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When Martha and Mark moved over here, there was a cheap Eureka Boss in the apartment that they rented. When that died, the landlady told her "I don't provide vacuums-that must have been left by the last tenant."

So Martha has been talking to me (of course) about what vac to get. She is going to be moving upstairs to a larger unit soon and wants a better machine. She likes using my Kirby G3. She had a Kirby Legend back in Saint Paul and likes the Kirby quality and the G3 power drive (the Legend was a b*tch to push). Since then she has been exposed to the newer cheap plastic uprights, she found she likes having a hose attached to the back. Martha may be a Virgo, but she hates cleaning, so she likes these little shortcuts.

Yesterday I went out to see what is available for her. My first stop is an independant shop here called Discount Sewing and vacuum. I'm not so sure what they mean by discount as the prices I saw made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. It is a very cool shop in that they have a huge variety of new and reconditioned vacs from every manufactor. I saw a reconditioned model R EElectrolux for $184. They had a Concept One priced at $339 (I swooned) just to give you an idea... As I looked I could see that the vacuum I want and what Martha wants is gonna be two different things. The plastic vacuums all seem so cheesy. Every upright there that had the hose built on the back seemed so flimsy I couldn't stand it. Even that new Royal Powercast seemed rather poor. There were a few bright spots. They had a machine called the Harmony (I think). It looked like an old Hoover or Silver King Upright, all metal, brand new for $399. No hose on the back of that one though. There also was a nice looking Koblenz all-metal upright-again a trditional direct air machine with no hose. They also had the traditional Royal direct air machines, as well as rebuilt Kirbys and Eurekas. So by the time I had looked around a while, the salesmen started pestering me and when I told them I was shopping for a friend, they quit giving me any real answers to my questions.

So I crossed Ho'ohana St. to visit the Kirby Dealer, just to see. Thier least expensive machine was a Kirby Classic for $199. No way in hell is Martha gonna push one of those beasts around, so you have to skip up to the rebuilt G3 for $799. And of course with Kirby you get a shampooer, which you must purchase separatly with any other machine. I also found out that a new Kirby is retailing for @ $1700, depending on how quickly you cave in to the salesman. The sales of new Kirby can only be conducted in the home. The nice thing about a brand new machine is that you would get the rebuild and fire warranties. A rebuilt machine would be alright too, I'm sure. (after all, I drive a rebuilt Kirby!)

After all that I stopped at Sears. I really don't want Martha to buy a machine from Sears for several reasons, but just wanted to look. The best looking plastic machines I saw were the Kenmore Progressive Uprights-they seemed sturdier than the rest. I did not bother looking at Dyson. They are too expensive for what you get and I think the tool set-up on them is funky with its attached wand.

I still think Martha should have a powerful direct air upright and a small canister as a companion, but I fear she has been spoiled by the convience the cheap vacs offer. I have even considered giving her my G3, if I could just get my hands on a decent small older Kirby with the cloth bad and sani-emptor. Otherwise I only have my Compact with no powernozzle.

Maybe we should check flEabay
 
Maybe I can help

Partscounterman,

If you would like, I have a friend who has a vac shop in central PA and he has quite a few rebuilt Kirby's in the G line. I can tell him what you are looking for and see what he has, however, is the shipping to HI prohibitive?

If it is, I guess then ebay is the best thing and just check the seller's feedback. I have done well and not so well buying vacuums on ebay.

Charlie
 
I got tired

of buying cheap plastic vacuums and having to replace them every couple of years. I may be in the minority here, but I'm totally soured on Eurekas because of that.

Anyhoo, what I did was go out and buy a used Electrolux upright on Ebay, figuring it's going to be the last vac I buy. Granted, there's a lot of plastic on it, but the thing is still very substantial. And it does a nice job.

It's not self-propelled (thank goodness--I'm a control freak) which means Mom could never use it, but that's okay by me.

I can't bring myself to pay those prices for a new vacuum cleaner. It's not like it's something I'm going to use every day, after all. No, the planets have to be in a certain alignment and the moon in a certain phase before I'll even consider vacuuming. And that only happens once or twice a year.

On the other hand, I'd pay a lot more for a vintage vacuum than I would for a new one. Those Constellations and old Kenmores are way cool. Not to mention my personal fave, the Sunbeam 635 (638?) electric broom.

And never underestimate the joy of having a small, short-haired doggie!

veg
 
Charlie-

I'm sure shipping would not be cheap, but then nothing is cheap around here either.

Maybe I will just give her my G3 and hope an older (say a 500 series) machine comes into my life somehow, although Dennis may have something to say about that! We only have 3 area rugs in this small apartment so I could get by with my straight suction Compact. I really like the idea of the older shake-out bag as I find I like to see how much dirt I pick up. Martha may be hell-bent on buying a new plastic POS anyway.

I will speak to her some more to define just what it is she is looking for.

Thanks for your help Charlie!
David
 
Those used prices you quoted sound astronomical even for Hawaii. I don't think I've paid more than $20 Cdn..thats about $15 US for any of my 2nd handers. I use the Legend II almost daily and don't find it heavy to push at all, in fact it glides along better than all the rest except for my Hoover self propelled. Could it be Miss Martha had the nozzle set too low and just didn't realize it. Some people are like that.
For a new machine with attached hose etc I bought a cheap Panasonic for the woman who cleans our offices and I bought the better model up Panasonic for SIL, it's a very nice machine, fairly quiet with really easy to use/quick draw hose and attachments. SIL really likes it. Even though the Panasonics are plastic they appear to be well constructed and not flimsy like some of the other makes. Oh forgot, I also bought my mom one of the basic model Panasonic uprights as well and she likes it because it's light and there's no fussy buttons, levers etc . She likes things simple.
 
