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marilyn had voiced her concerns and fears to more than a few close friends in her final days! she had confided to robert slatzer the week before she died on the beach at malibu, knowing that her phone was bugged and probably her home.

Actually she died in the bedroom of her Brentwood home on Fifth Helena.
 
the truth be told

she didn't die in her "locked" bedroom as the story went for over 20 years. she died in her guest house, she was discovered by mrs. murray and her son in law norman jeffries comatose at the time from an injection given to her by someone else. mrs. murray called the ambulance and marilyn died a few minutes later.

if you are interesterd in the facts as they have been uncovered over the years i can direct you where to get them!

she did not die of suicide or accidental overdose. the amount of drugs found in her blood at autopsy proves it had to be homicide. she could not have administered that level herself as sher would have died way before the blood level reached that high percentage. the truth has been in the autopsy report all along! the last key witness to come forward before he died gave a shocking account of what happened!
 
I had heard before that she died in the guest house but was transported to her bedroom after she died but before the police came.

Yes please do give a link to the more shocking account. I'd be interested in reading it.

Is anyone involved with her death still alive?
 
Wait don't tell us, the mob hit her with a chloral hydrate enema.

Seriously, this was a simple case of two doctors not knowing what the other was doing with the same patient. Monroe was still taking massive doses of Nembutal from one MD (it's been established she appeared heavily drugged that day). Meanwhile the other MD thought she had weaned off Nembutal and prescribed her chloral hydrate, which either she or someone else administered that night.

It appears no one explained to her the combination can easily be deadly.
 
That housekeeper went to her grave not telling what she clearly knew. On the face of things her story did not add up( who does laundry at 4:30AM and cleans up around a dead person because they want the place to look nice for "company", nor did any of the others who were there when the first LE arrived.

It would have been very difficult if not impossible for MM in her "drugged" state, or indeed in her right mind to give herself a drug laced enema. The question is who and why.

Yes, it does seem likely that MM could have died from medical error, much the same as Michael Jackson, Anna Nichole Smith and countless other lesser or unknown persons.

Anyone who has arrived at an overdose suicide knows persons do not simply "fall asleep" but rather go through vomiting and fits as the body reacts to the drugs.

While MM may not have been murdered, she died just the same because medical attention was not summoned quickly (again that housekeeper has much to answer for), or by the time it did arrive (there is one report that MM was taken to hospital in a coma, and died there,then was brought back home. That one finds hard to believe as certianly by now somone in the ER or knew of the events that night would have talked. lllllll

Sad thing was that MM had no near next of kin like a husband or parent who could have stepped in and made decisions regarding the autopsy, which was badly handled. Reports and organs went missing, the rather young ME couldn't make up his mind, etc.

While Robert Kennedy was in the area of MM's home, and several persons stated cleary the Attorney General was seen going into MM's home with another man (who was carrying a black medical bag), knowing the straight as an arrow moral compass of that particular Kennedy brother, it is very hard to believe he would be party to murder
 
no unfortunately that is not true

you know what they say

just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't talking about you"

it was simply not a case of two doctors not knowing what each other had done. that was ruled out years ago by serious investigation. sounds simple enough but not true in marilyn's case.

enema was ruled out although it was a possible means of administering the drugs that killed her. when she died her heart stopped (obviously) as blood flow and absorption of drugs into her body stopped as well. she could not have gotten that high a blood percentage of drugs from an enema, she would have died long before it reached that level. only injection could have reached that level.

marilyn had a prescription drug problem, she was alcoholic, but that doesn't mean she wasn't killed. her death took place only weeks before the cuban missle crisis and if anyone has forgotten how close we all came to getting nuked that fall i invite you read up on that fascinating peice of our history as well. robert kennedy's book "thirteen days" is a great place to start". her death is intertwined in that whole political scene of 1962. she knew too much and she was not being discreet!

evidence is overwhelming! people started to tell their story as time went on. even anthony sommers who wrote an excellent book on marilyn "goddess" and originally had stated in that book that "probably no foul play took place" recanted that remark later after more investigation. he is recorded as saying "what started in that little house in brentwood could very well have ended in deeley plaza". he also wrote a book on j. edgar hoover, head of the f.b.i. at the time. hoover made the statement "marilyn was murdered, the kennedy's were involved". as said even "tass", the soviet news agency reported it later stating "marilyn was murdered by the c.i.a. because she planned to expose the plot to assasinate fifel castro".

