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Guy, what model do you have?
Guy, what model do you have?
Swedish Electrolux EWC-1350 help needed...
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dj-gabriele
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You're right about what you said but with such a high load resistive + inductive with surge currents you risk in burning the inverter the first time you use it unless it is really able to hande what the machine requires
You're right about what you said but with such a high load resistive + inductive with surge currents you risk in burning the inverter the first time you use it unless it is really able to hande what the machine requires
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My brain must still be on vacation...
I don't think Guy/bellalaundry ever posted the nameplate of this machine. I was going by that the heater would not be used. When I said the above statements, I was thinking inductive and small loads, like laptop power supplies, etc. You are VERY right about the resistive load part of this machine. If the heater is used its resistive load would require constant current all the time. Resistive loads are very demanding on the power source. I consider things with heaters to be a heavy load. Surge currents would be ok for the inverter to handle. Otherwise he would need a heavy duty inverter. BUT, if the machine was to be used on the warm or cold setting, would the heater still activate? I suppose that Guy could disconnect the heater, but he'd have the thermostat to deal with so that the machine could progress through the cycle.
I don't think Guy/bellalaundry ever posted the nameplate of this machine. I was going by that the heater would not be used. When I said the above statements, I was thinking inductive and small loads, like laptop power supplies, etc. You are VERY right about the resistive load part of this machine. If the heater is used its resistive load would require constant current all the time. Resistive loads are very demanding on the power source. I consider things with heaters to be a heavy load. Surge currents would be ok for the inverter to handle. Otherwise he would need a heavy duty inverter. BUT, if the machine was to be used on the warm or cold setting, would the heater still activate? I suppose that Guy could disconnect the heater, but he'd have the thermostat to deal with so that the machine could progress through the cycle.
I will be bringing
the machine to the dump on the weekend. Lesson learned...no electronics for foreign machines!
The AEG Lavmat that I have and use sometimes is a Lavamat 240...the one that shakes around a lot on it's final spin. There are a couple of videos on Youtube that show the dancing around!
Guy
the machine to the dump on the weekend. Lesson learned...no electronics for foreign machines!
The AEG Lavmat that I have and use sometimes is a Lavamat 240...the one that shakes around a lot on it's final spin. There are a couple of videos on Youtube that show the dancing around!
Guy
Lavamat 240
Great machine! I have a Lavamat 220. I'm too familiar with the shaking of these machines!
Great machine! I have a Lavamat 220. I'm too familiar with the shaking of these machines!
Loius...
I'm curious...are you able to find replacement control knobs? One of mine is missing!
Guy
I'm curious...are you able to find replacement control knobs? One of mine is missing!
Guy
I never needed one. Actually I never have come across one either. Which one is missing? And what color is your control panel, white or brown?
Eddy1210 here knows a repairman in Vancouver who repairs German appliances (mainly Miele and AEG), he might be able to help you. Eddy can give you his address.
Eddy1210 here knows a repairman in Vancouver who repairs German appliances (mainly Miele and AEG), he might be able to help you. Eddy can give you his address.
While some older machines may survive on a US phase-to-phase 240V 60Hz supply, there is no guarantee that you will not cause problems as it is not what they're designed to be connected to.
European power is normally 230V 50Hz standardised within the following tolerances 230 V ± 6% at 50 Hz = 216.2 to 243.8 Volts
USA and Canada 120V ± 5% at 60 Hz or phase-to-phase ± 5%
= 228 to 252 Volts
So, if the machine's tolerances are finely tuned to European specs, it's possible that a constant US supply that was set a little high on the spec, could fry the circuitry.
European power is normally 230V 50Hz standardised within the following tolerances 230 V ± 6% at 50 Hz = 216.2 to 243.8 Volts
USA and Canada 120V ± 5% at 60 Hz or phase-to-phase ± 5%
= 228 to 252 Volts
So, if the machine's tolerances are finely tuned to European specs, it's possible that a constant US supply that was set a little high on the spec, could fry the circuitry.
Ah did a little more research!
I did a little bit of googling and it seems Electrolux's European machines display error flashes in the form of hexadecimal codes. More modern machines have displays so do not need to flash codes in pulses.
So, instead of counting 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
Count: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F
Error codes all start with "E" so, they just ignore E.
11 flashes = B
You need to count for 1,2 or 3 flashes after the 11 flashes for the finer detail.
So, the error code you're getting is
EB something..
EB1 = Incorrect mains frequency
EB2 = Mains voltage too high.
EB3 = Mains voltage too low.
Mains in standard English is the same as "line" in US English.
More info below:
So, Mains Frequency = Line Frequency.
