I stumbled on this article a few days ago, and thought it was interesting. Seven pages long, but worth the read.
Let me know what you think.
Let me know what you think.
Sexual Orientation and Hair Whorls
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Very interesting
That was a very interesting article. Lots of strange things that they studied though. I was checking all the signs for women on myself, even though I am not a lesbian. Just making sure I hadn't missed something.
My son (7 years old) has a double whorl (one going one way and one going another) and is ambidextrous. Maybe he will be Bi or gay. I don't care. Just as long as he is happy!
That was a very interesting article. Lots of strange things that they studied though. I was checking all the signs for women on myself, even though I am not a lesbian. Just making sure I hadn't missed something.
My son (7 years old) has a double whorl (one going one way and one going another) and is ambidextrous. Maybe he will be Bi or gay. I don't care. Just as long as he is happy!
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Interesting.
Gay men can be thought of as both more masucline AND more feminine at the same time.
AHA! EUREKA! No wonder society's overall attitude is "Go F yourselves".
"Honey I'm more of a man than you can hanndle and more of lady than she (points rudely) will EVER be...."
SNAP SNAP SNAP go the fingers in a "z" formation. LOL
Gay men can be thought of as both more masucline AND more feminine at the same time.
AHA! EUREKA! No wonder society's overall attitude is "Go F yourselves".
"Honey I'm more of a man than you can hanndle and more of lady than she (points rudely) will EVER be...."
SNAP SNAP SNAP go the fingers in a "z" formation. LOL
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Homosexuality.
Some people give it a whirl (whorl)!
Some people give it a whirl (whorl)!
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Mortifying!
My straight cousin came to the holiday table in his mother's dress and heels more than once. it was a laugh-riot!
I, on the other hand, would not be caught dead in that poor-quality s - - -. *LOL*
My straight cousin came to the holiday table in his mother's dress and heels more than once. it was a laugh-riot!
I, on the other hand, would not be caught dead in that poor-quality s - - -. *LOL*
The obsession with being a 'proper' man
which one finds in many Catholic cultures and, to an obscene extend in the christianist areas of the US is so pointless.
Straight men in central Europe are so much more relaxed and open to physical affection and flexibility in their gender roles (not talking about sex here) than you find in the repressed, hateful cultures the christianists have created.
It makes sense that Mother Nature would create a small but genetically persistent group of mammals with the physical strength of men and the brains of women - gays. Look at the roles which the gay dolphins and wolves fulfill and then look at the traditional roles gays fulfill - military, police, teaching, medicine, science.
I suspect a lot of the hostility towards gays and women stems from the knowledge on the part of many straight men that we have something they don't have.
which one finds in many Catholic cultures and, to an obscene extend in the christianist areas of the US is so pointless.
Straight men in central Europe are so much more relaxed and open to physical affection and flexibility in their gender roles (not talking about sex here) than you find in the repressed, hateful cultures the christianists have created.
It makes sense that Mother Nature would create a small but genetically persistent group of mammals with the physical strength of men and the brains of women - gays. Look at the roles which the gay dolphins and wolves fulfill and then look at the traditional roles gays fulfill - military, police, teaching, medicine, science.
I suspect a lot of the hostility towards gays and women stems from the knowledge on the part of many straight men that we have something they don't have.
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This article was fascinating, thanks for pointing me to it.
This research into the possible biology of sexual orientation is interesting, but as the article mentions, it raises some very troubling "what-if" scenarios.
In 1997 there was a movie called "The Twilight of the Golds", and its premise was that, in the near future, science had come up with a genetic fetal test to "detect" homosexuality. The film is an hour and a half of a Jewish family reacting like the pregnant woman was about to give birth to Rosemary's Baby, and arguing over whether she should terminate her pregnancy because it was likely the kid would be gay.
As outrageous and silly as it sounds, I don't think there's a shortage of people in the world who're so utterly homophobic that they wouldn't abort a gay fetus.
In 1997 there was a movie called "The Twilight of the Golds", and its premise was that, in the near future, science had come up with a genetic fetal test to "detect" homosexuality. The film is an hour and a half of a Jewish family reacting like the pregnant woman was about to give birth to Rosemary's Baby, and arguing over whether she should terminate her pregnancy because it was likely the kid would be gay.
As outrageous and silly as it sounds, I don't think there's a shortage of people in the world who're so utterly homophobic that they wouldn't abort a gay fetus.
