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Fresh Start laundry detergent for $100
I think I’ll try the “make offer” to offer $5 and see what happens.
I think I’ll try the “make offer” to offer $5 and see what happens.
Fresh Start Went Through A Few Different Formulas
IIRC.
Have two bottles hidden away in my stash. Bought three off fleaPay several years ago and only used up the one.
One I used according to label contained noninoic surfactants, protease enzyme, STPP.
Label states this version of FS contains "14.7% phosphorus in form of phosphates, which is equivalent to 5.7 grams per 1/4 use level". Never found it made the wash harsh or scratchy. Wash and subsequent rinse baths drained clear which indicates to one at least low to nil levels of washing soda, or other caustics.
At some point it is possible Colgate-Palmolive eliminated and or reduced phosphates and added washing soda like everyone else.
Did some quick online research and was right; there were two versions of Fresh Start, one with phosphates, another without.
Also was correct in assuming CP ditched phosphates and replaced with large amount of washing soda: https://content.oppictures.com/Master_Images/Master_PDF_Files/PBC05267_MSDS.PDF
Patent for Fresh Start: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5026400.html
Powdered laundry detergent that is nearly 75% washing soda even when at dilution ration (using 1/4 cup) is rather harsh IMHO. Puts one in mind of Arm & Hammer powdered detergent of old. That product left one's towels and other laundry stiff enough to stand on its own when dry. [this post was last edited: 9/13/2019-04:03]
IIRC.
Have two bottles hidden away in my stash. Bought three off fleaPay several years ago and only used up the one.
One I used according to label contained noninoic surfactants, protease enzyme, STPP.
Label states this version of FS contains "14.7% phosphorus in form of phosphates, which is equivalent to 5.7 grams per 1/4 use level". Never found it made the wash harsh or scratchy. Wash and subsequent rinse baths drained clear which indicates to one at least low to nil levels of washing soda, or other caustics.
At some point it is possible Colgate-Palmolive eliminated and or reduced phosphates and added washing soda like everyone else.
Did some quick online research and was right; there were two versions of Fresh Start, one with phosphates, another without.
Also was correct in assuming CP ditched phosphates and replaced with large amount of washing soda: https://content.oppictures.com/Master_Images/Master_PDF_Files/PBC05267_MSDS.PDF
Patent for Fresh Start: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5026400.html
Powdered laundry detergent that is nearly 75% washing soda even when at dilution ration (using 1/4 cup) is rather harsh IMHO. Puts one in mind of Arm & Hammer powdered detergent of old. That product left one's towels and other laundry stiff enough to stand on its own when dry. [this post was last edited: 9/13/2019-04:03]
From linked patent above:
" A detergent composition according to claim 5 wherein the percentages of narrow range ethoxylate nonionic detergent, soil release promoting PET-POET copolymer, builder and polyacrylate stabilizer for the PET-POET copolymer are in the ranges of 15 to 25%, 2 to 6%, 55 to 70%, and 0.5 to 5%, respectively, and the builder comprises 50 to 65% of sodium
tripolyphosphate and 2 to 10% of sodium silicate of Na2 O:SiO2 ratio of about 1:2.4, with such percentages and the Na2 O:SiO2 ratio being by weight of anhydrous material and on a final composition basis."
So it appears the phosphate version (or one of them at least) used heavy amounts of STPP as a builder, along with a small amount of sodium silicate.
Since STPP does so many jobs on wash day it really is all one needed plus some sort of surfactant (soap, or detergent) to get the job done. Add some enzymes and you've just kicked things up a notch.
" A detergent composition according to claim 5 wherein the percentages of narrow range ethoxylate nonionic detergent, soil release promoting PET-POET copolymer, builder and polyacrylate stabilizer for the PET-POET copolymer are in the ranges of 15 to 25%, 2 to 6%, 55 to 70%, and 0.5 to 5%, respectively, and the builder comprises 50 to 65% of sodium
tripolyphosphate and 2 to 10% of sodium silicate of Na2 O:SiO2 ratio of about 1:2.4, with such percentages and the Na2 O:SiO2 ratio being by weight of anhydrous material and on a final composition basis."
So it appears the phosphate version (or one of them at least) used heavy amounts of STPP as a builder, along with a small amount of sodium silicate.
Since STPP does so many jobs on wash day it really is all one needed plus some sort of surfactant (soap, or detergent) to get the job done. Add some enzymes and you've just kicked things up a notch.
Unfortunately, it was the early days of enzymes which were mostly formulated to work on proteins (protease) and it was not especially effective on oily soils. It was a novel package and I liked the color and fragrance. It was not dependably low sudsing in a tumble-action washer either.
I don't understand why the seller thinks it is such a hot item, unless it is typical eBay mindset of "It's old and must be worth a lot of money."
