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I know very little about Studebaker. They did have a pretty interesting design department, however. Were they good cars? Did Studebaker's engineering end up being as innovative as their styling? Were they durable? Were they nice to drive and live with, or were their competitors' offerings really better cars? Were they often seen on the roads, or were they always more of a niche market vehicle?

Are any known to still be daily drivers?
Dave
 
I do remember the day they closed down. It was back in the mid sixties. I really liked the bullet nose car they made from the late 40's I think. It is worth a fortune now! I have heard that at one point in time they were considered one of the big three. Ford, Chevy and Studebaker. Before Chrysler became as big.
 
Studebaker...

was derived from one of the US's larger wagon (horse-drawn variety) makers, and one of the Big 3 of Detroit briefly, from about 1910 to 1914 - Chrysler was bigger in sales than Studebaker from the day it was formed from the remains of Maxwell and Dodge in 1924, and more so with introduction of the new Plymouth in 1928. Nash was also larger most of that time. However Studies were decent cars, and had well designed and durable drivetrains, but were known as notorious rust buckets particularly with their postwar models. They still have a small but enthusiastic following today, joining one of the several Studie clubs is highly advisable for parts & good advice.
 
Postwar

My father had one of the new models and drove it a long time (for business). His only complaint was that it wouldn't hold a wheel alignment. My uncle had one of the bullet-nose models. He drove it a long time then gave it to my aunt (his and dad's sister).
 
My family had 3 Studebaker's over the yrs. My Father's parents had a 1941 Studebaker during WW2, I believe it was a Commander. My Aunt Virginia had one of the bullet nose Studebaker's in the early 50's. And in 1962 my Dad bought a new Studebaker Gran Turismo Hawk for my Mom. When he drove it home the first words out of Mom's mouth were." It looks like a goddamned Edsel Jimmie, I won't drive it". Well it was too late, Dad had already bought it. It was kind of a taupe metallic light brown and had tobacco colored vinyl upolstery, bucket seats and 4 on the floor. It was a powerful car and soon my Mom came to love it. Since my Mom was only 4'9" the pedals had to have blocks attached to the clutch and brake pedals so Mom could reach them. And IIRCC the pedals were the old style that went into the floorboard, not the newer suspended pedal style the most other cars had gone to a few years before. The Hawk was equipped with one of Studebaker's most inovative opitions a Hill Holder. When stopped on a hill you could put the car in neutral, put your foot on the brake and let the clutch out. When ready to start moving again the driver could push in the clutch, put the car in gear and take their foot off the brake, the car would not roll back while the clutch was being engaged. A real plus if you were driving in San Francisco.

When Mom drove us to school every morning whoever was sitting shotgun got to shift the car while Mom clutched. My brother and I used to fight over who got to ride in the front seat.

Studebaker built some fine automobiles, some beuatiful, some not so much. Too bad they couldn't stay in business.
Eddie
 
One of our neighbors had a bullet nose Studebaker, I used to get to ride in it when the neighbor and my mother went grocery shopping together when I was a kid. It was huge inside. You could even flip up the arm rests in the back and had two huge storage bins there. The windows were so angular you felt like you were riding in a space ship. It had a quiet ride too. I remember my dad talking about how it had something called "overdrive" which made it get great gas mileage.

Now down the street another neighbor had a 54' Studebaker Champion. This was the Raymond Lowey designed 2 door that I thought was one of the most beautiful cars ever designed. Lots of the styling cues were aviation related. This particular car was all black with a gold interior. The owners didn't drive it for too long before it just ended up sitting in their driveway unused. I always wanted to go look at it closer, but my father used to tell me not to bother the people with my nonsense. He said "The car is broke and doesn't work. Leave it at that.". So I never fond out why or how it was broke. I just knew that about 10 years later I came home from college and the car had been removed from the driveway. But in reading articles about the Champion and later the Hawk, they were fun cars to drive. Definitely more European than American in style.

You know when I see or hear parents treating their kids like that I have been known to say "Why? You may learn something too.." It pisses them off. Asking questions is part of the learning process. If you don't ask, how are you going to know? Besides, most people enjoy talking about things they own and treasure!
 
We didn't see a lot of Studebakers around the Detroit area with so many folks working for one of the Big 3. The brand had all but disappeared by the time I had any consciousness of cars, but I remember seeing them from time to time and being curious about what they were.

Funny, I was just writing about this for some work I'm doing elsewhere. Studebaker had one of its best sales years in 1958-59, after the company had merged with Packard Motors and was on the decline. What gave them such a boost was the Lark, a compact and inexpensive car (by 1959 standards). The American economy entered a recession in 1958, and car sales nose-dived. If you look at production numbers for 1958 compared to 1957, you can see what was happening. The big chrome-laden hulks of the Big 3 were just sitting in the empty showrooms. But Studebaker - and American Motors - had new small cars that were easy to drive, comfortable, good on gas, and inexpensive to own. And consumers were buying. Studebaker had beat GM, Ford and Chrysler to market with the compact car. By 1960, the Corvair (Chevy), the Falcon/Comet (Ford/Mercury) and the Valiant (Chrysler) were on the scene and robbed sales from Studebaker.

If you're ever in or around South Bend, Indiana (Studebaker's home), visit the Studebaker National Museum there - it's very cool!

