Smeg just relased a dishwasher monster

[volsboy1]

Smeg dishwasher's I did not know much of anything about them, until I got mine.

I have to say it's the best new dishwasher I have ever used.My dishwasher has a speed cycle and it will clean everything is 45mins.Power,Fast and Clean dishes

The attention to detail in them is what I really like.

Now they have released a monster dishwasher that can clean and dry in 16 mins.

The motor is almost 3 H.P. 2000 watts ..

Here is the link I think Smeg is trying to knock on Miele door.

http://www.applianceretailer.com.au...dishwasher-first-fast-ferocious/#.U_0I_2NuJ8N

 

[a440]

Sounds Interesting

Here is a video I found on Youtube. I wish they had a video with a clear front and running.
Where are they selling these in the USA?

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_-JmJA3QM

 

[logixx]

The 2000 watts is the power draw of the pump <span style="text-decoration: underline;">including</span> the integrated heating element, then there are two additional 1800 watts heaters - so 5600 watts in total.

 

Miele's built-in Pro dishwashers even heat with 8500 watts plus approx. 400 watts for the pump - but they don't give cycle times for heavy soil.

 

[tolivac]

I would have to assume both the Smeg and Meile machines would need 208-240V to run them with their large motors and heaters-esp if the machine uses these at once.Sounds like they are bringing "barware" dishwashers to the home-these machines seem like the ones used in bars to wash the bar glasses and cups for fast turnarounds.

 

[DADoES]

3-Phase Power?

 
From the information at the link in the first post:  "For optimum performance, the semi-pro series dishwashers are hard wired to 3P power with a 60°C hot water connection."

I assume 3P means 3-phase.

 

[mrb627]

Safety...

That's a lot of power for a dishwasher with hidden controls and a surprise opening door at the end of the cycle for flash drying. Not a good fit for a household with small children, IMO.

Malcolm

 

[tolivac]

Yes,3P stands for a 3 phase power supply-so this machine is indeed intended for commercial use.As MRB627 pointed out the high temp would make this machine better for professional use-and those that understand its hazards-and with the Smeg machines high power use-doubt it would meet energy standards for household-resedentual use.

 

[henene4]

The washer can have 4 different setups:
1. 3-Phase, 5.6kW, 3 times 16 A.
2. Single Phase, 5.6kw, 1 time 32 A.
3. Single Phase, 3.5kw, 1 time 20 A.
4. Single Phase, 2.0kw, 1 time 16 A.
The cycle times increases of course with lower power.
The cycletimes, power/water consumption and hook-up options can be downloaded as PDF from the Australian Website.
The machine is avaible as fully integrated and semi intergrated.
What surprises me is the low noise level of 45dB.

 

[logixx]

Where's the safety issue?

 

[launderess]

Where's the safety issue?

A jury here awarded more than a few persons tens of millions because they ordered "hot" coffee and then claimed the beverage caused them harm. With that in mind it wouldn't be long before an American user of such a powerful DW claimed he or she suffered harm (burns?) and sues the pants of SMEG and or everyone involved with the purchase.

 

[mrb627]

Burns

Well, an adult should no better, but a small child could be badly burned through no fault of his/her own. A near silent dishwasher could be a ticking time bomb for anyone not in the KNOW of its quick heating and flash drying.

Even my Miele has caught a couple people off guard as they think it isn't operating and go to open it too quickly.

Malcolm

 

[logixx]

The hottest this dishwasher gets is 158F during the final rinse. Many dishwashers get as hot or hotter - LGs in Europe have a 176F final rinse.

 

I looked up the manual for the HygienePlus built-in from Miele. The final rinse can be adjusted up to 200F. The dishwasher can be opened, but the display will show a warning that must be confirmed. 

 

As for self-opening doors: most brands here have that now - even the 200F Miele Pro that I talked about (though the manual makes it sound like the door only auto-opens once the internal temp has dropped to 153F after the drying cycle).

 

As far as suing goes: I wonder if I could sue Whirlpool because I cut myself on the sharp knives that I loaded into the bottom rack's cutlery basket, while climbing inside the tub to touch the exposed heating element immediately after the drying cycle...