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/...3068-zanussi-washing-machine-error-codes.html
I did a little bit of googling and it seems Electrolux's European machines display error flashes in the form of hexadecimal codes. More modern machines have displays so do not need to flash codes in pulses.
So, instead of counting 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
Count: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F
Error codes all start with "E" so, they just ignore E.
11 flashes = B
You need to count for 1,2 or 3 flashes after the 11 flashes for the finer detail.
So, the error code you're getting is
EB something..
EB1 = Incorrect mains frequency
EB2 = Mains voltage too high.
EB3 = Mains voltage too low.
Mains in standard English is the same as "line" in US English.
More info below:
So, Mains Frequency = Line Frequency.
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/...3068-zanussi-washing-machine-error-codes.html
A bit of historical background 
Also, a lot of major appliances are not made as a universal design for the whole world as they may not be marketed worldwide.
Washing machines in general are quite market-specific and, in general, European machines are still made in Europe for European customers to European specs. It's quite unlike the consumer electronics industry where one appliance is made for the whole planet.
The 230V 50Hz market is also absolutely vast compared to the 120/240V 60Hz market. It's basically most of the planet, except the US, Canada, Japan and a few other places.
220-230V 50Hz European-derived standard, but it applies in the EU/EEA countries (507 million people, world's largest single market), all of the former Soviet Union / CIS (276 million people) , China (1.33 billion people), India (1.17 billion), the entire African continent (1.1 billion people), Australia, NZ, as well as a large chunk of South America. Half of Japan also uses 100V 50Hz..
So, all in all, you can be a consumer appliance manufacturer and not even think about 60Hz. There's an utterly vast market for 50Hz products, usually to a European-like spec. in design too.
The divide was fairly simple really.
In the US, Westinghouse was the main driver behind AC power in the early days and they decided on 60 cycles per second. It was fast enough not to flicker noticeably on incandescent lights and generators didn't have to spin ridiculously fast. 60Hz makes some sense as it's 60 cycles per second and there are 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour. In the early days, synchronising mains frequency with clocks and using it as a driver for accurate clocks was a big selling point so it made some logical sense to them to pick that frequency. (3600 cycles per minute)
Meanwhile in Europe, the main drivers behind the 50Hz standard, which was developed in parallel to the US system, were the likes of Siemens, AEG, ASEA, Ferranti and English Electric, Alstom etc etc...
From a European perspective, 50Hz made sense as it's 100 peaks and 100 troughs per second (50 complete cycles per second). The European preference tends to be for metric, so to the electrical engineers here it made a absolute sense to pick a number that fitted into something mathematically related to 100.
It's also 3000 cycles / minute which is a round number.
Again, 50Hz was fast enough to produce no noticeable flicker in incandescent bulbs but, slow enough to not provide any great engineering difficulties for the generation stations.
There's really no technical advantage or reason to prefer one to the other, they're just electrical conventions. The most important thing is that you pick and stick to one or the other, or it makes life VERY complicated!
220V seems to have been arrived at in Europe quite early on. I know Irish electrical systems were standardised at 220V 50Hz certainly by about 1925, and the standard definitely predates that by a couple of decades.
The first commercial AC power plant was opened in Depford in London by Ferranti in the 1880s. It predates Westinghouse's use of it by quite a while. That station was connected to a 10,000V local grid and output power at 83.3 Hz (5,000 cycles per minute.)
Also, a lot of major appliances are not made as a universal design for the whole world as they may not be marketed worldwide.
Washing machines in general are quite market-specific and, in general, European machines are still made in Europe for European customers to European specs. It's quite unlike the consumer electronics industry where one appliance is made for the whole planet.
The 230V 50Hz market is also absolutely vast compared to the 120/240V 60Hz market. It's basically most of the planet, except the US, Canada, Japan and a few other places.
220-230V 50Hz European-derived standard, but it applies in the EU/EEA countries (507 million people, world's largest single market), all of the former Soviet Union / CIS (276 million people) , China (1.33 billion people), India (1.17 billion), the entire African continent (1.1 billion people), Australia, NZ, as well as a large chunk of South America. Half of Japan also uses 100V 50Hz..
So, all in all, you can be a consumer appliance manufacturer and not even think about 60Hz. There's an utterly vast market for 50Hz products, usually to a European-like spec. in design too.
The divide was fairly simple really.