and that's just for starters! her autopsy proved it could not be accidental such as two doctors not knowing what the other prescribed to her as one friend above stated in his post. that little attempt to cover up the facts surrounding marilyn's homicide was hyped big time by author donald spoto who's book can not be taken seriously. he had nothing to say that added to the case. author Donald woolfe, who wrote an excellent book on martilyn's death after the spoto thing came out states "spoto's book is nothing more than an obvioius attempt to exonerate bobby kennecy from involvement in her death". i read that book and woolfe is correct! he added nothing new to the case and attempted to further spread a web of disinformation in an attempt to clear kennedy's name. marilyn's psychiatrist dr. ralph greenson was implemented in spoto's book and greenson's family was outraged at such an accusation. truth be told greenson was a
spectator to the drama that unfolded in marilyn's life at the end. he was privy to a lot of information but he was not in any way responsible for her death. it was later discovered that he was a member of the communist party at the time but even that wasn't enough to get marilyn labeled a "security risk-communist" by the cia and fbi in july of 1962. marilyn had a lot of communist friends!

she took a trip to mexico in feb 62 and met with her friend frederick fields who was known to be a communist agent. this fact did get her on that cia list! fields was mentioned by name on that report. fields came to new york shortly before marilyn was killed and stayed at her apartment there! i'm not saying she was passing information but she had communist friends and she was sleeping with our attorney general at the same time russia was beginning to install nuclear missles in cuba! a crucial point in the cold war and a time where we came extremely close to nuclear war only 9 weeks after marilyn died!

norman jeffries, the handiman and son in law to marily's housekeeper eunice murray finally came forward shortly before dying of cancer a few years ago and told what happnened. he was there that day all day and saw it all! the housekeeper herself after years of lying finally on tape stated in an interview with anthony sommers "why do i have to continue covering up this thing at my age" and then proceeded to tell the story!

other people to finally talk included the police officer that stopped peter lawford's car with bobby kennedy inside racing to get kennedy to the airport shortly after marilyn died.

the call to arthur jacobs at the hollywood bowl before 11 p.m. that sat nite telling him marilyn was dead (witnessed by his wife) even though her death was reported to be hours later. rigor mortis discovered by the morticians proving she died much earlier than reported. the neighbors playing cards reporting seeing bobby kennedy entering marilyn's house for the second time that day, this last time shortly after 10 p.m. in the compnay of 2 others, just as norman jeffries stated. jose bolanos testimony that he was talking to marilyn about 10 p.m. and she put the phone down to see what the commotion was in the living room and never returned. peter lawford's stating that he tried to call marilyn at that time and both phone lines were busy (which jives with jeffries and bolanos testimony).

again that is just the tip of it all!

let me clear up one thing here. i am not just a marilyn "fan" looking for a sensational way to justify her death and get my jollies for the day! i do not read "national enquirer" unless i want some humor! i do not believe in every conspiracy theory to hit the pike. i don't call myself a "fan" of marilyn at all. i refer to it as an "admirer". i have a very unique attraction to this woman that is hard to put into words. eccentric yes, but i am also well informed on the subject. i have been studying her death (and life) since 1969 when i wrote my first peice on her for high school. i have read every serious book on marilyn many times and have a lot of the interviews recorded on tape. i have made studying her death part of my life for 40 years. not one to brag but i am very knowlegable on this subject, more so than most due that most people only get bits and peices and then form their own opinion without researching the facts.

the facts are out there if you look.

no, this is not just a "fan" beating his drum to say she was murdered to sensationalize it all, this is the case of a woman who knew about the plot to assasinate fidel castro at a time when that info was top secret. this was a woman with commuunist friends at a time when a few weeks later we almost had a nuclear war with these communists. this was a woman who was labeled a "security risk-communist" by the cia and fbi only weeks before she died. this was a woman who's house was bugged at that time. this was a woman who was intimate with the attorney general of the united states and recently with the president. this was a woman who had a known drug dependency as well as alcohol problem. and she was not being discreet about what she knew and she had a rage against both bobby and jack kennedy. mostly bobby. she was threatening to go public the next week and had even ordered an outfit made by jean louis that some believe was in preparation for this proposed press conference. in any case she was not suicidal that last week or day or her life at all. she was making lots of plans. she had just been rehired to finish her film "something's got to give" and her salary increased from 100,000 to a million. she was not despondent.