 

 

 

 

 

[jeffg]

Nice units imo but I implore them to never start any model numbers with MA.

 

[aldspinboy]

Hey Wes and everyone GoooDmorninG,
I had a GAGGENAU / SMEG built Dishwasher in 1992 Until 2001.

It was cold water feed and one of the best water sounding machines that I ever heard.
Cleaned very well and yes the times are longer.
This is where I learned early on salt systems ,
and cold water running machines.
If today I bought a european dishwasher it would be cold water feed machine.
I like the advantage of true temps.
This machine was before Gaggenau went with Bosch/ Siemens systems.

At the last job was a pro Miele, cleaned in 10 min at a temp at 130 f .. basically coffee cups and small dishes.
The calrods in the pics below can tell you it can heat fast up to 170 f.
Also a cold water feed pro dishwasher at or display at the store.
Both dishwashers had the upper rack funnel water feed systems, which can be a bit noisy.
Thanks for posting Wes.

Darren k

 

[dj-gabriele]

That's hardly something new on the market!
It's been on sale here since early 2012 in two models, integrated and all stainless-steel clad in free-standing.

http://www.smeg.it/prodotto/stp364/
http://www.smeg.it/prodotto/lp364x/

As far as the energy rating goes, both machine achieve an A++ rating which is almost the best you could get today in the ECO mode while manage to use just over 1,4 kWh in the quick 16 minutes intensive cycle, which is something nobody else could achieve in a program so quick that can actually clean dishes.
If the machine is used in a classic, power limited way (230V 1Phase), the cycle times get longer by 10-20 minutes depending if hooked to hot or cold water but this way the machine can be used everywhere in the world of 230V.

PS: "A jury here awarded more than a few persons tens of millions because they ordered "hot" coffee and then claimed the beverage caused them harm."

This could only happen in the USA!
As the machine doesn't get any warmer nor has chopping blades or exposed heaters is not inherently more dangerous than a classic dishwasher, it is simply faster because of the more powerful pump and heater.
Go figure, at the end of the cycle the door can even open itself automatically to aid in quickly dry the dishes, so it surely isn't dangerous at all!

Volsboy: enjoy your SMEG machine! In my experience no other can attain better cleaning results.

 

[jerrod6]

Yes I agree.  This suing could only happen in the USA where some of us don't seem to want to take responsibility for anything.  This is why water heaters are set to 120F so no one can burn themselves while using hot water.  Duh - its hot water.  Growing up we had hot water generated by a coil in our boiler so in the winter the water in the boiler was 180F.  No one,  not even me as a kid got a bad burn.

 

My current DW has a cheese cycle that uses 170F water for at least an hour.  Never been burned by using this either, and  It has a door lock you can use to prevent it from opening when running so I can't see any danger in a DW using temperatures this high.  The danger comes from the people using it.

 

I agree that you will never see this machine at Home Depot or Lowes.  Not much chance of buying this in the USA. 

 

 

 

[volsboy1]

I have used Bosch,Miele,Asko and a few other high end dishwashers and none of them save for Miele cleans as well as my Smeg

dishwasher.

The one thing that makes the Smeg the winner is cost.Smeg dishwashers are not cheap but when compared to Miele

I have a dishwasher that is made just as well and cleans great every-time and does not take all day to do it.

My Smeg is also my cabinets,I load the dishes in there and leave them until I am ready for them.

I got it because it was such a good deal but I never expected to like it so much and even having a filter in it

it is never dirty.

 

[jerrod6]

What model smeg do you have and where did you buy it?

 

[stricklybojack]

The original MacDonalds hot coffee lawsuit..

was not as crazy as it sounds, you need to look it up. The woman who sued was given coffee 60 degrees hotter than what is usually made at home. She was not the only one burned, many others were scalded and required medical attention as well. How bad could a coffee burn be? Consider as a passenger and while parked, she placed the coffee between her thighs to add sugar and burned her crotch severely. Medical bills and lawyer fees, ate up much of her award. They made the coffee extra hot at the drive through thinking people were going to have it later on as it was in no way drinkable at the temperature at the point of sale.
As my lawyer uncle once said of jury decisions, "they are composed of twelve average people who came to the same conclusion...most likely you would have too presented with the full story as they were."