Double crowned (whorls) not sure which direction they go.. one is sort of Alfalfa like and tends to stick up. I was told once by a great authority that double crowned people are highly intelligent and classically goodlooking with better than average physical prowess. I thought to myself upon hearing that that it made very good sense.
Jeff,
If I understand the research correctly, the whorl pattern is not influenced by how one combs or parts the hair.
It is true, tho, that deafness and left-handiness among gay first born males is statistically higher than among heterosexuals.
I wonder how long the christianists want to continue to pretend we are not genetically advantaged?
If I understand the research correctly, the whorl pattern is not influenced by how one combs or parts the hair.
It is true, tho, that deafness and left-handiness among gay first born males is statistically higher than among heterosexuals.
I wonder how long the christianists want to continue to pretend we are not genetically advantaged?
It's not just christianists. It's Christians. And Muslims and Jews. Their position, that homosexuality is a choice and therefore immoral, has already been thoroughly disproven. But it's the only way they can continue to justify their condemnation of it. If they admit it's genetic or biological in nature, their position suddenly becomes the moral equivalent of beating up disabled people.
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... amuzing conversation. Where do I fit with a shaved head? Of course, in my 20s I was devastated that I was loosing my hair ... especially being in the gay community. I wish I had a 'mentor' tell me, " ... who the fxxx cares; be yourself. You'll never please all the people all the time!" Did I know that inherently? Of course. Did I want to know that. Not on your sweet Axx.
Rob.
Rob.
ACH! (said Dr. Scott in the Zen room)
Damnit, Janet!
Finger length = straight. Fingerprints = straight. Hair whorl = straight. Hair length = gay. Voice pattern = no idea, let others tell. And I am having troubles touching my hypothalamus (YET that is - experiments are being diligently continued, as far as now using given/existing orifices only, I'll keep you posted)
Yet the majority of people say I am gay. One of my clients told me: "That was an easy one, you keep looking at guys' crotches" (and smiled very motherly).
;-))))
Joe
Damnit, Janet!
Finger length = straight. Fingerprints = straight. Hair whorl = straight. Hair length = gay. Voice pattern = no idea, let others tell. And I am having troubles touching my hypothalamus (YET that is - experiments are being diligently continued, as far as now using given/existing orifices only, I'll keep you posted)
Yet the majority of people say I am gay. One of my clients told me: "That was an easy one, you keep looking at guys' crotches" (and smiled very motherly).
;-))))
Joe
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*I did it for the money! HA! *
Still.... nothing beats a guy who has a ---- up his --- and another in his ----- and insists he ISN'T.
MARY, PLEASE
Yes when push comes to shove(pardon the expression), real men don't KISS; all else is possible!
Bottom line is this: put any two people in a room long enough and they'll - - - - .
Still.... nothing beats a guy who has a ---- up his --- and another in his ----- and insists he ISN'T.
MARY, PLEASE
Yes when push comes to shove(pardon the expression), real men don't KISS; all else is possible!
Bottom line is this: put any two people in a room long enough and they'll - - - - .
Clockwise whorl but left-handed. Hmm!!
Pete
Double crown whorls-gotta love 'em! Except with my son's hair, as soon as it starts to grow out it becomes Alfalfa hair sticking straight up.
My son is very intelligent, and I am not just saying that because I am his Mom! He taught himself how to get on the internet by age 2 1/2 (I had to spell things for him but he knew how to type). Full fledged reader by the age of 5. Just turned 7 and has known the names of all the states and their capitols. He also knows the state by their shapes. Extremely good speller and you only have to tell him once. He can write stories with accompaning pictures by himself. He is also a computer/video game whiz.
Now that I am done singing my son's praises, I wish to say that I read the messages from this group everyday. I don't participate much (because I don't really collect much other than electric popcorn poppers). I really love everyone's honesty and ability to help others. Almost everyone seems like they are a wonderful person.
Double crown whorls-gotta love 'em! Except with my son's hair, as soon as it starts to grow out it becomes Alfalfa hair sticking straight up.
My son is very intelligent, and I am not just saying that because I am his Mom! He taught himself how to get on the internet by age 2 1/2 (I had to spell things for him but he knew how to type). Full fledged reader by the age of 5. Just turned 7 and has known the names of all the states and their capitols. He also knows the state by their shapes. Extremely good speller and you only have to tell him once. He can write stories with accompaning pictures by himself. He is also a computer/video game whiz.