 
I forgot

there was 4th Studebaker in our family too. My Maternal grandpa had a 1955 Studebaker Hawk that was 3 toned, Coral, Cream and Charcoal Gray, the vinyl interior marched the paint job. It was a very pretty car and fast too. Grandpa had a Borg-Warner automatic in his Studie.

One more unusual quirk for the 62' GT Hawk that we owned was that the heater, for some strange reason was located under the drivers seat. Once we were on a trip up to our cabin in the Sierra's and it was snowing and my Dad was driving. My Mom, who was always cold said, "Jimmie turn up the heat, I'm freezing over here", to which he replied, " Jesus Christ Bettie, I'm fry'n my ass off over here". Oh, the memories of childhood!
Eddie[this post was last edited: 6/16/2016-16:07]
 
I love the look of the Gran Turismo!  If I had the means to own a collection, that one would be on my short list.

 

Subaru for a while produced a hill-holder clutch, but apparently by the time my 2003 Baja was manufactured, they had dropped it.  I'd be using the hell out of that system if the Baja's squirrely stick came with it.

 

I thought I read somewhere a long time ago that toward the end, Studebaker was using Ford's 260 and/or 289 engine for their V8 models.  If that was the case, those would be fairly reliable.  I can't speak to the transmissions, though.  A friend of mine had a mid '50s model temporarily in the early '80s as he facilitated repairs for it.  I went out for a drive in it with him and he asked me how I liked the "peanut butter" shifting of the automatic.  It was the strangest feeling automatic I've ever experienced.
 
Ralph, Studebaker used Borg-Warner automatics in their cars, and as far as I know they never developed their own auto transmission. I believe that our 62" GT Hawk had a 289 engine.
Eddie
 
Stude never used Ford engines. The 259, and 289 engines were all Studebaker. When the plants in South Bend closed, December 22, 1963, they also shut down the foundry. Canadian production continued into 1966 using GM McKinnon engines. A 283 V8, and I think the 250 six cylinder.

Studebaker used Warner and Detroit Gear automatic transmissions for the most part. They were good cars, but rusted badly. Styling was always important, Raymond Loewy, Bob Bourke, and Virgil Exner were just a couple of the designers who put their marks on Studebakers.

 

I'm a life member of the Studebaker Drivers Club. Many of the members use their Studes as daily drivers.
 
Studebaker was a very interesting company, and made some great cars. Like many of the smaller "independent" car companies, they introduced many innovative designs. I have read many books and articles on the company, my thought from what I have read is that the downfall probably began after the war. Studebaker quickly brought out the first all new post-war car, the very modern design 1946 Studebakers, complete with modern 'three box' design (instead of fast back or semi fast back) and the striking wrap around rear window on the coupes... and they were a sensation, 'first by far with a post war car'. The problem was that there were material shortages that limited production, and that after four years of no new civilian cars, buyers would buy any car they could get, including the warmed over 1942 models that the other manufacturers were selling. By the late 40s, it was more of a buyers market, and GM, Ford, and Chrysler were out with brand new designs to attract buyers... and Studebaker had its warmed over 1946 models (though very nicely updated with the cool bullet nose for 1950-51, and with a small block V8 in 1951). All new designs were delayed to 1953, which were the beautiful Loewy designed cars. The coupes in particular were beautiful, but some say that the design wasn't as successful on the volume cars, the sedans and wagons. Then there was the GM/Ford price war for market share that badly hurt the independents, and as Nash merged with Hudson to create American Motors, Studebaker entered the far less successful marriage with the faltering Packard. Although Studebaker did some amazing updates on small budgets, the 1953 engineering and chassis soldiered on. Even the Lark was a shortened version of those models, and you could tell when getting in because they didn't get the 'step down' design that other companies had moved to that allowed them to keep up with the lower design trends. They got a reprieve with the Lark... but only for that couple of years before Corvair, Falcon, and Valiant came out. When they badly needed new product, they developed the Avanti, a very good sports car, but it cost more than expected and incurred delays as they fine tuned manufacturing. Ultimately, many question whether as a financial matter, the board decided it was simply more profitable to focus on other lines of business (including STP!). An interesting piece of trivia... Studebaker owned exclusive distribution rights for Mercedes Benz in the US in the late 50s and early 60s... a right that they had to sell to raise cash as the end was nearing. Many older Mercedes dealers, such as one near my home, started life as a Studebaker dealer!

There are several books about the company and its cars, one of my favorites that covers it in detail is 'More than they Promised' by Thomas Bonsall.
 
The dealer that my Dad bought the 62" GT Hawk from was also the Mercedes and Volvo dealer in our city. BTW Jeff beautiful job on the Studebaker history! I bet you subscribe to Hemming's Classic Car, I love that magizine. I've been getting it as long as its been published.
Eddie[this post was last edited: 6/16/2016-19:41]
 
"notorious rust buckets"

That's for sure! About the time my sister learned to drive (Summer '74), my dad bought an old Studebaker from some people a couple blocks away. I don't remember what year it was, but probably somewhere between a '58 & '63. It was a medium blue color, but we found it had been repainted (probably Maaco) from the original gray.

The rust was so bad that my sister stepped in one day, and her foot went through the floorboard. My dad had someone cut a piece of steel and patch it. Soon after the brakes went out when she pulled into the driveway, knocking down part of the low wall at the end of the patio, then on down into the ravine. My dad had it towed away, and said he was finished with that piece of junk. I think he got her a Pontiac after that.
 

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