Stupid jetsystem!

[destroyer]

3rd time now on my electrolux EWF12108 the recirculation pump has got jammed with fluff or something else trivial and by the end of the wash -- it has burnt out.

Now I do love watching the washing machine go round, but I can't supervise it all day incase something jams the silly pump (first time a seed clogged it all up...).

At least make the pump a bit more resistant to items, or put in a simple cut out device if no flow has been detected.

What a silly design!

 

[askomiele]

I thought that pump was connected to the lintfilter zo nothing could block it!

 

[MrX]

We'd a Jet system in the early 90s, FJ1033. It was a nice washer but the recirculation pump died after a couple of years too. Then the replacement pump died! It was replaced under warranty, but we never bought a zanussi again as a result.

In general I think using pumps to recirculate the water is unnecessary and overly complex. Other machines, including Miele, Hotpoint/Ariston, Bosch, etc etc all do excellent washes by simply tumbling or scooping the water with the paddles. It seems just as effective.

The recirculation pumps in the Zanussi (Electrolux) seem pretty flimsy too. The one in our machine was just like a slightly bigger version of the drain pump!

Not entirely convinced about Jet System technology, I think it was just one of those cool 80s marketing gimics to sell more Zanussi products. After all they did call themselves "the appliance of science" so they had to do something "high tech"

 

[aeg03]

My AEG LAVAMAT 72640 has a water jet in it, it has been fine for 5 and half years. Only thing is that it has always been a bit noisy in use, it has never clogged.

I thought the design was universal across the AEG Zanussi Electrolux range.

 

[mrboilwash]

I`ve had an AEG with a water jet before I got my Miele and I hated it. Thanks to many other repairs I could return it to the dealer.
The recirculation pump never clogged but when I used powders it always sprayed undissolved powder onto the wash in the first rinse.
The other thing I didn`t like was the imagination what might happen to the water remaining in the pump or sump if I don`t wash every day and even I have to use low temps every now and then.
Ok someone could argue a dishwasher is just about the same. But usually a dishwasher heats to a sanitizing temperature even in an Eco50° programe.
I think in an American toploader a recirculation pump might be justified to remove lint, but in a frontloader I find them absolutely unnecessary and unsanitary.

 

[lavamat78800]

AEG Lavamat 78800

I have an AEG myself and I love it! It´s a great washer and I really like the recirculation pump. The Jet-System never clogged up in over 3 years and it´s running 2 cycles a day...The only contra is that it always sprays a bit water from the mainwash and the rinses in the next rinse....but all in all a great washer....still of the fact that it isn´t of high quality..
I have to say that mine washes so much better than my old AEG washer I had before the 78800 and which did not have a Jet-System....it always took much time till the washing was wet and the rinsing results weren´t good either.
I´m very pleased with the rinsing results on my new, I think it´s more efficient than other new washing machines from Miele/Bosch and so on.

 

[aeg03]

LAVAMAT 7880

Yeah I agree about the mainwash water going onto the rinse. To be honest though regardless of what machine you have there will be some residue of water going back into the rinse water.

I find the AEG with water jet does a good job as it hardly uses much water but the rescirculation of water constantly onto the clothes halps drive water through the fabrics WHY SOAK WHEN CAN SHOWER so they say.

The only think I don't like is the noise the pump makes when spraying the clothes. I've posted a vid of this. As I've noted previosuly I don't like how the machine cannot handle out of balaced loads very well but apart from that its a fairly good machine. As I wondered from this post, do Electrolux change the circulation pump design for each of their brands? who knows.

 

[lavamat78800]

You´re right!

I sometimes really hate the noise it does...but only sometimes...most of time it´s pretty quiet! But when it´s loud I always beat against the cabinet LOL...

 

[destroyer]

It does bring the noise of the washer up a lot, without the recirc pump the washer is very very quiet.

I'm still not convinced the recirc pump does much to be honest.

That pump is only spraying a 1.5cm wide jet of water, now when you have a large load, that is only reaching a very small amount of the clothing, and since there is water at the bottom of the drum, i'm not sure what tricking the water over it achieves.

Rinsing on the machine is poor anyway since there isnt enough water in the drum to extract a reasonable amount of detergent.

I will continue running the washer without the recirc pump working, as it seems to work fine except it is quieter.

All the plonkers needed to do was put a filter on it (as some of you suggested) and then the sily thing wouldn't jam and burn out.

Not rocket science, I am continually amazed how little or brainless testing is carried out on appliances and electronics these days..

 

[aeg03]

Destroyer. What Electrolux should have done is use the Pump that they put on their AEG and Zanussi machines (Incase these are different) Which I doubt very much.