another peice of disinformation to come out was the testimony of her physician, dr. englebert. he never talked for years, he stayed compelely silent. then when the unfinished film "something's got to give was finally realeased in a documentary proving marilyn was not the despondent wreck on the set that the cover up had stated for 30 years he "talked" he painted marilyn as a manic depressive who was up that last day of her life, then something caused her to plunge "down' into despondency that nite resulting in her "grabbing those lethal pills" he even added a titillating end to his story staing "maybe she was dispaointed in love" or something to that affect hinting at her disintegrated relationship with bobby kennedy and a phone call from him. i could look it up here. funny, englebert wasn't even at her house that day until after she died that nite around 10:45 p.m. and greenson the psychiatrist called him. he was obviously lying. a lot of people lied because they were a part of the coverup for years and years and the statute of limitation on murder never runs out. englebert and greenson were the one's to finally report her death to the police almost 5 hours later and were there when the first police sgt. arrived. englebert was a huge part of the coverup in the beginning, no wonder he didn't say anything for almost 40 years. what is sad is that when he did talk in that documentary it was more lies attempting to revive that same old coverup theory, a coverup that eunice murray admitted on tape was a big lie years before "why must i cover up this thing at my age".

it's a well known fact that alcoholics are often lebeled as manic depressive, i know as i am a recovering alcoholic, sober 12 years. once we get sober the symptions of bi polar often leave. funny, nothing had ever been said before about marilyn being bi poilar until he made this statement. anyone who drinks and used drugs has the highs and lows like that of a manic depressive. i'm not saying she wasn't but again it shows how this disinformation spreads. ah, another new way to "prove" she took her own life, "bi polar", disapointed in love by a phone call that nite! that's why i say that even though marilyn had problems associated with drugs and alcohol it doesn't mean larger forces were not involved in her death and a massive coverup installed after her murder!

the truth be told marilyn's last day was filled with anxiety and a visit from kennecy that ended in a violent row and left marilyn in a rage. dr greenson came over and calmed her down. marilyn spent the eveneing in her bedroom talking with friends on the phone while mrs murray and norman jeffries stayed in the living room watching tv until around 10 p.m. when kennedy showed up again along with 2 other men and ordered them out of the house. marilyn was talking to bolanos, put the phone down to see what the problem was in the living room and then it all happened. when the 3 men left shortly after murray and jeffries returned to the house to disvover marilyn in the guesst house comatose from a massive drug injection. her dog maf alerted them that she was there. murray called an ambulance and dr greenson and lawford and marilyn's press agent pat newcomb arrived at the same time. marilyn had a phone in that guest house (the second phone line) and had attempted to call lawford for help as she was going under from the injection. lawford called her back and found both lines busy, the first line from the call with bonanos, the second as she went under while reaching out for help to lawford!

so in a way she did die with a phone in her hand, although not in her locked bedroom as the suicide,accidental overdose coverup tried to paint.

nope, she was murdered in one of the biggest coverups of the 20th century, a coverup that still continues to this day to a limited extent, not nearly with the force it once did.

she died by a massive injection administtered by someone in the presence of bobby kennedy and was found comatose in her guest house when mrs murray and her son in law came back to the property after being ordered out by these men a few minutes earlier. norman jeffries was the last key wtitness to come forward and his testimony was the missing link that tied it all together.

and yes, she was moved to her own bedroom when the coverup story of her "suicide" was set in place later that nite. lividity on her body proved she origionally died while on her back and then was placed on her stomache. the presence of cyanosis on her body proved a rapid death and loss of oxigen as would be consistent with an injection of a massive dosage of barbiturates.

for anyone seriously wishing to read up on the facts of marilyn's death i can direct you where to go for that information. for those who simply don't believe she was murdered or that bigger forces were involved, well it's not my role in life to try to change that i guess. but as i have said to many people many times before i will go to my own death defending the memory of this lady and helping to get the truth out surrounding her homicide. why? God only knows, i just feel for her, i actually feel her with me a lot of the time. she is with me always. guardian angel, maybe? link to my dead mother, perhaps? possession, don't think so, i've never been one to don a blonde wig and wiggle around my house! thank God i'm not a drag queen! i could be doing that! all i can say to any of the people in my life that i know as a real friend and who consider me a real friend is that marilyn and i are connected, some way. i'll find out the answer to that one when i die. in the meantime i will defend her as i would any close friend! she did nhot take her own life, either accidentally or by suicide, her death was a homocide!