Now that I am done singing my son's praises, I wish to say that I read the messages from this group everyday. I don't participate much (because I don't really collect much other than electric popcorn poppers). I really love everyone's honesty and ability to help others. Almost everyone seems like they are a wonderful person.
Only one's hairdresser knows for sure...
"That was an easy one, you keep looking at guys' c
I try so hard not to, but catch myself out every time. If they are a distance away I can have a good peek without giving it away. Wearing sunglasses helps, but I usually don't. Once they get up close I do the eye contact and masculin handshake thingy and then, as soon as they look away, what do I do? Of course, I try to be quick and discrete, but I know they catch me (almost) every time. Dang!
Now, Jeff, I wholeheartedly agree with your comment regarding the judaic religions. There is no need to differentiate between christianists and christians. The judaic religions are primarily responsible for the global cultural cringe regarding human sexuality and, in particular, homosexuality. By and large they are hostile to us and any form of sexual expression that deviates from their perceived norm of heterosexuality. One can not ignore that fact even if there are break-away denominatoins that are seemingly more accepting on the surface. Though, I suspect that even there, if one were to scratch the surface and push the issue hard enough, true acceptance would vanish very quickly. It is easy to bestow collective pity and charity on a 'minority' of poor unfortunates. Especially when this is dispensed from the lofty hights of judaic morality.
Let us briefly look at Papua New Guinea. Ritualized and general homosexuality have always been part of the many tribes that live there. Whilst heterosexual and procreative sexual relations were always the norm, men would freely and commonly engage in ritualized and regular homosexual sex and relations. Pre the introduction of Western values there was no social stigma attached to homosexuality there. A couple of studies were done on this some time back and it has been observed that, over the last twenty years, there has been a significant increase in negative attitudes towards homosexuality amongst non-urban and, particularly, young tribal people. It is thought that the increased spread of and exposure to Western social norms and the strong presence of christian missionaries, in remote parts of that country, are responsible. Twenty years isn't a long time, when one considers and assumes that for most of Papua's human history, homosexuality was an accepted part of regular life. Homosexuality is illegal in Papua New Guinea. How long that has been the case I don't know, but suspect that this is fundamentally due to Western (christian) influences, education and socialization of the ruling elite.
I wanted to say more on this, but something has come up and will have to get back later.
The linked article is very interesting and touches on a whole range of important issues. Thanks for posting!
rapunzel
I try so hard not to, but catch myself out every time. If they are a distance away I can have a good peek without giving it away. Wearing sunglasses helps, but I usually don't. Once they get up close I do the eye contact and masculin handshake thingy and then, as soon as they look away, what do I do? Of course, I try to be quick and discrete, but I know they catch me (almost) every time. Dang!
Now, Jeff, I wholeheartedly agree with your comment regarding the judaic religions. There is no need to differentiate between christianists and christians. The judaic religions are primarily responsible for the global cultural cringe regarding human sexuality and, in particular, homosexuality. By and large they are hostile to us and any form of sexual expression that deviates from their perceived norm of heterosexuality. One can not ignore that fact even if there are break-away denominatoins that are seemingly more accepting on the surface. Though, I suspect that even there, if one were to scratch the surface and push the issue hard enough, true acceptance would vanish very quickly. It is easy to bestow collective pity and charity on a 'minority' of poor unfortunates. Especially when this is dispensed from the lofty hights of judaic morality.
Let us briefly look at Papua New Guinea. Ritualized and general homosexuality have always been part of the many tribes that live there. Whilst heterosexual and procreative sexual relations were always the norm, men would freely and commonly engage in ritualized and regular homosexual sex and relations. Pre the introduction of Western values there was no social stigma attached to homosexuality there. A couple of studies were done on this some time back and it has been observed that, over the last twenty years, there has been a significant increase in negative attitudes towards homosexuality amongst non-urban and, particularly, young tribal people. It is thought that the increased spread of and exposure to Western social norms and the strong presence of christian missionaries, in remote parts of that country, are responsible. Twenty years isn't a long time, when one considers and assumes that for most of Papua's human history, homosexuality was an accepted part of regular life. Homosexuality is illegal in Papua New Guinea. How long that has been the case I don't know, but suspect that this is fundamentally due to Western (christian) influences, education and socialization of the ruling elite.
I wanted to say more on this, but something has come up and will have to get back later.
The linked article is very interesting and touches on a whole range of important issues. Thanks for posting!
rapunzel
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