If Electrolux was to put a lint filter I can imagine this needing maintenance every so often because of lint and other items stapping and therefore preventing water flow. I think this was a complaint with some of the 90s Zanussi's which used a lint filter to stop items going into the pump it would mean cleaning for which in reality people don't like to do. Its odd because I have never had a problem with my AEG rescirculation pump and I can't imagine something as a seed damaging this as this would be trapped by the discharge pump cover on the front of the machine which I check every 1 to 2 years.

I believe the circulation pump does make a little difference becuase in my older Indesit machine it wouldn't 'Wet' the clothes properly for ages in the first 20 mins of the cycle whereas the AEG wets all parts very quickly even with bigger loads. The load with get saturated from where the waters enteres the drum from the top left part of the drum, the bottom of the drum and also the circulation pump on top of the glass door.

It may not be as hygeniec as others but to be honest I'm not really that bothered by that, as long as my clothes come out clean, but I get that though.

 

[destroyer]

You have a point re wetting large loads, but I am more of a "higher water level" man

The first time it had blocked, the actual tube leading upto the top of the drum was blocked by a seed, and it took the engineer ages to get to it and blow the seed out, which would have been solved by a filter so it could never enter the pump in the first place. Second time the pump just packed in due to a bit of fluff in it. This time a small amount of fluff from some towels had jambed the pump impellor and burnt out within the wash cycle.

Strange thing is this machine is looked after, nothing heavily dirty of fluffy goes in it, so if it does it to me it must be doing it to other owners out there.

My old Zanussi too had a jetsystem -- no problems with that.

 

[newwave1]

I like the jetsystem, the only flaw being it does dump suds onto the rinse.

The jet on my mums AEG has never gone wrong in the entire time we've had it.

My zanussi fj1033 jet is good as it showers through the paddles and over the rim of the drum. which is great for absorbtion.

I have to agree that it does help with getting the load wet quicker when washing bulky loads!

Darren

 

[samsungfl]

My Jetsystem Experience...

... Was one of dissapointment unfortunatley, was very happy with it for a month or two because I wasnt used to the technology of it, but then I started realising that It made rinsing much harder because the jetsystem seemed to create suds because of the power of it which was a shame!

Also im not too sure if anyone else has noticed this but white laundry always seemed to come out discoloured and I believe this was due to the hot dirty water being constantly powered at the laundry through the jetsystem!

To sum up I think the Jetsystem is a good idea but needs some more thought in its design so it can give good results

Richard

 

[launderess]

Read somewhere ages ago, that once front loaders begin using water levels in ratio to pounds of laundry being washed, below a certian point, some sort of forced circulation system is needed to ensure proper results.

IMHO adding yet another system is one more thing that can go wrong to a front loader. There are some large commercial front loaders that use injector water systems, but most always the hose/spray comes through the portal window on the front.

 

[panthera]

Don't

the recirculating pumps make possible that slightly more efficient heating design? The water is forced through a rather small tube with the heating coil wrapped directly around it? I seem to recall that was one of the reasons for this design. Eliminates/minimizes much of the scale build up problem and permits the use of less water.

I suppose, in the end, you just have to check your laundry over extra thoroughly. A pain, esp. if you have grown up with the Hoovers which would forgive just about any sin.

 

[mrboilwash]

I think the first generations of recirc Zanussis had that kind of "flow through" heater for better efficiency.
But my AEG which was approximately purchased in 2002 certainly had the heater coils on the bottom of the tub just like any other washer, too. Not sure about the current situation.

 

[lavamat78800]

My 3 years old...

AEG Lavamat 78800 has a normal heating element on the bottom of the tub too.
Not sure about the new introduced generation of AEG-washers.

My neighbours also had an AEG Lavamat (6-7 years old). Last summer they were experiencing problems with the washing and rinsing results...as they say the Jet-System had been broken....so here you see that the Jet-system is necessary on Electrolux branded washing machines coz they only use a very small amount of water.

 

[aeg03]

Destroyer. That's real unlucky, maybe theres a problem with the machine itself, may be a part missing, I mean something like a seed should not cause the machine to stop. My AEG can handle fluff, seeds, buttons etc and these simply get trapped in the rubber seal of the machine or get trapped in the filter in the bottom right of the machine. I have to say my machine is very good with keeping items in the drum, I remeber the 1983 Servis Slimeline Electronic I grew up with, it used to swallow whole socks and cause huge problems regularly - that machine had some character lol.

 

[samsungfl]

I think its more poor design than being un lucky personally, my Zanussi Jetsystem machine from 2006 suffered problems like that, small things would clog it up and make the water just trickle out of the jetsystem occasionally, or things would get stuck in the jetsystem opening in the door seal, this was the Jetsystem that wasnt around for very long, the yellow one with the 3 spray jet angle thing, or what ever they called it LOL!

Maybe that design wasnt around for very long because it wasnt very reliable?

Richard