marilyn's death is also a part of the cold war history of the u.s. and russia, a history i find fascinating. marilyn's death is the sad end to a woman who although had her problems had the spark and the dream to become at that time the most famous woman in the world! remember she said "i'm dreaming the hardest". marilyn deserves better than to be labeled with the stigma of suicide or accidental overdose when in fact her life was taken from her violently by a drug overdose administered by an injection that left it's evidence in the files of her autopsy all these years!

(excuse spelling mistakes if any uncorrected. want this get this posted before my computer decides to crash or something, it is way too much to re-do!
 
Rent the movie

Last week, I watched 'Some Like It Hot,' starring MM. My friend commented that she was quite large a woman by today's standards. The girl sure could wiggle and some could take lessons [I won't mention any names].

The movie was filmed in 1959 and unfortunately the DVD doesn't have any extras. Was fun to see Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon in drag [poor things]

 
something else i left out

that must be stated here!

the coverup that started to unravel in the 80's and unraveled much more in the 90's, documented unraveling by lot's of testimony by lots of people who finally talked, this coverup was so extensive and intricate that there is no way possible it could have been put in place and maintained all those years by a psychiatrist, a doctor, a housekeeper, even 20th century fox! this coverup went much deeper into our government realm. files disapearing, phone records taken, death threats given to people such as marilyn's best friend robert slatzer (who wrote 2 books on the subject). lied fabricated and told, pay off's given to those who took part in it. jobs secured (such as pat newcomb, marilyn's press agent going to work in bobby kennedy's office, mrs. murray taking a six month tour of europe when she had little money, arthor jacobs becoming a producer at 20th century fox, car washes bought with hush money by one of the ambulance drivers to name some.

and if one says the government did get involved in a coverup then what did our government take the time and the money to cover up? certainly not the reputation of a doctor, housekeeper, and psychiatrist! why would they care!

several attempts were made to re-open the case and both were shut down in main stream by political pressure!

the cover up was put in place to protect bobby kennedy and to keep secret the fact that marilyn was murdered by injection in the presence of bobby kennedy at her house that nite with our government's full involvement. whether the 2 men with him were cia hit men, mafia hit men (the mafia and cia were jointly combined at that time in operation mongoose) or some other level of government hit men the fact remains she was killed and the kennedy's were involved just as j. edgar hoover stated. and as robert slatzer stated in his second book, referring to bobby kennedy's involvement at her home that nite "like the general he was, he gave the order!".
 
for any serious inquiries

i would suggest starting with donald woolfe's book "the final days of marilyn monroe" as woolfe does an excellent job of taking past information that has come out and blending it with the new testimoney given by norman jeffries before he died of cancer.

"marilyn the last take" should be the second book to follow-up woolfe's book. very informative and revealing when it came out in the early 90's. also a great book to read if you like movie trivia as it dives deep into marilyn's relationship with 20th century fox in 1962 when she was filming her last film "something's got to give". very humorous as well with great insight into george cukor as well. and some funny bits about liz taylor too! fun reading in spite of it's ominous theme.

robert statzer (marilyn's staunchest supporter and best friend) wrote 2 books, i would suggest reading "the marilyn files" but only after reading the 2 mentioned above. his work has a lot of good info inside, unfortunately it is not edited well for smooth reading. but he gets a a+ for his work from me in spite of that fact.

"crypt 33" should also be read but it was also published in the early 90's and not all info that we now know was out at that time. but a good source and well worth reading.

and after reading those i can direct you much further. anyone can e mail me direct about it if they like.
 
> marilyn had problems associated with drugs and alcohol it doesn't mean larger forces were not involved in her death and a massive coverup installed after her murder! <

I don't believe in massive coverups. People aren't that smart, consistent or reliable. In Monroe's case I believe medical malpractice was definitely involved, but not murder.
 
