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Recirculating water systems are not needed on H-axis washing machine long as enough water is used during any particular cycle.

Such systems aren't new. IIRC Zanussi may have been first but also *think* one or more vintage American combo W&D units may have had recirculation systems as well.

Owing to matters of public health IIRC commercial, industrial, and laundromat washing machines aren't held to same standards of energy savings (which mostly translates into water usage) as domestic/residential. Since SQ front loaders sold for domestic use are basically same as OPL or laundromat machines under the bonnet (with some modifications), there you are.

Many decades ago now came across an article discussing water usage in domestic front loading washers. Basically what was said was that average water usage had been on decline for decades. That is machines had already been designed to use less water (at least for washes in "Normal" cycles) for some time. Any further reduction in water levels would require some sort of water recirculation system.





For what it's worth on both domestic and commercial side (Milnor has a washer with jet spray system) not everyone is thrilled. You can see from linked videos, especially second one of AEG why some do not like recirculation systems.

Main gripe is that until or unless sump is clear of muck and detergent laden water first parts of spray rinsing is filled with soapy water that remained in sump after previous bath and or extraction.
 
I use a Samsung top load at work for my work clothes.
It does a decent job and its been reliable considering how awful the industrial plant water is.
We have a couple Heubch branded machines in the men's dry for non electrical work cloths( greasy ).
Pretty reliable too.
The extra water in the top loading TC5 makes a difference....

So when I use the electrical machine I use the hose for filling the mop bucket and I slide open the soap dispenser and add more water until I see the level in the washer is high enough to help with the wash action.
I feel this makes a significant difference in the front loader.
 
I've got a 2009 Zanussi jet system, the recirculating pump doesn't produce such a strong jet as that second video, the water runs down the top of the door glass which is a sort of a dished wedge shape to channel the water to the centre of the washing.

Probably the best washer I've used. The recirculating pump gets all the washing wet quicker at the start of the wash and also ensures all the powder dissolves properly and quickly.

One of my reasons for choosing one with a circulating pump was our previous machine could take a significant proportion of the main wash stage to get the centre of the load wet when washing moderate to large loads, or bulky items, and would still be adding water as it got soaked up into the washing late into the wash, sometimes even failing to get the centre of the load wet until it was spun out and reached the first rinse! The washing just didn't move around and tumble properly in that machine until it was weighted down with water. And this was despite using a fair bit more water than my current machine.

Once I'd realised the problem, I got in the habit of pouring a jug of warm water in the centre of the load before I started the machine, which got it to tumble, fill and wash properly and well, bit of a pain though.
 
One thing love about our vintage Miele W1070 is it will stop and fill for wash or rinse at anytime water level drops below what is required. This can happen at start, during or even with just moments left until drain and first rinse begins.

In contrast the AEG W88840 has one fill period and once it's past that spot in programming, that's it. Machine will not take on any further water during wash nor rinse phase. Without enough water in tub recirculation will suffer as level is too low for pump do work properly.

One can add additional water via dispenser drawer, but that takes great care. Adding too much water will trigger washer's sensors into believing something is amiss. It will then stop, drain, then stop machine flashing a service code. Until said code is cleared washer will not continue or otherwise operate.
 
" Detergents can settle in the sump of an H-axis washer. "

We've done this already.

Far as Miele and other European h-axis washers go they've long had balls or various other systems that close off drain sump when washer begins filling. This is done to stop detergent from being flushed down from dispenser right into sump.
 
Jerome, Thank you! I 100% agree with that guy- minus the choice of a few adjectives.

 

 

I feel his rage, I understand it in full. I truly wish every single consumer was like him. The world would be a far better place. I also wish China or some other rogue players would begin producing expired patents or simple put a novel yet durable design into production altogether. If everyone was like me that company would take off and modern appliance makers (except Alliance) would lose all sales.

 

 

 
 
I don't think the reliability of (front load) washing machines sold here in the UK has changed much over the years, I don't think it has ever been more than about 10 years on average. If you want one that's likely to last a fair bit longer, you'd expect to pay a lot more money for a premium machine like a Meile.

I'd normally expect the rubber seal around the shaft to start leaking after about 8 - 10 years, letting water get to the bearings and wash out the grease. Which is usually terminal since most people will be reluctant to fork out for the high cost of repair on a machine that is already 10 years old, or want to put up with the inconvenience of waiting at home for a repairman to show. Before machines had effective out of balance detection, people would keep on using them till the rumbling and vibration got too much to bear, or something broke.

My mum used to have a repairman out quite often fixing her first couple of machines. Mostly trivial faults such as the fill valves not working, thermostat, and most commonly the water level pressure sensor, or its air chamber or pipe blocked. I'd usually only find out the machine had gone wrong after it had been fixed when I'd get home from school and see the old part that had been left behind on top of it. I used to take them apart as I was curious how the worked and would clean them up to get them working again and keep one as a spare. Never got to use any, not even after I started repairing more significant faults, because she'd never let me know it was broken.

Unlike the guy in the rant, while it used to be a problem, I've not had a solenoid valve on ours fail with a blocked pinhole or for any other reason for getting on for nearly 40 years now.
 
What Reply #30 said.

When you mass produce posts, people will soon loose interest.

Always better to have quality posts, not quantity.

But it seems, Jerome and Chetlaham don’t seem to really understand. They keep on going at it, which in turn, pushes people away and discourages intelligent conversations and interactions with one another.

Jerome and Chetlaham can argue all they want with me, but one thing is for sure, they don’t have the mechanical experience as I do as well as many others on the site. Doesn’t make sense to argue with people who have more experience working on the older machines (can have experience despite being older or younger), Jerome and Chetlaham probably haven’t even done any major repairs let alone dismantled something for a rebuild/refurbishment.
 
Sean, me and Jerome have cooled it. We haven't posted in 4 days. Yet here you are still bringing us up into the equation.

 

 

I posted washer dampening straps. You called them car suspension components in Reply 89:

 

 

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Anyone ever feel this way about a commercial? I came across this commercial by chance again. My emotions are now running high lol. I have to say there is LOTs to unpack here in 29 seconds. First off, if GE had taken every new idea out out of every old washing machine they wouldn't have trashed...
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Given your mechanical experience I'm sure you knew that as well. So I can only conclude my knowledge or experience isn't the actual point of doubt or contention.   

 

 
 
Should have cooled and toned it down a long, long time ago.

Speaking of scams, you have scammed yourself out of TIME. Just think what you could have done with that time instead of dwelling on something that’s neither here nor there.
 
Scammed? LOL!

 

I LOVE fantasizing about washing machines second to using them. When I'm not using a washing machine I'm either talking about them or dreaming about them. To me this not time wasted, rather time well spent in paradise. 

 

The irony in what you're saying is profound when compared to you going out of your way searching, restoring, spending money and using washers that have long been made either obsolete or never performed well in the first place (capacity, cleaning, lint removal). Maytag is literally neither here nor there. 

 

 

 
 
There’s lots of stuff I like to fantasize about as well, one of them bringing a car to life that’s been in the back of my mind for quite some time, but won’t happen if I keep on running my mouth and fantasizing about it.

Got to walk the walk, not talk the talk.
 

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