the dishwasher detergent thing and the bleach

[DADoES]

 
I have for years often collected loads over several days ... 3 to 4 is not unusual ... no odor or bugs.

An odor did develop from morn to evening or evening to the next morn or noon when running Rinse/Hold on the KDI-17a according to its intended usage.  I found that odor was avoided by not running Rinse/Hold so as to not have the machine and accumulating dishware moist with residual dirty water.

 

[bradfordwhite]

I wouldn't even think to try and take away the dishwash

I know there are loyalists here and busy people at that. I'm not sending the dishwasher police. Enjoy your dishwasher fun.

I'm just trying to help by stating that the rare item that gets stained or has stuck on food will come clean if you simply rinse it or wipe it off first, and if it needs it fill it with water and let simply soak a while.

Not EVERYTHING, not even most things.

Then wash it all in the dishwasher.

A good metaphor-
Which is easier to clean up or remove: wet or dry glue? Wet or dry paint? Wet or dry caulk?

 

[combo52]

Getting dishes clean in a dishwasher

It is far easier just to put everything in and every once in a while clean one in a 100 items by hand than trying to guess what’s not going to get clean and spending time pre-soaking etc.

Dishwashers do not burn on food it’s really no harder to clean before or after it’s been run through a dishwasher.

Anything that could be simply rinsed off is a cinch for any dishwasher to clean.

John L

 

[askolover]

yeah, I give my DW the benefit of the doubt first. It goes in dirty. If it's still dirty when it comes out, there's still a lot less to contend with. Less to scrub. Then it can go back in for the next wash. I've been pleasant surprised most times when it all came out clean....especially with the Maytag Jetclean.

 

[mrboilwash]

I could imagine if someone is very anal about their dishes they might argue if one item didn`t come clean the rest of the load couldn`t possibly be entirely clean, because this one item might have spoiled the last rinse water.

 

[neptunebob]

It is kind of like that in a hospital central sterile supply

If a load of surgical instruments comes out of a steam sterilizer wet (it's not supposed to be) that whole load must be processed from the beginning again. So people who work in health care might think that about the dishwasher.

As for my mom who pre-rinses, I have our dishwasher programmed for the light wash in a hope to extend the life of the machine since there is not much soil there.

 

[chachp]

Rejects

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">If we have a reject I just run the item through again not the entire load.  We very seldom have a reject.  I won't mention this thread to my germaphobe husband who may want to redo the entire load.  </span>

 

[bpetersxx]

sorry to resurrect an old thread

But here goes

Going to bleach my cups and saucers

Should I use the bleach in the long part of the cycle or the detergent

then for the short part of the cycle the rinse that follows the wash use the other one bleach or detergent

oh the cycle heats all of the time as it advances thru the intervals of the cycle

thankkees

 

[qsd-dan]

Ideally, you'd want to use it in the shortest cycle. The problem is that most modern dishwashers do not have a rinse between the pre wash and main wash cycles and bleach will destroy the enzymes in the main wash. You could get around that by using a detergent that contains bleach. If you have long pre wash cycle that heats to a target temperature, you can you do a lukewarm purge at the faucet and use an enzyme detergent in the pre wash cycle and a bleach detergent in the main wash to take advantage of both styles of detergents.

 

[launderess]

For both stain removal and disinfection chlorine bleach requires remarkably short contact time. Whatever stains aren't removed or germs killed in five or so minutes isn't going to happen. Times are actually shorter with hot or very hot water.

This is one reason commercial/industrial laundries use chlorine bleach in short first "rinse" cycle after main wash, or inject in last few minutes of final wash bath. Commercial dishwashers have very short cycles and chlorine bleach products work fine in terms of stain removal and germ killing within those parameters.

Problem you're going to have with using chlorine bleach with modern domestic dishwasher detergents is they usually have oxygen bleach; sodium percarbonate, sodium perborate, or some other form of hydrogen peroxide. Chlorine and oxygen bleaches cancel each other out. Indeed commercial laundries use oxygen based bleaching products as "anti-clor" sours in first rinse to neutralize chlorine bleach residue.

If using chlorine bleach in say first rinse after dishwasher drains main wash (after using oxygen based dw detergent), seems would be better. Otherwise you'll have to perhaps add more chlorine bleach to main wash in order to have a higher ratio of one to the other.

 

[volvoman]

"...You could get around that by using a detergent that contains bleach..."

Which begs the question: are there any dishwasher detergents left, that actually contain chlorine bleach? I'm not talking about the commercial variety, but a product that one can easily find on any store shelf?

 

[bpetersxx]

update5

well I am going to have to get regular bleach

the chlorolan beach I got cannot go into the Dw

it barely can be used in washers

it foams and suds like Tide

 

[DADoES]

 
Depends on the formula variation.  No-splash and scented types typically cause sudsing.  I've never tried Cloralen.

 

[askolover]

reply 29

Dollar Tree has Ultra Shine powder in a green box. It has Chlorine in it. It does a pretty good job too.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Cascade Platinum Plus

I currently use Cascade Platinum Plus here. I don't prerinse. Everything comes out shiny.

 

[awooff]

Reply 29, 32

Dollar tree powder detergent (contains chlorine) worked great for me as well with cooked on soils.

However, use it up fast as the clumped detergent portions of the box washed horribly. - cloudiness/soil remnants.

 

[givemehotwater]

@awooff & Askolover

I actually have used that Dollar Tree Ultra Shine too, and have had great results. Although, I boost it with a Teaspoon of STPP. The STPP brings the cleaning up to par with old Electrasol.

I've tried to love the Cascade Platinum and Finish Ultimate Quantum, but, so far... I either get excess suds which hander my Bosch Dishwasher, or results that are not really out of this world. I get far better results, and SAVE MONEY, by using conventional Cascade Complete Powder with a little added STPP.

Not only that, but, I've actually been rinse-aid free for close to two years now. I used to leave my dispenser at 1ml, but, I really don't see a huge increase in shininess. The built-in rinse aids in many powders do a fantastic job.

As for the member who suggested Pre-Washing the Dishes? All I've got to say is - Fuhgeddaboudit!

 

[givemehotwater]

@volvoman

Cascade Gel in the Bright Lime Green Bottle (Only the Lime Green), Palmolive Eco Gel, and the Store Brand Ultra Shine Dishwasher Powder from the Dollar Tree.

The Original Cascade Gel is probably my favorite of the 3, but, the Powder from Dollar Tree is a good product.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cascade-Gel-Dishwasher-Detergent-Lemon-Scent-120-fl-oz/15055991

https://www.acmemarkets.com/shop/product-details.960169728.html

https://www.dollartree.com/the-home...c-dishwasher-dish-detergent-25oz-boxes/249802

 

[rinso]

My late husband had the most delicious and clever sense of humor. While in college, we lived in an older multi unit apartment complex. While preparing Sunday breakfast one morning, the toaster started to smoke and spark. He took it apart to see if something got caught in the wiring, when out fell a dead, black roach. Without even a pause he announced "Well, there's our problem. The engineer died."

 

[askolover]

I think Palmolive has discontinued the Eco detergent in the white bottle...can't find it anywhere now.