Some French classics

[foraloysius]

Looking at this machine I thought at first this was an American toploader. The name Lincoln Vaily Perfect didn't sound very French either. But in the end it appeared to be an H-axis toploader with an American styling.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Machine-a-laver-...yZ114981QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[foraloysius]

The second one is a Laden toploader in brown. Or would you call this coppertone?

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Lave-linge-LADEN...yZ114981QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[foraloysius]

The third is a Thomson, probably from the early eighties, a Thomson, a leading brand at that time in France.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/lave-linge-thoms...yZ114982QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[foraloysius]

Here's a topload dryer too. Most of them are condenser dryers, but this one is a vented one I think.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Seche-linge-BRAN...ryZ71254QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Oh...Louis!!! ))))

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! You know how much I like TLHA...the first one is really vintage...but is strange in the rotating manner of the drum... generally the EuroTL (specially the French one) are as we say long-and-narrow (lunghe e strette, 40-45cm wide and 60cm deep), so the drum should rotate bakc and forth as the other ones...but in this case in the same cabinet of a common EuroTL the drum rotates left-right as normal 60cm wide...so like my Ignis!

 

[gizmo]

Hi Louis

Is the Laden made by Philips? It looks a lot like my Philips machine. Inside, is very similar but it doesn't have the PM motor like the Philips. The motor in the Laden is larger and open at the front. Otherwise it is amost identical.

Chris.

 

[foraloysius]

Diomede,

I think the first one is just like the others, but they probably took the pictures of the drum from the side. At least that is what I am thinking. The machine doesn't look wide enough to hold the drum as the Ignis does.

Chris,

I found a Laden website, apparently it's a Whirlpool brand in France. So I guess it is a Philips, but I wouldn't know why they used a different motor in this one. BTW, how is your French? ;-)

Louis

http://www.laden.fr/html/index.php

 

[Unimatic1140]

Louis that French Lincoln is very COOL! I wonder when it was made? It looks like it's from around 1960.

 

[foraloysius]

Robert, I'm not an expert on these machines, but judging by the appearance one would say that the first machine is a 60's, the second a 70's and the third an 80's machine.

 

[mielabor]

Regarding the brown Laden machine:

This is the first time that I see a polished heating element , they apparently cleaned it every two years. How meticulous!

 

[gansky1]

The Lincoln is my favorite too, I like the tub mounted this way in the machine side-to-side rather than front-to-back.

Didn't we discuss at one time that the French market is/was pretty devoted to the top-load h-axis machines?

 

[foraloysius]

Greg,

Actually I think in this machine the tub is mounted front to back too, but they took the pictures from one side. The machine doesn't look wide enough (It is probably 40 or 45 cm wide like the other toploaders) to hold the drum from side to side.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

I suspect that..

Sorry Louis but the more I look at that Lincoln the more I aware that this might be a "rarity"...a washing machine like the other two but with the drum mounted to rotate left-right.

It doesn't matter if the machine is not wide enough...the drum will fit the same there inside a such narrow cabinet...it'll have so a different shape drum comparing with the other two (short diameter but long in depth, while the other are large in diameter but short in the lenght of the cylinder).

In past for French house the problem to solve was the make the washer become narrower...the way of drum rotating it was not so important...

The machine is 46cmW,61cmD,85/100cmH...why don't ask to the seller to solve our doubt?!

GOODBYE!
Diomede

 

[foraloysius]

Diomede,

My French isn't very good and besides that my eBay account was hijacked so eBay deleted it. But if you would do us the favour...

 

[vivalalavatrice]

And what about this?!

REALLY Vintage French automatic washin machine...and the little window seems to be a must in Frech TL washers..or it's oly the narrowest top opening I'v never seen!?!?!?

Have a look at the drum...rotates left-fight but I wouldn't assume that this machine width reaches 60cm...it'd be maximum 45-50cm...

BTW, I asked for that Lincoln...let's wait a feedback!