A quick trip to ebay proved to me that the local dealers have rocks in thier head. Can get newer Kirbys there for around $250-350

By the way, how are most of you cleaning carpets these days? I've always like Kirby Shampoo, but also like using dry "Capture" cleaner since there is so little down time. Are the new steam vacs all they are cracked up to be?
 
Oh and Veg...

Just what is so special about the Sunbeam Vac model you mentioned?

I had a Sunbeam stick vac when I was a kid. It was called the Touch and Go or something like that. The whole machine was a single piece of aqua blue plastic and it had a revolving brush roll, about 6 inches wide. Perfect for carpeted stairs. Have never seen one again. ever. Wish I had a picture.

David
 
Dunno. It's just one of those things I saw that struck me and I have to have it. The same thing happened with the Singer Futura II and the Kia Sportage. I'll look for a picture of the Sunbeam and scan it in.

I saw a Touch 'N Go on ebay a while back. Didn't do a thing for me, but it's an interesting piece of engineering. Consumer Reports didn't like it, but I don't understand that, as that revolving brush must have done a decent job.

In all my time checking ebay, I've only seen one Sunbeam 63X and it was missing the Sunbeam logo so I didn't bid on it.

veg
 
David, I love your term Touch and Go. The early Hoover self-propelled vacs should have been called Hit and Run for what they did to furniture in some users' hands. One had beautiful furniture with bases that curved down to the floor and she could not stop the monster from running up to them and hitting the wood with the beater bar. She was far too timid a driver for that machine and she was almost too weak to push it with the drive disengaged. That's my problem, my drive is disengaged.
 
Re carpet shampooers. I'm on my second..had a Bissell canister first but it was so cumbersome to use it drove me crazy. Now I have a Hoover SteamVac for about 3 years now and am happy with it. It's cleaned up a lot of puppy messes
 
I use the Kirby Shampooer on my G4. I like the soft texture it gives the carpets, and the clean smell.
 
I have a Dirt Devil steam vac and it works okay, I guess. I don't think I've ever seen in person, a rug shampooer that works as well as it does in the commercials.

Also have that Hoover Floor-A-Matic, but old-school rug shampoo is hard to find, so I've not done any rugs with it.

I do like Capture, too. It works great on stains. And Home Depot always has free sample envelopes of it.

veg
 
I like the "Dry" carpet cleaners such as "Host,"Capture"etc-I also have a Host machine from a dealer that went out of business.I like the smell it leaves and how it actually dry cleans the carpets.For mine it took several "treatments" to get them clean.My Hoover "Steam Vac" now gathers dust in the corner. Use it now and then though.I did vacuum up the used Host powder with a Royal or Kirby vac outfitted with the cloth dump bag-the paper bags fill to quickly and the host powder causes them to come apart.
 
I can't believe I'm admitting this but....

For dry carpet cleaners, I like Dyson's ZORB. It has a coarser texture, so it doesen't clog up the vacuum bag so fast. The ZORB stuff seems alot like the HOST stuff to me.
I have also used capture, and for heavy duty stains, it works great.
I too own a Hoover Steam Vac, I use it more for spills and such, and it works great.
 
Other "Dry" carpet and rug cleaners-Yes-the Dyson "Zorb" and Sebo has a cleaner-forget its name-the new vac place out here has it-and a Sebo machine to work the material with-sort of like the "Host" machine.With any of these would suggest using the vac with a dump bag or bin while picking it up off the floor.The materials really eat up paper bags.Filtrete bags should work in picking up the stuff-since Filtrete matrial is a plastic and water proof.-a non woven fiber "cloth"??Got a pack of Miele bags for an older Miele-will try them.-should be better than the older paper bags.
 
I too love capture or zorb. They only thing is it does clog the vac bags quickly. WHen we do the carpets in the whole house in the fall, I use the electrolux to vacuum up the powder first, I use up about 5 lux bags because it fills and shuts off. once I am done with that I get the Dyson animal out and vacuum the entire house again and usually get a half container full of powder. We have a mainly white Karastan type carpet in our dining room and white and ligh blue wool flat braided rug in our fomal living room and both of these products work great on them.
 
Parunner58:Would it be better to use your Dyson vac to pick up the Zorb powder instead of the LuX-You wopuld go thru less bags-and if the bag in the Lux breaks from the powder-it could get into the Luxes motor causing damage.That is an observation I made when using "dry" carpet cleaners-they fill bags quickly and cause paper ones to fall apart.The dump bag or dump bin vacs would be better.You would have to empty the Dyson dust cup frequently though.I used a cloth dump bag on a Royal vac for mine.A dump bag Kirby should work as well.I would empty the spent powder into a trash bag.
 
So, David--what's Martha vacuuming with these days?

I just won on ebay a Sunbeam vac very similar to the 638, but green instead of blue and has the "automatic" switch (turns on when you lower the handle.)

It's not exactly what I wanted, but it'll do until the Real Thing comes along.

veg
 
Marthas new Vac...

After much soul searching, I decided to give Martha my Kirby Generation 3. After I told her about all what I found she told me she really wanted a Kirby. My house is so small that the Kirby is really more vacuum than I need. Also I talked to a buddy back in Minnesota and he says he will keep an eye out for an older, smaller Kirby for me.
 

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