Stupid jetsystem!

[aeg03]

Newwave

The vid I've ssen of ur AEG works exactly like mine. I wonder if the newer machine that no longer do spin rinses have been replaced with more water also. I notice though that the AEG also has its paddles which scoop water to top of the drum and shower it back down, so we benefit from the power jet and the paddles - For the paddles to scoop anything there has to be a good amount of water in the machine though.

It seems our models use the bare minnimum which I like cos I don't like a lot of water to be used.

 

[hotpoint9534]

AEG03

I'm glad someone remembers them! I was starting to wonder if i'd been imagining it. It's such a shame Electrolux didn't stick with the solid steel tubs from the Zanussi days. The build quality back then could certainly rival any German built machine.

When the split tub Zanussis with the plastic drum paddles came in about 1991 I never felt the machines were as stable or solid after that. I knew someone with a split tub WDJ1285 that would actually walk round the floor on spin. The old design FL1012 and 'Z' Series machines never did that!

I'm currently running a 95 degree wash on my super quiet Z9191T. 25 years old can't be bad!

Tom.

 

[newwave1]

Tom,
My fj1033 i've just aquirred is in our tin shed outside on ceramic tiles, it doesn't shift at all on spin, i was expectin a bit of a difference from my solid drum zanussi w/d.

Ahh im not insane then, i thought those zanussis span in the wash! Was it really every few minutes? I heard a rumour this only happened when the heavy soil button was pressed?

Darren

 

[redcarpetdrew]

Recirc. pumps...

Maytag's FL washers (MAH4000 series) had a recirculation pump due to the liquid soap settling in the sump while sitting in delay start. The idea was to get that soap up out of the sump and back into the load when the unit started washing.

 

[hotpoint9534]

Darren,
I've only seen the Electrolux WD3000T spin in the wash, there was no heavy soil button on this. You selected 'B' main wash on the dial and then selected the temperature on the other dial which also switched the machine on! If 'C' quick wash wash chosen there were no spins during the wash.

If i remember correctly the tumbling was something like this:
CW - CW - AntiCW - AntiCW - CW - CW - AntiCW - *AntiCW Spin* -CW - CW....
... and so on throughout the main wash. So it was every couple minutes or so.

Also worth noting that on Delicates and Woollens there was no Jetsystem at all on those cycles. At the end of the final rinse the machine would fill to just above the middle of the glass then stop. You had to manually move the timer to spin.

With regard to the WDJ1285, it had some programmer trouble where the machine would burst into spin before the water drained out and this was the main cause of the unbalancing!

Tom

 

[hotpoint9534]

Here is the manual for the WD3000T:
http://www.serviceforce.co.uk/pdfs/U03145.pdf
If anyone ever comes across one of these models I'd gladly pay over the odds for it. A truly amazing piece of machinery!

Tom

 

[newwave1]

Tom,
I love those opaque door electrolux machines! i too would love one! i love zanussi and electrolux stuff! anyone want a hotpoint wt960g while i'm at it? lol.

Darren

 

[dubstar85]

My Granparents had an Electrolux WH1025 and "matching" dishwasher BW320. I loved those machines! I did realise when i was small that they were the same as Zanussi washing machines as my auntie had a WD9091i

The dishwasher was really quiet too. Always smelt of lemons haha

I would also love to have one of the black door machines again!!

David

Heres a picture i found in Robs collection

 

[timon90]

I also like the Blackdoor E.luxes. My aunt has washer WH2900 and matching dryer WT252, both with black door.

 

[newwave1]

Heres one out of my elux file, i found this on ebay. if only the damn thing was closer!

Darren

 

[newwave1]

timon90,
I love the video you did of your aunts machine! I would have loved to see more of it!

Darren

 

[hotpoint9534]

Timon90,

Am I correct in thinking the WH2900 was a Jetsystem model? I love the way the machine is switched on using the temperature dial.

The most sophisticated black door model sold in the UK was the WH2125 Jetsystem, there being no actual Zanussi equivalent! Of course the king of all black door Electroluxes was the WD3000T washer dryer.

I nearly bought a WH818, but it was a long way to fetch it and really I want one of the more advanced Jetsystem machines.

Tom

 

[hotpoint9534]

On this PDF file you can see the timer chart for the WD3000T. Note where it says: "Includes Short Spin Of Maximum 400rpm Every Two Mins" in the key. I really wasn't imagining things!

http://procornerpdf.electrolux.com/Pictures/Info/U0000/C05/369EN.PDF

 

[MrX]

Think it inspired anything else??