BYE
Diomede

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Tres-ancien-lave...ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Et voilà la vite reponse!

Here you are the answer to the question I forwarded to the seller...
The WINNER IS LOUIS! As the seller said the drum rotate back and forth as all the other French common TL, the pic probably (surely!) has been taken as Louis has suggested...by a side!

 

[mickeyd]

Hi Louis

Was going to ask if you had a peek at a "French" agitator, but on re-reading the thread, it looks like they're all H-axis. Enlightneing pix.

Love the "real old" one Diomede.

I wonder what a proper French agitator looks like. Il n'existe de plus--si jamais!?

 

[Unimatic1140]

Wow, that French machines is beautiful! It looks like it's missing its lid, unless it’s a lift of lid, but one could always use Plexiglas and a foam seal to make a new lid, which would be more fun anyway.

Here is my feeble attempt at translating this auction from French to English:

"Hello, we cannot say exactly how old this machine is and it is currently not working. The machine is entirely mechanical, it's equipped with a water heater and temperature control. The base is made out of cast iron thus it's a very heavy machine. It does seem complete. We are putting it up for sale because it is a rare conversation piece.

No Delivery except in local area but you pay for gas."

 

[foraloysius]

Oooh! What a beautiful machine. If I only had time, money and room! LOL

I think the lid is next to the machine on the ground. It looks like this machine has no hinges, just a loose lid. And the small opening could be for the detergent.

 

[vivalalavatrice]

This one would be classic-er than those above...

I'm wondering how does the machine provide to the washing action...I can't see any agitator...neither an'impeller...so do you suggest that the action is provided byt the water that recirculates and is sprayed byt that perforated white disc on the bottm of the washtub(the ligh-blue one)??

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ancien-lave-ling...ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

 

[mielabor]

Maybe the greyish thing under the perforated plate is the impeller, but then it seems very small. Or it may be hidden from view by the splash shield (?) in the top of the picture.

 

[foraloysius]

Another nice machine. No, this machine doesn't have an agitator. It looks like it could work with a water stream. The water leaves the drum through the screen at the bottom and might enter the drum again at the top under the yellowed part. Most logical would be that it is injected more or less horizontal so that the laundry moves around. In the past there was a brand called Viking sold in the Netherlands that had a similar system, only the injector was lower in the drum. I added a drawing of that system.

1. Motor

2. Pump

3. Heating element

4. Screen

5. Injector

 

[mielabor]

Louis, now that makes sense: the greyish thing next to the perforated plate is the injector and it's located in the same location as in the Viking machine. The location of that splash shield in the top of the picture is now also explained as it will divert the upwelling of water caused by the jet on the bottom of the tub.

 

[foraloysius]

Theo, you're a genius! I had overlooked that greyish thing. But ofcourse the water has to come out there. And ofcourse the yellowed part is a splash shield.

Have we determined the brand of this washer? Perhaps it even is a Viking! LOL

 

[mrboilwash]

My Grandmother had a "Düsenwaschmaschine" just like Louis` drawing. That must have been a very rare system, at least I have never seen another one. She said there was a "Mercedes" tag on it, but it got washed away long before I was born. So, I am not sure if it had anything to do with the car maker.

 

[foraloysius]

"Düsenwaschmaschine"

I remember the word. I will have to have another look at my brochures and see if I can find another brand than the Viking with that system. Here's the only photo that I have of the Viking. There is a tear in the page.

 

[toggleswitch]

"Düsenwaschmaschine"

Is the first part of that word the root for shower(i.e. water-stream) in many European languages?

 

[foraloysius]

It's related, but not the same.

In German "Düse" is something like a spout. The word for shower is "Dusche" Because there is an "Umlaut" on the "u" it is pronounced differently than without it.

 

[mrboilwash]

Düse translates to jet or nozzle.
Would be intresting to see a picture of a Viking.

 

[foraloysius]

Oooops!!!!

Forgot the picture...