Steve 1-18

MM was a size "14", and even though dress sizes have changed somewhat since the 1950's and 1960's, the lady was healthy.

Being as the above may, the 1950's and until "Tiwggy" arrived on the scene in the 1960's, was the era of curvy women. Bosoms, hips, the lot. All encased in girdles and bullet proof bras. As a girl said in the film "Niagara" whem MM strolls by fillng out every inch of tight red dress "a girl has to start laying down plans at 13 to wear a dres like that".

No self respecting model, actress, or even cutie today would be caught dead with a body like MM,Jane Russell, Elizabeth Taylor, or any of the other goddess of the 1950's. All that jiggling and cellulite.

L.
 
yep

the 50's were the curvy years! look at jane russell, she had to do playtex bra commercials after the 60's hit! i'll the take the curvy women of the 50's any day, with the possible exception of audrey hepburn. funny i watched niagara on u tube the other day having just gotten back from buffalo new york. love that line!
 
Jane Russell

Actually had a very good stage, Vagas, and singing career well into the 1960's or 1970's IIRC. Know she was in Sondheim's "Company" taking over for none other than Elaine Stritch and yes Miss. Russell sang the heck out of "Ladies Who Lunch".

Even with those commercials and adverts for "us full figured gals", shouldn't feel too sorry for Miss. Russell, the lady was well compensated.

However will agree with you that in general, once the 1960's hit in earnest, things weren't so easy for the curvy sex stars of the previous decade. Jane Mansfield, Mamie Van Doren and the lot would have just seemed so part of another era to the young men of the Woodstock era. Then of course fashions changed and girdles went out. For a certian type of woman, going out without her thighs encased in lycra, rubber, or spandex gives an impression from the rear of two pigs fighting under a blanket.
 
Laundress

For a certian type of woman, going out without her thighs encased in lycra, rubber, or spandex gives an impression from the rear of two pigs fighting under a blanket.

Of course when I read things like this, I visualize it. What a sight that would be! This cracked me up.

Nowadays "full figured" usually means obese or a drag queen.
 
in a way you a partially right jeff

the massive coverup of her death did unravel as the years went on, people got older and got tired of lying about it. mrs. murray's taped confession is a prime example. one of many!

what people believe they believe, as long as i know the truth i'm satisfied. it's out there! and there are many more out there who know the story as well.

"some like it hot" was a great film, and marilyn had a percentage of the gross on that one, unlike her fox films so it made her and arthur miller some money. the farm miller bought while married to marilyn (and where he lived till his death) was paid for by marilyn.
 
Well Yes,

But considering what had happened, if certian theories hold true Mrs. Murray could have been on the hook for criminal charges (not that anyone would have brougth them on an elderly woman).

Tampering with evidence, failing to render assistance, perjury, the lot up to an possibly manslaughter if the woman assisted with giving the drug lace enema. Then of course there would be the fallout and perhaps even scorn from the millions of MM fans all over the world held against a person they belived "killed" the star.

No, after giving a lie that long, one best keep rolling with it to the grave.
 
mrs murray did say something

before she died. i have it on videotape actually in one of my files on marilyn. an interview with anthony sommers, author of "goddess". she told the same tired story for over 20 years about finding the light on under marilyn's door around midnite, then changing it to finding the telephone cord under marilyn's door when it was brought up by witnesses that marilyn had just had new carpet installed in her bedroom thick ebnough to prevent light from being seen under the door. the story also changed from "around midnite" till around 3 a.m. when the question was raised as to why police were not alerted till 4 am. if she found her at midnite.

different variations but the same lie basically. she found marilyn, called dr. greemnson who rushed over and broke her bedroom window to enter it, finding marilyn dead! funny, the broken window was investigated and it was found it had been broken from the inside (as part of the coverup) as the glass lay on the ground on the outside!

she even wrote a book (which i have) with the help of her sister. same old story pretty much. she said it was her "piscerian qualities" that alerted her to somthing wrong that nite with marilyn. her sister was a psychic.

truth be told she did discover marilyn, but not in her bedroom, in the guest house and her son in law, handiman norman jeffries was with her. it wasn't her "piscerian qualities" that alerted her, it was the site of marilyn laying on the bed comatose with a phone in her hand! again in her guest house, trying to reach peter lawford for help as she went under.

