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Fun video. I wonder if wash arm velocity is proportional to cleaning ability, depending on the make...? Would a Frigidaire Hydrosweep work better if slowed?

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The light is simply attached to a cord which is run out under the bottom edge of the plexiglas door and plugged into a wall socket. There is no switch on it and it is just meant to be temporary only used when I'm using the clear door.
 
Consulting KA Doctrine...

I've been reading the manuals for some of the KA models lately and found some interesting stats. Here's a bit of a summary for those interested in wash arm water volume and jet velocity, and some KA/Hobart milestones in the domestic lines.

KD-10 10/49 - 4/55 Cast Iron wash arm 40 gpm at 60 rpm

KD-11 4/55 - 4/57 Cast Iron wash arm 40 gpm at 60 rpm

KD-12 4/57 - 8/60 Improvements to rack designs, wash systems same as prev.

KD-14 8/60 - 12/64 Same stats for washing systems but now 3 models in this series with updated look for new "Superba" and "Imperial" models.

KD-15 12/64 - 3/68 HydroSweep wash arm 40 gpm at 52 rpm sani-cycle on Superba w/180F final rinse. All models have pump drains standard.

KD-16 3/68 - 5/71 Same washing stats but more cycles added and later in the series, the first Soak cycle and Party Cycles are offered.

KD-17 5/71 - 7/76 HydroSweep arm; 40 gpm at 45 rpm, 10 psi at each jet with constant rinse at top of tank. 16 position upper rack which was removable for washing very large items

KD-18 7/76 - 7/79 3 level wash system; first 50 gpm pump delivers 32 gpm to HydroSweep arm, 16 gpm to center arm, both moving at 35 rpm in opposing directions and 2 gpm to constant rinse above upper rack. "Patrician" model intro'd.

KD-19 7/79 - 2/81 Infamous Energy Saver system; 150F heated cycles but no heated drying. Improved center wash arm to reach corners of upper rack.

KD-20 2/81 - 3/84 Heated drying returns! Sani-cycle has 165F final rinse temp. Sure-Temp heats the first fill and during any phase using detergent.

KD-21 3/84 - 86-87? Major pump improvements, true waste disposal system, 7 decibels quieter than KD-17 series machines.
 
I have to say one thing about the WP/KA relation....At least WP stayed with the Hobart design for nearly ten years before they morphed it into what it is to day.Such a shame. It only seems like a few years ago,you could walk into a showroom,and the boldnesss of a KA dw would just drip quality,heavy chrome and the look of just plain durability all over it.It sucks what we have to pay for now
 
KA constant rinse above upper rack

Hi,

When did KA remove the "constant rinse above upper rack" To me that was a very stupid mistake. We bought an Energy saver Superba in 1983 and it did was exceptionaly well but we would get as we called sand stuck in some of the concave bottoms of things in the upper rack. But as you said they were built like trucks. In 1997 when the motor burned out we decided not te replace it with another very exspensive but cheaply built KA. SOn't laugh but we bought a Frigidaire Gallery and it actually does a far superior job at wahing

Mike
 
It looks that Electrolux has improved the quality of Frigidaire
somewhat.I like the current dw's from Frigidaire. Three way lower wash arm and direct feed middle arm.The plastic tub seems to be of better quality than what WP is using in their tall tub machines.
 
Electrolux

Hi Agiflow
Actually I dont realy know how much a improvement Electrolux made. The newer machines are impressive with the 3 way arm and all these other things. But time will tell if they are quarlity machines. I still love my GE tall tub.
Peter
 
Consulting KA Doctrine...

My mom had the kds 19 series (KD-19 7/79 - 2/81 Infamous Energy Saver system; 150F heated cycles but no heated drying. Improved center wash arm to reach corners of upper rack.)

In fact only 4 months ago she replaced it. Cleaned very well but cycle time long. If you didn't use jetdry the drying performance wasen't great. They could have done a better job with the design and long water heating pauses. But todays machines run a long time also.

She now has GE tall tub like myself and likes the DW - but states that the KA was built like a tank. And yes where ever
you go you cannot get a solid built DW like that.

It's sad that the newer KA's are not great performers!

