news and bad news to report.
The good:
Placing the oven racks soaked in oven cleaner in a black plastic trash bag in the sun worked better than I ever imagined! I left the racks outside for about 4 hours and the grime literally just melted off leaving bright, shiny chrome!! Awesome way to do this-my new method!
The oven is a whole lot cleaner than it was! I did not even take a “before” picture as it would be too embarrassing to post for the world to see! I did have to get a scrub pad and my old school Bon Ami out to help when the cycle completed.
Electronics appear to be okay!!
The bad:
Oven did not come as clean as I would have liked. It was a 3.5 hour cycle and perhaps I should have gone longer or another cycle as a follow up.
The very bad! I have damage on the oven floor! There is a pitted section where the lining has chipped off—it is almost like a divot. The enamel is also cracking! Fine cracks in some sections—not sure if the camera will pick that up. I do not know if it was like that prior to running the self-clean cycle or if the damage was already in place. Not sure what to do about this, or if there is anything I could do for repair. The floor appears to be part of the entire liner.
I believe this oven is at least 10 years old and we use it all the time. We cook—I mean we cook! Ovens are used many times a week and long hours on a typical weekend. This little oven is always the “go to” oven as it cooks great and the temp is always spot on. I am not sure if the amount of use or this past cleaning cycle damaged it. We will use this oven until it is worn completely out! I probably share in the blame for letting it go so long without cleaning!
First picture shows what she looked like after completion of cycle.
Well, well. The results are a mixed bag. I have good news and bad news to report.
The good:
Placing the oven racks soaked in oven cleaner in a black plastic trash bag in the sun worked better than I ever imagined! I left the racks outside for about 4 hours and the grime literally just melted off leaving bright, shiny chrome!! Awesome way to do this-my new method!
The oven is a whole lot cleaner than it was! I did not even take a “before” picture as it would be too embarrassing to post for the world to see! I did have to get a scrub pad and my old school Bon Ami out to help when the cycle completed.
Electronics appear to be okay!!
The bad:
Oven did not come as clean as I would have liked. It was a 3.5 hour cycle and perhaps I should have gone longer or another cycle as a follow up.
The very bad! I have damage on the oven floor! There is a pitted section where the lining has chipped off—it is almost like a divot. The enamel is also cracking! Fine cracks in some sections—not sure if the camera will pick that up. I do not know if it was like that prior to running the self-clean cycle or if the damage was already in place. Not sure what to do about this, or if there is anything I could do for repair. The floor appears to be part of the entire liner.
I believe this oven is at least 10 years old and we use it all the time. We cook—I mean we cook! Ovens are used many times a week and long hours on a typical weekend. This little oven is always the “go to” oven as it cooks great and the temp is always spot on. I am not sure if the amount of use or this past cleaning cycle damaged it. We will use this oven until it is worn completely out! I probably share in the blame for letting it go so long without cleaning!
First picture shows what she looked like after completion of cycle.
norgeway
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Thats the same problem...
Westinghouse and Hotpoint had in the 50s, the enamel would get so hot it would crack and craze and then you got rust next, Admiral kind of solved the problem with there oven by using a stainless steel oven bottom, but they all had dropped the feature by the late 50s.
Westinghouse and Hotpoint had in the 50s, the enamel would get so hot it would crack and craze and then you got rust next, Admiral kind of solved the problem with there oven by using a stainless steel oven bottom, but they all had dropped the feature by the late 50s.
The end
what a day! 5 loads of laundry, cleaned oven, replaced headlight on car, trip to grocery store and cooked dinner, then a last minute trip to Wal-Mart He%&!! We are tired! Oh, --I cut my hand replacing the headlight then got oven cleaner in the cut and that smarted pretty darned bad!!
what a day! 5 loads of laundry, cleaned oven, replaced headlight on car, trip to grocery store and cooked dinner, then a last minute trip to Wal-Mart He%&!! We are tired! Oh, --I cut my hand replacing the headlight then got oven cleaner in the cut and that smarted pretty darned bad!!
It looks very nice all cleaned up.
SC ovens no longer put the mullion element around the front of the liner to get the front part of the liner and the door clean. Note how the gasket ends at the bottom center of the oven to allow air to enter in a controlled fashion. That is why that portion does not get hot enough to clean without the mullion element. Now that you know what parts do not self clean, you can save yourself work by cleaning them before you start the SC process.
That damage probably happened to the floor long ago when something acid like a fruit pie dripped on it and of course, the intense heat over the years is damaging the porcelain. Even if the oven bottom gets so bad that you can see the heating element through the floor, you can just put a cookie sheet on the floor and use it for another decade or two.
Who's guarding the kitchen in the last picture?
SC ovens no longer put the mullion element around the front of the liner to get the front part of the liner and the door clean. Note how the gasket ends at the bottom center of the oven to allow air to enter in a controlled fashion. That is why that portion does not get hot enough to clean without the mullion element. Now that you know what parts do not self clean, you can save yourself work by cleaning them before you start the SC process.