In the US, Westinghouse was the main driver behind AC power in the early days and they decided on 60 cycles per second. It was fast enough not to flicker noticeably on incandescent lights and generators didn't have to spin ridiculously fast. 60Hz makes some sense as it's 60 cycles per second and there are 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour. In the early days, synchronising mains frequency with clocks and using it as a driver for accurate clocks was a big selling point so it made some logical sense to them to pick that frequency. (3600 cycles per minute)
Meanwhile in Europe, the main drivers behind the 50Hz standard, which was developed in parallel to the US system, were the likes of Siemens, AEG, ASEA, Ferranti and English Electric, Alstom etc etc...
From a European perspective, 50Hz made sense as it's 100 peaks and 100 troughs per second (50 complete cycles per second). The European preference tends to be for metric, so to the electrical engineers here it made a absolute sense to pick a number that fitted into something mathematically related to 100.
It's also 3000 cycles / minute which is a round number.
Again, 50Hz was fast enough to produce no noticeable flicker in incandescent bulbs but, slow enough to not provide any great engineering difficulties for the generation stations.
There's really no technical advantage or reason to prefer one to the other, they're just electrical conventions. The most important thing is that you pick and stick to one or the other, or it makes life VERY complicated!
220V seems to have been arrived at in Europe quite early on. I know Irish electrical systems were standardised at 220V 50Hz certainly by about 1925, and the standard definitely predates that by a couple of decades.
The first commercial AC power plant was opened in Depford in London by Ferranti in the 1880s. It predates Westinghouse's use of it by quite a while. That station was connected to a 10,000V local grid and output power at 83.3 Hz (5,000 cycles per minute.)
cfz2882
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anyone have a wiring diagram for this washer?-should be a way to trick it into
working on 60 hz...if that is indeed the problem(looks like it is...)motors will
run a little fast on 60hz if induction(pump might be synchronus wet rotor"magnetic"
that will run fast too)I have run 50hz motors on 60 hz many times and it doesn't
seem to bother them-electric motors are pretty tough.
anyone have a wiring diagram for this washer?-should be a way to trick it into
working on 60 hz...if that is indeed the problem(looks like it is...)motors will
run a little fast on 60hz if induction(pump might be synchronus wet rotor"magnetic"
that will run fast too)I have run 50hz motors on 60 hz many times and it doesn't
seem to bother them-electric motors are pretty tough.
The problem is more likely to be down to the fact that most current generation European front loaders use full variable speed drives rather than simple motors. The incoming AC power won't impact on the motor speed, but it may not be compatible with the drive-control electronics.
The electronics rectify the incoming AC power and then re-modulate it into wave forms to control the speed of the motor by varying the frequency.
See below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-frequency_drive
The electronics rectify the incoming AC power and then re-modulate it into wave forms to control the speed of the motor by varying the frequency.
See below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-frequency_drive
That makes me curious..
Any modern personal computer will have a power supply which can take anything between 100 volts straight up to 240 volts as long as the power supply doesn't have a voltage selector switch. You can feed anything from DC straight up to 60 hertz into them and they won't care, they'll always put out 12v and 5v.
Why not drive the control electronics with a power supply like that?
The other issue I think, would be the heater elements. I think the most cost effective solution would be to have a voltage selector switch in the rear of the machine which would switch a step-up transformer in or out so the heater element always sees 240 v. The added cost would be minimal.
As long as the washer doesn't draw more than 1300 watts with the heater on, it would be OK.. but I'm sure a lot of UK machines draw around 3000 watts...
Any modern personal computer will have a power supply which can take anything between 100 volts straight up to 240 volts as long as the power supply doesn't have a voltage selector switch. You can feed anything from DC straight up to 60 hertz into them and they won't care, they'll always put out 12v and 5v.
Why not drive the control electronics with a power supply like that?
The other issue I think, would be the heater elements. I think the most cost effective solution would be to have a voltage selector switch in the rear of the machine which would switch a step-up transformer in or out so the heater element always sees 240 v. The added cost would be minimal.
As long as the washer doesn't draw more than 1300 watts with the heater on, it would be OK.. but I'm sure a lot of UK machines draw around 3000 watts...
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to have a voltage selector switch
In theory that could be done but it would be very expensive and it would render the machine bulky with many more electronic components.
A transformer for 2500 VA would weight as much as the machine and switching transformers like the ones used for notebooks or other worldwide travel appliances are designed only for small voltages and amperages.
This plus the fact that 110-120V 60Hz countries are a minority renders this a non-issue for the manufacturers.
In theory that could be done but it would be very expensive and it would render the machine bulky with many more electronic components.
A transformer for 2500 VA would weight as much as the machine and switching transformers like the ones used for notebooks or other worldwide travel appliances are designed only for small voltages and amperages.
This plus the fact that 110-120V 60Hz countries are a minority renders this a non-issue for the manufacturers.
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