SQ FL vs Miele 3033

[lightedcontrols]

I can tell you that...

...when I go out to customers homes that have Miele washers and dryers for repair, (and Bosch too) they HATE them. While Miele makes the very best new dishwasher that I know of, their laundry has LOTS of issues. Stick with the SQ 's that you can tweak the water level on and be happy with.

 

[henene4]

Being German...

I can say, Miele is by far the best that can happen to certain types of consumer.

Type 1: A BOL Miele here is the best for some older consumers (60-65+). Washes and rinses the used ways, results are good, quality is perfect (as long as it is one of the BOL modells with the 3-digit display and the one-knob-interface) and they will have no trouble using them and won't have any problem with faults.

Type 2: Stressed consumers (aged from 25-50 years) which are done with no quality cheap washers that wash 4h and still have bad results. A nice one-line-display modell with chrome door and they are good to go. Has some features, washes fast enough and gives anything they ask for (mostly running all day long without issues).

Type 3: Smaller families. The get certain capacity and well thought programms for some price, while still trusting into something that works.

But there are consumers who just do not connect to Miele. Types like "I don't care how to wash" and "I have ______ (enter number of children from 3-800) children and need to wash lots and lots of clothes!!!" and, last but not least, "I want bling bling and nothing else".
Lastly, I have to admit that we went away from Miele because we are the 2nd kind of Miele-Non-Connectable household. We wash for 7 of us and even with 2 washers, we have to run at least 7 cycles a week in our Panasonic and a Miele is just to small! And think about the Miele that was even smaller! Ran 10 cycles a week! But we know what we have choosen and yes, it is boring that the Pani already has broken shocks (started measuring the spincycle-times now), but better that haveing our Miele running all day long and still not better results!

 

[washer111]

SQ is the only Washer with a Stainless Drum

This is COMPLETELY false. 

 

Our Miele washer, plus countless other Miele washer utilise the stainless-steel outer drum. There are photos all over this site that I won't even bother searching that prove this statement hands down. 

 

[combo52]

SQ FL Washers With SS Outer Tubs

I am talking about real full sized washers which by definition would be at least 27" wide, is Miele still making such a machine?.

 

[launderess]

Not 27" IIRC but Miele USA does have the commercial "Little Giant" series of washers, and they are rated to hold fifteen pounds of washing.

The previous and now discontinued 4xxx series washing machines were some what misleading IMHO. Yes they were huge machines but everything one read stated you were supposed to load them only three-quarters full for "normal" cottons or such cycles. So in reality those machines probably held much less than many consumers assumed.

http://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/PW6065.html

 

[launderess]

IIRC The Only Fiberglass Outer Tub Washer Miele Sold

In the USA was the now discontinued 4XXX series. All others including the 30XX and "Little Giant" units have SS outer tubs. However one *thinks* Miele does have fiberglass outer tubs on some of it's offerings in Europe.

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[washer111]

Our machine is the W5741, and from memory ours is the 7.5kg (16.5lb) model. I'm not sure of the dimensions, but I would assume it is 27" in width, but I'd have to check. The machine is certainly wider than the Dishwasher, thats for sure. *EDIT* You can ignore that last bit. I don't have the manual on hand, and I certainly won't hunt for it. 

 

What I do know is another member posted a photo of our machine's sister model (Identical controls and features), and that showed a Stainless Drum with the top removed. Link included: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?39418

 

 

 

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[brisnat81]

Hi Washer,

All the domestic machines for sale in AU are 60cm/24" its not until you get up into the mega expensive models that they get even bigger.

Even the entry level Little Giant is still 60cm/24" it is just deeper rather than wider.

The big models are all SS inside and out, but the model after the little Giant starts at about $6.5K AUD, so very much out of the ballpark of a Speed Queen front loader.

Regards

Nathan

 

[mielerod69]

Miele professional for the home

Yes Miele make a 10 kg rated PW6088 which is designed for 30,000 hours of operation which is equivalent to 30,000 wash loads as the cycles times are under an hour. Both inner and outer drums are stainless steel.

http://www.miele-professional.com.au/au/prof/produkte/33_38153.htm

 

[mrb627]

Miele make a 10 kg rated PW6088

Shame this model isn't offered in the US marketplace.

Malcolm

 

[henene4]

Well, but it there is a simmilar one!

Do not know the modell number, but it is on the Miele Professional USA web site!

 

[mrb627]

The Miele Octoplus Models

Yes there is a version in BLUE sold over here in the states, but my retailer was not willing to sell them for use in a domestic installation. Noting that there was an obvious pinch point between the guts of the machine and the cabinet front. The liability issue of a child losing a finger to the machine would be suspect.

That and they would retail for just over $14,000. Require customer electrical service, and there is no parts network for them in the US.

Malcolm

 

[launderess]

After the 4XXX series fiasco don't think we will be seeing any further 27" units from Miele for domestic use. Yes, you'll find them on higher end commercial machines but otherwise don't see it happening.

It must have been hugely shameful for Miele to pull the plug on those units after a few years of sales/production.

 

[mrb627]

Yeah

I'm sure that is a bruise that hasn't quite gone away yet.

While I did like the W3033 washer somewhat, the dryer was terrible to live with. Slow and wrinkles abound. Can't say that I miss it.

Malcolm

 

[launderess]

Sad thing is Miele is locked into stocking parts for fifteen or so years after last sale date.

When you think of all the R&D and production costs that went into that line am sure someone was sat down, if not lost their job after that disaster.

IIRC Miele claimed it was poor sales that caused the decision, but I've heard different things from various sources. Will say for their cost the uber-sized Miele units were probably out classed by Whirlpool, Electrolux and even LG.

 

[ronhic]

I am talking about real full sized washers....

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Only in America. Everywhere else, a front load washer would be considered 'normal' at 24"/60cm. The term 'full sized' wouldn't even come into the conversation.

 

Anything larger than 24"/60cm would be considered - 'out-sized' or 'extra large'.

 

For the majority of houses/flats/apartments in Europe and many in Australia where the tendency has been to build in front load appliances and where the cabinet sizes 'off the shelf' are 30/45/60/75/90cm, to go outside of the norm is to significantly increase the cost of any build just to put in an appliance that is wider with no tangible benefit.

 

If there was a tangible benefit, American 'full sized' front load appliances would be a significant player on the global stage, not just in the Americas.

 

They are not.

 

[launderess]

Which is why the Miele uber-sized units failed IIRC. Miele only produced and sold the units for the North American market. That meant having just the one sales territory to recoup entire R&D, production and so forth costs.

As one recalls front loaders with 27" cabinets are not huge sellers in Europe. Just as American top loading washing machines have long come in a pretty tight range of sizes, same applies to the EU market.

Miele probably tried to answer the complaints that has deviled their sales for laundry appliances from the start; consumers consider an 5kg or so capacity washer too "small". Thus outside of a small niche market many avoided Miele washing machines and dryers. Well there was that and the 220v power supply. In the end Miele solved the one problem but couldn't the other.

It is worth noting that other German washer makers such as Bosch also quit the uber-sized market as well. This leaves only LG, Electrolux and a few others to duke it out.

Problem is that with front loaders there is no free lunch. Most are happy when doing normal loads when done at or near capacity. Purchasing a 15lb washer for only the occasional laundering of a duvet but routine washing of five pounds is asking for trouble in some machines. They simply cannot balance those loads. This is becoming more and more of a problem as Americans move their laundry areas from basements with their solid concrete flooring to first or even second floors.