That damage probably happened to the floor long ago when something acid like a fruit pie dripped on it and of course, the intense heat over the years is damaging the porcelain. Even if the oven bottom gets so bad that you can see the heating element through the floor, you can just put a cookie sheet on the floor and use it for another decade or two.
Who's guarding the kitchen in the last picture?
Thanks
Hey Tom that is funny you said that about the cookie sheet or some other piece of metal to put in the oven floor--I was thinking about that and wondering if it would work when the time came
That is Smudge, a rescue cat. I have had cats all of my life and this one is the best cat I have ever had--he is sweet! He is one cool, laid back cat. He just doesn't care! He prefers to be held like a baby.
Eugene--thanks for the encouragement! I certainly enjoyed your post on the new Frigidaire washing machine!
Harley-thanks for starting this thread!
Foxchapel--I would like to "play" with an induction cooktop to see for myself. When we redid the kitchen several years ago the induction cooktops were WAY out of my budget!!
Happy Eater--and oh yeah--I am baking a ham in the newly cleaned oven and just pulled it out to do the glaze and spilled juice all over the oven floor!! Confound it!!
Hey Tom that is funny you said that about the cookie sheet or some other piece of metal to put in the oven floor--I was thinking about that and wondering if it would work when the time came
That is Smudge, a rescue cat. I have had cats all of my life and this one is the best cat I have ever had--he is sweet! He is one cool, laid back cat. He just doesn't care! He prefers to be held like a baby.
Eugene--thanks for the encouragement! I certainly enjoyed your post on the new Frigidaire washing machine!
Harley-thanks for starting this thread!
Foxchapel--I would like to "play" with an induction cooktop to see for myself. When we redid the kitchen several years ago the induction cooktops were WAY out of my budget!!
Happy Eater--and oh yeah--I am baking a ham in the newly cleaned oven and just pulled it out to do the glaze and spilled juice all over the oven floor!! Confound it!!
Happy cooking! Happy Holiday!
What is a holiday without cooking? It is just that sort of acidic spill that causes the etching of the gloss and eventual deeper "divots" you were mentioning. My mother used to save the juice and syrups of canned fruits to use in her ham glazes so they were acidic. Between hams, the glaze, by then a very dark color was stored in a jar in the downstairs refrigerator sealed under an inch of protective fat. I found out that many people in Atlanta used a glaze based on Coca Cola for ham. Will you try to do a bit of spot cleaning on the spill after the holiday?
What is a holiday without cooking? It is just that sort of acidic spill that causes the etching of the gloss and eventual deeper "divots" you were mentioning. My mother used to save the juice and syrups of canned fruits to use in her ham glazes so they were acidic. Between hams, the glaze, by then a very dark color was stored in a jar in the downstairs refrigerator sealed under an inch of protective fat. I found out that many people in Atlanta used a glaze based on Coca Cola for ham. Will you try to do a bit of spot cleaning on the spill after the holiday?
iheartmaytag
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My new oven got a work out this weekend,
And it performed flawlessly. From Cheesecake, to Carrot cake, Ham, sweet potatoes, hash brown casserole, hot rolls, and carrot souffle'. Did the carrot cake yesterday, and the cheese cake on Thuesday so it had time to age. Other than that it started at 7:00 this morning with the whole ham getting started at 325 convect roast.
Mixed the bread, and the carrot souffle' this at about 10:00 had prepped the casserole, sweet potatoes last night. Ham came out about 11:45 to sit covered while the oven got loaded with two racks of breads, bottom rack had the Hash brown casserole, sweet potatoes, and souffle'. Worked the stove top with Green beans, corn and potatoes to mash.
Sliced the Ham, and sent the tray to the warming drawer, as the breads came out. Dinner was served at 1:00 straight up.
Mitch, my Maytag oven got pitted and grazed and it wasn't a hidden element. My former GE never did that, but have always had to clean outside the gasket by hand.
I will steam the oven tonight, just as a touch-up, actually survived all that cooking without a mess. No I can't believe it either. I actually didn't even boil over the candied sweet potatoes this time, and got the marshmellows perfectly browned.
As for clean-up, The Kitchenaid performed beautifully. Thirteen place setting, with serving bowls, two of the baking dishes, Desert plates, glasses, coffee cups, coffee maker, flatware (A certifiable Bob Load). Everything clean and dried in under two hours.
Final verdict, They are both keepers.
And it performed flawlessly. From Cheesecake, to Carrot cake, Ham, sweet potatoes, hash brown casserole, hot rolls, and carrot souffle'. Did the carrot cake yesterday, and the cheese cake on Thuesday so it had time to age. Other than that it started at 7:00 this morning with the whole ham getting started at 325 convect roast.
