mrb627
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No Drain? No Spin?
What, no drain and spin video? What is the top spin speed of the XQB60-91BF?
MRB
What, no drain and spin video? What is the top spin speed of the XQB60-91BF?
MRB
the less common way of washing
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bpetersxx
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Looked thru the video and relized there is not drain and spin here
Need to do more clothes so will make more videos
Still waiting for parts to fix the front loaders
Cannot find info on spin speed but clothes come out dry like being placed in a stand alone spinner
Need to do more clothes so will make more videos
Still waiting for parts to fix the front loaders
Cannot find info on spin speed but clothes come out dry like being placed in a stand alone spinner
mrb627
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Research Indicates...
It appears that these machines, specifically the Haier brand, can only be purchased via an online resource. I can find no retailers that have them on the showroom floor to date. Further research leads me to believe that these machines, upon delivery, are almost always cosmetically damaged and online retailers resist returns and exchanges. Unfortunate for such an interesting line of machines.
MRB
It appears that these machines, specifically the Haier brand, can only be purchased via an online resource. I can find no retailers that have them on the showroom floor to date. Further research leads me to believe that these machines, upon delivery, are almost always cosmetically damaged and online retailers resist returns and exchanges. Unfortunate for such an interesting line of machines.
MRB
mrb627
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Drain and Spin, GREAT!
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. And thanks, DaDoes for posting them. I wish appliance manufacturers would have operational videos readily available on their websites. A Drain & Spin video would be great. Have you ever taken any photos of the inner workings of these machines? I think their fascinating. I am partial to the compact portables as I don't have much room in my current house to collect. Wish I had a basement.
MRB
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos. And thanks, DaDoes for posting them. I wish appliance manufacturers would have operational videos readily available on their websites. A Drain & Spin video would be great. Have you ever taken any photos of the inner workings of these machines? I think their fascinating. I am partial to the compact portables as I don't have much room in my current house to collect. Wish I had a basement.
MRB
bpetersxx
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pictures
according to the repair manual u can replace the bearing and seals from the back
according to the repair manual u can replace the bearing and seals from the back
Very interesting action with the spray up from the tub sides, thanks for posting these! Does the impeller in the bottom of the tub spin around as well? The action is different that I was expecting, just seeing inside the tub in the first pics. Do you think the spraying and twirling of the tub does anything for the cleaning process or is it more of a gimmick? Scores pretty high for drama no matter what the reason it's there so I'll take one!
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Very interesting! And thanks for posting in Quicktime format.
Haier got slagged in one of the forums on That Home Site, but part of it was someone complaining that their compact washer was too splashy (that's not a bug, it's a feature!
. Seems to me all the Asian compacts are somewhat lightly built, but as with anything else, take care of it and it will last.
The units with the center-post agitators: these probably have a bag-style lint filter in the top of the center-post; if you don't have the user's manuals, see if it unscrews about 1/2-turn and pulls out. The lint bag needs to be cleaned out after every load.
The reversing motor / intermittent action agitator is the same action as used on the Danby twin tub. By the way, this will appear to be faster & a larger rotation arc when viewed in a computer video than it is in real life. That's an artifact of the video process.
The sound is different; the Haier sounds like a "wohh!" whereas the Danby sounds like a "whirr!" punctuated by the tick-tock of the reversing relay in the timer.
On the ones with pulsators, the little appendage hanging down in the tub is also a lint filter. This also needs to be cleaned regularly after every load.
The pulsator's moving tub is an interesting feature. I'm going to guess that the motion of the tub is deliberately lagged a half cycle behind the motion of the pulsator, to set up a counter-current in the water. The plastic ribs in the tub aid this process significantly. Very clever, and also probably reduces tangling compared to pulsator machines that don't have it.
The spin cycle appears to drain all the way before it starts to spin. Is that correct? Or does it start to spin when there is still some water in the tub? My guess is that if it drains completely, that's a feature to enable using a larger size inner tub relative to the outer tub.
Most interesting to me, it seems that the spin cycle in your first set of videos sounds as if the motor is switched on intermittently as the spin proceeds. That is, the video shows continuous motion, and the audio appears to have a continuous background noise, but the spin motor apparently sounds as if it's on intermittently. That feature probably saves a decent amount of power in the spin cycle. Very clever.
Question: How do these machines do with blue jeans? My impression is that denim is sufficiently stiff that you have to reduce the load size somewhat on the compact machines in order to accommodate jeans.
