3beltwesty
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RONIC; RE "I'm not sure about Europe, but I can tell you that it isn't the manufacturers here that get rewarded.
We can still buy old style top loaders if we want them...but consumers generally get a rebate from their council if they buy a machine that is rated at 4 star or better for water usage (which is about 11 litres per kilogram of clothes - so a 6kilogram machine could use 66 litres and qualify)
That way, consumer pressure forces manufacturers to do the job properly or we don't buy their machines....
A much better interpretation of a free market really "
In the usa the tax rebate to the maker is social engineering by the clueless government. To get the energy star label in 201X year means hitting certain water saving levels.
Washer here have a yellow tag to tell on the electric cost; but the governent is too stupid to publish actual water amount used; the criteria they dictate who gets the big tax break.
ie they are morons. In many places the waters cost is higher than the electricity used; they measure them but do not publish this data.
Thus washer A might use XY liters and be marked AB dollars in electricity.
Washer B might use 98 percent of XY and fail the criteria and thus costs one 200 to 300 dollars more since unit has no tax kackback. Both use the same amount of electricity; or unit A might use 20 percent more too.
It means the washer models are constantly varied to meet the tax kickback criteria. All the same washer tubs that a few months ago were 4.0 to 4.6 cuft are now in the 3.5 to 4 regions since the criteria changed yet again.
In the old days one had the actual water level consumed in gallons in specs; one could use ones own head to judge ones needs. Today the government supports units that use less water with a tax kickback so the units cost is less. They too do NOT state the actual water used on the YELLOW tag; they hold the data so to add confusion. ie they are stupid. Thus one cannot compare two units on the floor that both have tax credits. They hide the water usage; they hide the total cycle time. Typical government waste.
Thus a buyer really just buys with price and name brand. The government has the test data; but is too stupid to publish it. They give us the electricity used; the lessor factor as far as our costs to run the washer.
***The current lame usa system could be improved; ie publish the actual data on the water used on each washer. Also publish the cycle time too.
We can still buy old style top loaders if we want them...but consumers generally get a rebate from their council if they buy a machine that is rated at 4 star or better for water usage (which is about 11 litres per kilogram of clothes - so a 6kilogram machine could use 66 litres and qualify)
That way, consumer pressure forces manufacturers to do the job properly or we don't buy their machines....
A much better interpretation of a free market really "
In the usa the tax rebate to the maker is social engineering by the clueless government. To get the energy star label in 201X year means hitting certain water saving levels.
Washer here have a yellow tag to tell on the electric cost; but the governent is too stupid to publish actual water amount used; the criteria they dictate who gets the big tax break.
ie they are morons. In many places the waters cost is higher than the electricity used; they measure them but do not publish this data.
Thus washer A might use XY liters and be marked AB dollars in electricity.
Washer B might use 98 percent of XY and fail the criteria and thus costs one 200 to 300 dollars more since unit has no tax kackback. Both use the same amount of electricity; or unit A might use 20 percent more too.
It means the washer models are constantly varied to meet the tax kickback criteria. All the same washer tubs that a few months ago were 4.0 to 4.6 cuft are now in the 3.5 to 4 regions since the criteria changed yet again.
In the old days one had the actual water level consumed in gallons in specs; one could use ones own head to judge ones needs. Today the government supports units that use less water with a tax kickback so the units cost is less. They too do NOT state the actual water used on the YELLOW tag; they hold the data so to add confusion. ie they are stupid. Thus one cannot compare two units on the floor that both have tax credits. They hide the water usage; they hide the total cycle time. Typical government waste.
Thus a buyer really just buys with price and name brand. The government has the test data; but is too stupid to publish it. They give us the electricity used; the lessor factor as far as our costs to run the washer.
***The current lame usa system could be improved; ie publish the actual data on the water used on each washer. Also publish the cycle time too.