Peter
 
The fridigidaires

I think the best dishwashers, today, are Frigidaire mid and top of the line(domestic). I had a 2000, which they still make the same, SOO quiet and an excellent cleaning job. And the flexibility, you can do a half load with all the dishes on top or bottom, your choice, its so efficient.
On the flip side though, don't get the cheapest Frigidaires, the ones with the spindal in the middle of the lower rack, No.

Kitchenaids were the Best, what was whirlpool thinking in the late 90s? Now KA is nothing but a whirlpool with the KA name slapped on. I don't think they even divide the models the way they used to. The last time I looked they had 3 different functioning models and you could get each model in your choice of 3 different console types. 9 models total. Blah, Blah.
I like Roberts idea here, it's less messy than simply hot wiring the switch and leaving the door open. Something I tried as a young adolescent. But the machine was outside when I turned it on.
 
In defense of Kitchenaid, I own a Kenmore Elite (Kitchenaid clone) and can honestly say it is the BEST cleaning dishwasher I have EVER had! And as a repairman, I've tried them all. GE standard tub is too hard to load;always hated the bottom rack. Frigidaires have improved over the last few years, but I'm not crazy about plastic tubs anymore. I do think stainless steel makes a big difference in holding the heat better. I liked my Whirlpool with the silverware in the door. Out first d/w was a D&M Kenmore with roto-rack. Did a good job but was noisy and used a lot of water. Same for Kitchenaid, though the quality was better. Honestly, for as little water as it uses, most all my pots & pans and dishes come out gleaming and squeeky clean. I don't remember the last time I bought a box of Brillo soap pads! Enzyme detergent certainly helps with cleaning stubborn food soils.
And I never prerinse!!! Cycle times are long, and the shorter time saver cycles don't clean heavy soil well. That's my 2 cents!
 
My father had a Frigidaire dishwasher and I hated it from day one!!!
Very hard to load, never clean pots and pans well on the top rack!
Screws was coming loose off the door all the time and what broke the camels back was when the heating element burned a hole through the tub while it wash washing dishes!

Here's the proof.....
In my book, Figidaire will never get another dollar out of me unless they bring the 1-18 back!


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It's cool to have the actual dates for the various KA series. I only had the ads in National Geographic to go by for rough estimates. (When I was 14, I'm sure nobody believed that I was leafing through old National Geographics for the KitchenAid ads.) My parents got their 21-series in July 1988 (from Petropoulos Brothers in Waukegan IL if anyone remembers them) so they were made at least until then. Whirlpool had bought KA by then so its model number is KUDS21MS0. I believe it was the first WhisperQuiet model--fairly noisy by today's standards (noisy, but not loud, if that makes any sense). I remember seeing a 22-series at Petropoulos before they went out of business which was the summer of 1989, so the 21 series must have been made until somewhere in late 88-early 89. The 20 and 21 series were fairly efficient for the day (even compared to some of today's models). The Normal cycle on the 21 series is only 4 fills (prewash/rinse/wash/rinse) and I believe 8.5 gallons total.

T.
 
plastic vs SS heat conductivity

I hate to say it, but plastic would obviously hold the heat better, plastic is a very poor heat conductor whereas SS would immediately conduct the heat to the outside of the DW. In reality, probably doesn't matter much today since virtually every decent DW is fiberglass insulated.
 
Robert, thank you for the video. I finally got to view it at work today. Steve-1-18, the revolution speed of the wash arm was about what I expected given I'd sit with my head against the front panel of a KA and listen to how often that one arm with the jets closest to the door would pass by. My parents were so embarassed when I'd sit in front of a running dishwasher.
 
watching and wondering.....

I was watching the video again tonight. I was wondering, when they introduced the hydro-sweep wash arm, if they were able to shorten the cycle times. Since there was double the water spray and about the same rpm's ?
 
Thanks Robert!!

Thanks so much Robert for taking the time to make the Kitchen Aid video. I have a new computer and dls server and it is such a pleasure to download things now. I have watched the video several times..what a pleasure to see what is going on inside. Love the light addition as well. I could almost sit down and cry when I think what Kitchen Aid has turned into today. Terry
 

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