Re. ordering these things online: Try to find a place that's an appliance dealer with an actual store location, that also does online business. And more importantly, find one that's as close to you geographically as possible, to minimize the time the unit spends bumping around in a trailer truck. I got my Danby TT from Absolute Appliances in southern California; one day on the truck, and only a slight dent in the bottom front left which smoothed out completely via a little hand pressure applied from the inside of the cabinet. I think they also carry Haier.
In most cities and college towns, someone could probably earn decent money by setting up a small shop specializing in compact appliances, where people could come in & play with them on site, and either pick them up in person or have them delivered to their house or apartment. Danby, Haier, and a couple other Asian brands, plus whatever American compacts are still being made. Washers, dryers, dishwashers, fridges, microwaves, various countertop items, etc.
And of course there would have to be high-quality videos of the units going through their cycles. Danby has a compact dishwasher with a window in front, so you could even show a video of that one.
The sales angle would be "fits into your lifestyle" and "energy & water efficiency just got affordable." (Anyone here with some startup capital, want to start one of these in Oakland or Berkeley California, post here and we'll get in touch.)
Haier got slagged in one of the forums on That Home Site, but part of it was someone complaining that their compact washer was too splashy (that's not a bug, it's a feature!
. Seems to me all the Asian compacts are somewhat lightly built, but as with anything else, take care of it and it will last. The units with the center-post agitators: these probably have a bag-style lint filter in the top of the center-post; if you don't have the user's manuals, see if it unscrews about 1/2-turn and pulls out. The lint bag needs to be cleaned out after every load.
The reversing motor / intermittent action agitator is the same action as used on the Danby twin tub. By the way, this will appear to be faster & a larger rotation arc when viewed in a computer video than it is in real life. That's an artifact of the video process.
The sound is different; the Haier sounds like a "wohh!" whereas the Danby sounds like a "whirr!" punctuated by the tick-tock of the reversing relay in the timer.
On the ones with pulsators, the little appendage hanging down in the tub is also a lint filter. This also needs to be cleaned regularly after every load.
The pulsator's moving tub is an interesting feature. I'm going to guess that the motion of the tub is deliberately lagged a half cycle behind the motion of the pulsator, to set up a counter-current in the water. The plastic ribs in the tub aid this process significantly. Very clever, and also probably reduces tangling compared to pulsator machines that don't have it.
The spin cycle appears to drain all the way before it starts to spin. Is that correct? Or does it start to spin when there is still some water in the tub? My guess is that if it drains completely, that's a feature to enable using a larger size inner tub relative to the outer tub.
Most interesting to me, it seems that the spin cycle in your first set of videos sounds as if the motor is switched on intermittently as the spin proceeds. That is, the video shows continuous motion, and the audio appears to have a continuous background noise, but the spin motor apparently sounds as if it's on intermittently. That feature probably saves a decent amount of power in the spin cycle. Very clever.
Question: How do these machines do with blue jeans? My impression is that denim is sufficiently stiff that you have to reduce the load size somewhat on the compact machines in order to accommodate jeans.
Re. ordering these things online: Try to find a place that's an appliance dealer with an actual store location, that also does online business. And more importantly, find one that's as close to you geographically as possible, to minimize the time the unit spends bumping around in a trailer truck. I got my Danby TT from Absolute Appliances in southern California; one day on the truck, and only a slight dent in the bottom front left which smoothed out completely via a little hand pressure applied from the inside of the cabinet. I think they also carry Haier.
In most cities and college towns, someone could probably earn decent money by setting up a small shop specializing in compact appliances, where people could come in & play with them on site, and either pick them up in person or have them delivered to their house or apartment. Danby, Haier, and a couple other Asian brands, plus whatever American compacts are still being made. Washers, dryers, dishwashers, fridges, microwaves, various countertop items, etc.
And of course there would have to be high-quality videos of the units going through their cycles. Danby has a compact dishwasher with a window in front, so you could even show a video of that one.
The sales angle would be "fits into your lifestyle" and "energy & water efficiency just got affordable." (Anyone here with some startup capital, want to start one of these in Oakland or Berkeley California, post here and we'll get in touch.)
mrb627
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Danby Bented
I agree. My Danby twin tub arrived dented as well. I don't thin the packing material is adequate for shipping. Plus, they way just little enough to allow them to be pushed over, bounced, and abused by shipping companies.
MRB
I agree. My Danby twin tub arrived dented as well. I don't thin the packing material is adequate for shipping. Plus, they way just little enough to allow them to be pushed over, bounced, and abused by shipping companies.
MRB
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In my case the dent was small and in an inconspicuous location, and it was easy to press out again so you can barely tell it ever happened.