murray finally told the truth, to anthony sommers, saying "why, why at my age do i have to keep on covering up this thing". she then admitted that bobby kennedy had indeed come to see marilyn that day. hotel records in L.A. later proved it as well as the testimony of lynn sheridan, the police officer to stop lawford's car speeding along with bobby inside. the helicopter service used to transport bobby out of town also provided proof.

murray also said on tape when asked about bobby visiting marilyn on aug 4th. "oh yes, sure, he was there. he was in the the living room, she was not yet dressed". this jives with testimony that marilyn didn't sleep fri nite due to a series of disturbing threatening phone calls to her from a woman she thought to be ethel kennedy or someone acting for her. she was tired and angry that day and was in her robe until kennedy's visit.

murray also stated that "i was not supposed to know the details of marilyn's involvement with bobby, i was not made aware of any of this by marilyn, but over time i was a witness to what was happening.".

more importantly, she also stated on tape "it became very sticky for the attorney general so the protectors of bobby kennedy had to step in".

mrs. murray is dead, norman jeffries died from cancer after giving his wheel chair confession stating "i guess they can't very well execute me in this wheel chair". peter lawford is dead after making a death side "confession" stating "if any of this were true i could never tell of it, ever, out of my loyalty to jack". dr geenson died and after initially taking part in the cover up went to his grave declaring "Marilyn did not commit suicide".

her physician, dr engleberg may still be around but he never gave any true account of what he knew. pat newcomb her press agent turned bobby kennedy subordinate is still around and has never spoken a word to anyone about it! she was a key witness as she and lawford arrived before marilyn died. it was pat screaming hysterically when marilyn did die that alerted mrs. murray and norman jeffries (who had gone back to the main house area) that marilyn was dead. those wanting the truth suppressed would definately not want pat newcomb to testify under oath! the kennedy family would not want pat testifying under oath! once she dies the last key witness will be gone.

marilyn's dear friend robert slatzer who spent the rest of his life researching her murder is gone. his libray files had over a million peices of evidence on the subject! he wrote 2 books. he spoke to marilyn on fri aug 3rd. when she told him "if he won't talk to me by this weekend (bobby) i'm going to hold a press conference on monday and blow the lid off this whole damn thing!". it was the last time slatzer talked to marilyn alive and he had a friend witness the converation.

her girlfriend jeanne carmen is still alive, she was a golf pro and actress back when marilyn and her were friends in 61 and 62. she witnessed marilyn's affairs with bobby and jack.
after marilyn died she left california for good! she wan't the only one to get out of town! she has been a great source of info. she has stated she feels foul play was involved.

john minor, who was present at marilyn's autopsy is still around i believe and pushed to have the case re-opened to no avail. he was stedfast in his declaring that "miss monroe did not take her own life". he was privy to a lot of taped info marilyn had recorded for dr. greenson. his testimony would be invaluable if ever under oath!

there may be a few more left but twice serious efforts have been made to re-open the case and exhume the body but both times political pressure from the kennedy camp closed it down.

now 47 years later not enough people are alive and not enough people care to have marilyn's body exhumed. but john minor along with others have stated that if they could exhume marilyn's body they could prove it was homicide. and again, the truth has been there all along in that origional autopsy report! the amount of drugs found in her blood was so high that only an injection could have achieved it! pills could not have done it (and no pills traces were found in her stomach anyway) and an enema could not have done it! she would have died long before that high a percentage was reached! i'm sure marilyn is pleased about that. i can just hear her saying "gee, who'd a thought my autopsy would be the best script i ever had!"

shortly before her death she asked richard merryman who did a "life" interview on her (which came out the day before she died) not to make her look like a joke!

she would not want her memory to be tarnished with the stigma of suicide or accidental overdose when it was homicide! she fought for respect all her life and would want the same consideration concerning her death. she would want the truth to be told. i would if it was me, i'm sure anyone would!

i, along with a lot of other people know what happened to marilyn. a lot of people have tried to get the truth out concerning her homicide. i add my voice in any way i can! not for my sake. i do this to help her! like i said she is with me every day, in spirit! sometimes i feel her presence profoundly. i owe it to her memory! i owe it to her! i will go to my own grave helping declare what has been discovered concerning her death.

i quote j edgar hoover again in closing here

"monroe was murdered, the kennedy's were involved".
 
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