I wonder if it inspired the Indesit Moon designers ?

My grandmother had the machine pictured in the post above (Black door Electrolux) it lasted years!
Were they all JetSystem ?

 

[MrX]

I think you pulled out the programme selection knob to start them, not the temp knob.

Many washers in the 1970s / 80s used that method of starting.

 

[timon90]

I had a WH3000T before, but the timer was bad, and I throwed the machine away. I've realized now that I should have saved the motor from that, and used this on the WH2900. The bearings in the WH2900motor is making some noise, and is not to get as a sparepart anymore.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Spin Washing

When the JetSystem first appeared it was quite a revolution, no other manufacturer could reduce the consumption of water to the same level at the time....

The Spin Wash was introduced following a lot of research about Laundry Methods and best practice for best results....one of the key elements for introducing it was the reliability and effect of spinning soapy water out of clothes like TwinTubs etc....

Think about it four mins of washtime, then spin all that hot soapy water out of the clothes!!!, that action probably moved any stains etc that the previous washtime did not...

I do like the AEG with Directa Jet, never had any complaints about them blocking though!!!as with anything a lot of components are just reduced down in cost now until they fail and are thrown/replaced...

 

[hotpoint9534]

mrx

On most of the WH series you did indeed pull the programmer knob out to start the machine. However, on the WH2125 and the WD3000T (including Timons WH2900 which was never available here) you *turned* the temperature dial clockwise from '0' to your selected temperature to switch the machine on.

 

[hotpoint9534]

I forgot to mention...

Only the high end models had Jetsystem (if it did spins in the wash it would have Jetsystem), the basic models such as the WH818 had an induction motor and very similar timer to my Z9191T.

Tom

 

[aeg03]

Pic of my 2002 AEG Lavamat 72640 with Spin Rinse Water Jet

Not got the nice LOCD as the above but its a pretty reliable machine.

 

[aeg03]

The Jet during the wash

Driving water and detergent through the load with minimmum amount of water.

 

[aeg03]

Rinse

clothes pinned to drum in first stage of rinse with jet

 

[lavamat_jon]

I had an AEG 86741, didn't have any problems at all with the jet! Always was nice and thick and soaked the load down pretty well. Although the 86741 wasn't that water stingy, always used a decent level as well as the recirculation pump, lowest level was where water was in the door seal touching the rim of the drum. My grandparents have the machine now and it's still running strong jet intact and everything, as far as I was aware the same pump is used for recirculating the water as is draining the water out so nothing should really become stuck in the jet as water goes through the pump filter first.

Jon

 

[aeg03]

lavamat jon

That's true its the same pump that drains out the water that pumps the water through the drum, so it is constantly in use. Mine has never been a problem, just is a bit on noisy side when the jet is on.

Hair clips, coins are normally held in the door seal but if any makes into the drian pump it is captured by the filter.

 

[platinum6]

I love those Zanussi/AEG/Electrolux Jetsystem washing machines, I think they're just great! I reckon Zanussi was ahead of it's game when it first came out and having a great way of using less water, energy and detergent. It's a good thing it caught on with other brands lol!

The first time I observed a Jetsystem in action was at my old school, they had a late 1998 WJS1397W Washer-Dryer in a medium-sized kitchen and I found it really good fun to watch.

The Jetsystem gave the effect that it was constantly filling with water when it wasn't. But of course, the recirculation pump was doing the work.

I've noticed that it got quite sudsy during the wash too, Biological Ariel Powder was the only thing used in it and the water from the recirculation pump was made responsible for this and often caused sudslocks on wash-spins lol! But it managed to clear out the suds during the rinsing.

In fact it's so good, I wouldn't mind owing one of these myself! They're not all bad you know, especially the washing action on early models. I'd love to see that in action one day!

Long the Jetsystem may continue for many years to come!

Here's a pic of the machine, it's not the best quality pic but at least it was a good machine.

You know what, I think I'm slowly falling in love with Lavamat Jon on here, he's one of the nicest people I've ever met online and on here of course!

Could this be love on the Washer Forum? Lets hope so lol!

 

[rolls_rapide]

Wash-spins...

...Funny you should say that, as my Grandfather had a Zanussi machine from 1999, and I was almost certain that it did that.

However, my Zanussi IZ16 from 2001 does not. It does rinse-spins instead.

I wonder if they discovered a problem with wash-spins?

As for sudslock, I always got the impression (and still do) that the laundry detergents were far too foamy. Shouldn't they be as non-foamy as dishwasher detergent? Maybe simple washing soda is the answer.

 

[aeg03]

Foamy Jet Wash