Mixed the bread, and the carrot souffle' this at about 10:00 had prepped the casserole, sweet potatoes last night. Ham came out about 11:45 to sit covered while the oven got loaded with two racks of breads, bottom rack had the Hash brown casserole, sweet potatoes, and souffle'. Worked the stove top with Green beans, corn and potatoes to mash.
Sliced the Ham, and sent the tray to the warming drawer, as the breads came out. Dinner was served at 1:00 straight up.
Mitch, my Maytag oven got pitted and grazed and it wasn't a hidden element. My former GE never did that, but have always had to clean outside the gasket by hand.
I will steam the oven tonight, just as a touch-up, actually survived all that cooking without a mess. No I can't believe it either. I actually didn't even boil over the candied sweet potatoes this time, and got the marshmellows perfectly browned.
As for clean-up, The Kitchenaid performed beautifully. Thirteen place setting, with serving bowls, two of the baking dishes, Desert plates, glasses, coffee cups, coffee maker, flatware (A certifiable Bob Load). Everything clean and dried in under two hours.
Final verdict, They are both keepers.
mrb627
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Pics
Can you post a pic of your range?
And how about a before and after if the oven steam clean cycle.
Malcolm
Can you post a pic of your range?
And how about a before and after if the oven steam clean cycle.
Malcolm
Awesome!!!!
You went the full deal with your meal! That sounds so good!! We did cherry glazed ham, baked sweet potatoes, mac & cheese, asparagus wrapped with bacon and stuffed with feta cheese and yeast rolls. Yes, I will be eating salad the rest of the week! I did spray 409 on the oven floor once it cooled enough and scrubbed out the mess! Just my luck, pristine clean oven and first time out make a big mess.
I know what you mean about Bob loads! The KA and the Kenmore have earned their keep today!
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread! I am with Mr. B--would love to see a picture of your new oven!!
You went the full deal with your meal! That sounds so good!! We did cherry glazed ham, baked sweet potatoes, mac & cheese, asparagus wrapped with bacon and stuffed with feta cheese and yeast rolls. Yes, I will be eating salad the rest of the week! I did spray 409 on the oven floor once it cooled enough and scrubbed out the mess! Just my luck, pristine clean oven and first time out make a big mess
.I know what you mean about Bob loads! The KA and the Kenmore have earned their keep today!
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread! I am with Mr. B--would love to see a picture of your new oven!!
iheartmaytag
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Here are some pics. Sorry had to use phone camera. Here's the stove.
iheartmaytag
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Here's the oven
I didn't take a before pic, but it was an great job. There were a few ham splatters that just curled up and wiped off. This was just a touch-up cleaning, but I am impressed.
I will try to get some better pics later.
I didn't take a before pic, but it was an great job. There were a few ham splatters that just curled up and wiped off. This was just a touch-up cleaning, but I am impressed.
I will try to get some better pics later.
iheartmaytag
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another pic
This one of the warming drawer
This one of the warming drawer
iheartmaytag
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and another
oven, sorry about the glair.
oven, sorry about the glair.
Good looking range!
That is one nice looking range and appears to offer all sorts of nice features! Looks like the right front burner offers three different sized heating "zones". I also count 5 burners--with their own individual control! Sweet!! I would like that for sure!!
Do you find you use the warming drawer much? I insisted we get that on the KA range and we have used it--not as much as I thought, but it certainly comes in handy with parties and holiday baking. Most of the time it is used as a storage drawer for cookie sheets, muffin tins and metal baking pans. Everything stacks and nests nicely so it can be removed in one swoop when the use of a warming drawer is needed. I think this is a feature that I would want on future ranges.
Oh--I have good luck with cleaning the top with a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser!! Of course for cooked on crud it is a different story
Thanks for posting your pictures!!
That is one nice looking range and appears to offer all sorts of nice features! Looks like the right front burner offers three different sized heating "zones". I also count 5 burners--with their own individual control! Sweet!! I would like that for sure!!
Do you find you use the warming drawer much? I insisted we get that on the KA range and we have used it--not as much as I thought, but it certainly comes in handy with parties and holiday baking. Most of the time it is used as a storage drawer for cookie sheets, muffin tins and metal baking pans. Everything stacks and nests nicely so it can be removed in one swoop when the use of a warming drawer is needed. I think this is a feature that I would want on future ranges.
Oh--I have good luck with cleaning the top with a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser!! Of course for cooked on crud it is a different story
Thanks for posting your pictures!!
mrb627
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GE Ranges
I have been looking at the GE Ranges, myself. My Kenmore Elite is about on its last legs. Ideally, I would prefer to go the induction route and eliminate the gas. But that may not be cost effective.
Thanks for posting the pics and your impressions.
Malcolm
I have been looking at the GE Ranges, myself. My Kenmore Elite is about on its last legs. Ideally, I would prefer to go the induction route and eliminate the gas. But that may not be cost effective.
Thanks for posting the pics and your impressions.
Malcolm
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