I don't understand why the seller thinks it is such a hot item, unless it is typical eBay mindset of "It's old and must be worth a lot of money."
The ebay version looks a little newer than a sample bottle I have.
I always liked the clean scents, if a bit strong. The re-release of Fresh Start was much more harsh and left scratchy clothes without softener in the rinse.
I always liked the clean scents, if a bit strong. The re-release of Fresh Start was much more harsh and left scratchy clothes without softener in the rinse.
The original with the phosphates only required one capful, I thought, or was the cap bigger? I have or had some in a pail with a plastic scoop, I think. I will have to check it to see if it's gone.
Maybe you guys Know
Years ago many detergents listed an ingredient that "protects washer parts". What was this ingredient and why is it no longer included, who knows? Thanks
Years ago many detergents listed an ingredient that "protects washer parts". What was this ingredient and why is it no longer included, who knows? Thanks
I have a couple bottles of (presumably) the last formulation that was available, bought Nov 2011.
The early STPP formula was spraydried into granules (the sample size was the "good" CP stuff. The newest stuff is surfactant, washing soda and not much else...the fragrance was the same as old (lavender, to my nose).
"protects washer parts"
IIRC it was sodium silicate, or at least that was one.
www.silmaco.com
IIRC it was sodium silicate, or at least that was one.
Markets Served
SILMACO is an European producer of Sodium Silicates, Sodium Metasilicates and Lithium Silicates. We offer high-quality silicates in liquid, granular and powder form for a broad range of applications and industries.
www.silmaco.com
I have two 12.5 lb. containers for Fresh start. One is empty; one is like 1/4 full and has lost most of its fragrance. Both list STPP in the ingredients. You could buy phosphated detergents in FL long after they were banned up here. Both were purchased in Sarasota, FL and transported up here in the cargo hold of my friends' motor home. I will have to try some of it.
According to my bottles
FS requires two cap fulls or 1/4 cup. Am guessing then the caps do not hold a full 1/4 cup.
Use only one cap full in front loader (Miele or AEG Lavamat) and results are fine. Usually use some sort of oxygen bleach additive (Tide Stain Release powder, or Tide boost pods), or a bit of vintage La France wash booster to kick things up a bit.
FS requires two cap fulls or 1/4 cup. Am guessing then the caps do not hold a full 1/4 cup.
Use only one cap full in front loader (Miele or AEG Lavamat) and results are fine. Usually use some sort of oxygen bleach additive (Tide Stain Release powder, or Tide boost pods), or a bit of vintage La France wash booster to kick things up a bit.
bendixmark
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Fresh Start
I love Fresh Start.It is this intoxicating blue and the scent of this bottle is heavenly.I was heartbroken when they stopped making it.I have two unopened bottles of the whitecap bottle that I got from a customer/hoarder but the one I really want is the yellow cap one.I made an offer.
I love Fresh Start.It is this intoxicating blue and the scent of this bottle is heavenly.I was heartbroken when they stopped making it.I have two unopened bottles of the whitecap bottle that I got from a customer/hoarder but the one I really want is the yellow cap one.I made an offer.
Thank you all. It has been decades since I have used the bottle with the cap for the measure. The 12.5 lb tubs had a white scoop in them that was a quarter cup. I am just trying to compare the cap on the bottle with a standard coffee measure, two of which equal 4 Tablespoons which is a quarter cup.
sodium silicate
Protective properties against corrosion of washing machines. Makes sense, and one wonders why it is not included in modern detergents. Maybe the washer manufacturers want their machines to rust out faster. Thanks Launderess.
Protective properties against corrosion of washing machines. Makes sense, and one wonders why it is not included in modern detergents. Maybe the washer manufacturers want their machines to rust out faster. Thanks Launderess.
Liquid laundry detergents probably aren't as aggressive against certain metals in ways powdered detergents were, so makers may not have to bother.
Tide powdered detergent contains silicates, so am going to assume other powders do as well.
https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/1816-TideUltraplusaTouchofDownyPowderDetergentCleanBreeze
If you know what to look for bet you'll find plenty of detergents (laundry, automatic dish washing, etc....) contain silicates.
https://captainindustries.com/applications/sodium-silicate/soaps-and-detergents
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Tide powdered detergent contains silicates, so am going to assume other powders do as well.
https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/1816-TideUltraplusaTouchofDownyPowderDetergentCleanBreeze
If you know what to look for bet you'll find plenty of detergents (laundry, automatic dish washing, etc....) contain silicates.
https://captainindustries.com/applications/sodium-silicate/soaps-and-detergents
[this post was last edited: 9/13/2019-23:44]
bendixmark
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Fresh Start
I got one of them.Cant wait.
I got one of them.Cant wait.
