So why exactly are Direct Drive machines no longer made?

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I'm really curious about this and reading conflicting reports. It seems these types of machines have not been manufactured since 2011-2012 for U.S consumers? They seem like they were great machines and I have had no issues working on mine. Can anyone shed some insight as to why these machines are not being made today? Were there ever "HE" versions of DD washers available?
 
Simple answers: too much government intervention/regulation, cheap and careless consumers/costumers, and corporate greed is why those machines are no longer being made sad but true.

There have been more issues with the Whirlpool VMW design in terms of reliability and serviceability than there ever was with the direct drive design and technically the VMW has been around since the 90’s but Whirlpool cheapened it so much to the point it doesn’t even hold up 5 years.
 
If the government regulations changed, couldn't manufactures adapt? I wonder what changed in 2012 then. Does this have something to do with why there is no water control switch anymore?
 
 
I don't think government regulations are the cause.  There are VMW models that run a full/deep fill, including the commercial Maytag & Whirlpool models that don't have load sensing (AFAIK) or a water level control with multiple settings ... the only choice is a 1/2-ish fill (even if washing one or two items) or a Deep Wash full fill.  And the Speed Queen TC5 which has the same (lack of) fill choices.  Various GE, LG, and Samsung impeller models can do deep fills.  So, it seems to me that water usage restrictions about which so many howl and complain isn't really a thing in topload washer design (except regards to the so-called "Normal" cycle which is the basis for EnergyStar testing).

I think a factor, as I heard going around, is the casting molds for direct-drive transmissions housings (and presumably gears) were deteriorated, and Whirlpool didn't want to invest in making new molds, along with the inherent costs of producing the transmissions and other drive components.  VMWs are a much simpler and presumably less-costly design, which allows for keeping the production costs under some degree of control to attain price-points that consumers can handle.  Notice the Speed Queen TC5 is much more expensive.

There were two revision efforts of which I'm aware toward the end of DD models to garner some reduction on water usage --
1) Automatic water level sensing.  However, selecting Softener Rinse and/or 2nd/Extra Rinse triggered both rinses to be deep fills regardless of the load size, and opening the lid during the sensing process aborted it and went to a full fill for the wash.
2) Some models toward the end had an additional hidden water level control in the rinse fill circuit that restricted the rinse to a fixed low level.
 
The Amana has about 4 distinct fill levels it does. Normal/Regular fills the lowest and you won't get a hot wash..UNLESS you turn the cold side off and it will fill hot.

The interesting thing I've noticed with the Amana is that if you did a previous load with deep water on another cycle and then do a Normal load it will fill to the previous level which will be deeper. Usually takes a cycle to 2 to reset back to the low fill level.
 
^ and why can't the consumer just control the water level? I don't understand why we can't choose, especially with a small load. That saves water.
 
The Speed Queen TC5... that uses a lot of water, yet does not have an option for a small load. Why is that? Do they not want people washing small loads because it may end up actually using more water?
 
 
Vacerator, there are numerous WP/MT/Roper/Amana toploader (VMW) models that are belt-driven.  Eleven toploaders currently on WP's website are belt-drive per parts search.  Three are direct-drive (aka VMAX design).  One is not found for parts but based on the model probably is belt-drive.
 
VMV was

the belt drive Whirlpool mid size to 3.6 cu. ft. washers with the splutch gearcase. They replaced the large Calypso direct drive and Maytag Bravos XL drive system by combining the gearcase directly coupled to the motor.
 
 
VMW is Vertical Modular Washer, which is based on the portable/compact World Washer design.  It's belt-drive with a transmission which essentially functions as a torque converter, with a mode shifter to change between agitate (which is driven via the transmission gears) and spin (which is a coupling of the spin shaft to the transmission drive pulley).

VMAX is a reworking of VMW using direct-drive (Fisher & Paykel SmartDrive-type of motor) with the VMW-type of transmission and a mode shifter.

VMW did not replace the Calypso.  That was the Kenmore Oasis, Whirlpool Cabrio, and Maytag Bravos, which were originally direct-drive with the SmartDrive motor and F&P floating basket for spin/agitate shifting. VMAX is the replacement for that, which uses a mode shifter, no more floating basket.

Calypso was belt-drive (or is belt-drive, for those still in working order).
 
WPs DD Top Load Washers Were Built From 1981-2017

They stopped building them because of high production cost and they could not be easily built to spin fast enough.

 

They played around with getting them to use less hot water and less total water but it was an old design that needed to be replaced.

 

John L.
 
Guess it does have something to do with the fact that gerboxes are expensive to make.

So as there are now available  relatively  cheap

motors that can do an alternate back and forth they use these, not to mention a gearbox always tend to be  more noisy, even the quietest one.

 Also, water leaks can mess them badly, oil leaks can damage floors, and  rebuilding one Simply ain't so easy, and getting one NIB installed is sadly more than often so dear that is just not worth it for most. 

Wringer washers or agitator semi automatic machines, where they are still sold, also got rid of gearboxes.

And it appears that the new motors can actually give a good back and forth almost comparable to the one a gearbox of old gave. Not too long strokes or non sense.

I quite fancy these, if they made a modern automatic with this kind of washing action-agitation, good tub brake system, no dubbed temps and all the way fill I would definitely buy one even though it doesn't have a gearbox.

In my opinion:

Could be way cheaper to make than a TC5 and still wash well and give out what people want, perhaps give a faster spin too as it doesn't have to spin the oil filled transmission along with the tub.





 

Under the skirt, as simple as it gets:



 

 

[this post was last edited: 5/27/2021-13:07]
 
I'm quite impressed by the Amana I'm using now.Ive noticed with the different agitation speeds throughout wash it seems to have the best pull down on the medium speed with large loads. Would have been nice if they had a soil selector switch but hey I got them with my new home.
 
Patrick, yes. 

All these Koblenz  and "lavadoras redondas" in general have an alternating motor.

The newer koblenz have this spiralator agi indeed works Just like the one of the, easy.

Easy was very known in Mexico much that today you still find the Brand (rebranded stuff by Mabe IIRC) as it was big there! Probably more than it was in the US 

Guess folks demanded an agitator like the old easy machines and came up with this one in the new Koblenz 

 

The video got cartoons playing and kids in the background but machine sound is noticeable, anyway is very quiet..

The one with the whirlpool new surgilator-like agitator also is doing a good job to me.

There is more rollover with the spiralator as it is what the spiralator was famous for....
 
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