Yes, all of these machines need to be packed more robustly. I wrote to Danby with a couple of suggestions and they seemed to go for one of 'em, so you could try writing to them about packaging.
In any case, it does a great job of cleaning, and it's efficient & fast, so I have no complaints.
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Back to the Haiers here... bpetersxx, since you've got a bunch of 'em, you could run comparative tests and post results here. Load capacity, cleaning ability, water and power efficiency (get a "Kill A Watt" plug-in power meter for about $30; set it to measure KWH), suitability for various types of loads e.g. including tough stuff like denims, blankets, etc., total time for cycle, etc.
Yes, all of these machines need to be packed more robustly. I wrote to Danby with a couple of suggestions and they seemed to go for one of 'em, so you could try writing to them about packaging.
In any case, it does a great job of cleaning, and it's efficient & fast, so I have no complaints.
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Back to the Haiers here... bpetersxx, since you've got a bunch of 'em, you could run comparative tests and post results here. Load capacity, cleaning ability, water and power efficiency (get a "Kill A Watt" plug-in power meter for about $30; set it to measure KWH), suitability for various types of loads e.g. including tough stuff like denims, blankets, etc., total time for cycle, etc.
mrb627
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Winning Bid
Well, I won an Auction for an xqj50-31 on Ebay. It is being shipped via Fedex Freight. Hope to have it soon. I know it is dented but I got it for 61.00. Not bad for a semi-new toy. Once I get it, I can document cycle statistics and post some pix.
MRB
Well, I won an Auction for an xqj50-31 on Ebay. It is being shipped via Fedex Freight. Hope to have it soon. I know it is dented but I got it for 61.00. Not bad for a semi-new toy. Once I get it, I can document cycle statistics and post some pix.
MRB
bpetersxx
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I am going to make more video and pictures to answer questions
mrb627
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Awesome
The videos are awesome. What did we do before the internet? How many deep rinse cycles does the XQB60 run through? Just one? Do you have any Service Manuals for your Haier machines?
MRB
The videos are awesome. What did we do before the internet? How many deep rinse cycles does the XQB60 run through? Just one? Do you have any Service Manuals for your Haier machines?
MRB
bpetersxx
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load size is critical in all of the Haier washers
If the clothes are heavy they can make the machine walk the floor when spinning
Blue Jeans can be washed if u wash 2 at a time in the bigger units
Watch it carefully they can walk like the stand alone spinners
discussed
If the clothes are heavy they can make the machine walk the floor when spinning
Blue Jeans can be washed if u wash 2 at a time in the bigger units
Watch it carefully they can walk like the stand alone spinners
discussed
They must be rediculously light weight
Our Simpson/Hoover/Westinghouse machines, are all that light weight and flimsy that you can wrap your arms around them and pick them up.
However they deal very well with overloads and have a good OOB sensor should they get a wobble up. They range in capacity from 4.5kg to 8 or 9kg which I think is 10 - 20 lbs.
Is there an OOB switch on the Haier stuff?
Our Simpson/Hoover/Westinghouse machines, are all that light weight and flimsy that you can wrap your arms around them and pick them up.
However they deal very well with overloads and have a good OOB sensor should they get a wobble up. They range in capacity from 4.5kg to 8 or 9kg which I think is 10 - 20 lbs.
Is there an OOB switch on the Haier stuff?
bpetersxx
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see if I can answer more q
neutral drains to empty and then spins
The 2 computer console models have a sensor somewhere that
senses that they are drained and then spins slow and fast until it balances
Back in the rear left corner is an OOB that starts a balance rinse fills rinses drains then spins again
Also at the end of the spins the pump comes on and drain the machine again
The machines rinse twice a deep rinse for all 4 models I have except the xqb60-91bf
The 91bf has 2 deep rinses for the normal cycle
The synthetic is funny it uses a old fashioned cool down like rinse
The wash water is drained a short spin to rid the clothes of wash water and the cool down phase.
Cannot remember the saquence but I think it coasts down to a stop
The water valves open for 1-2 seconds and the motor comes on for 1-2 seconds and this is repeated for 1 minute
The drain pump comes on the water is expelled and it spins this water out
It does this 1-2 more times then it deep rinses once then drains spins and turns off
I will make a video as u have to see it to believe it as I was testing it on that cycle and thought it was busted
neutral drains to empty and then spins
The 2 computer console models have a sensor somewhere that
senses that they are drained and then spins slow and fast until it balances
Back in the rear left corner is an OOB that starts a balance rinse fills rinses drains then spins again
Also at the end of the spins the pump comes on and drain the machine again
The machines rinse twice a deep rinse for all 4 models I have except the xqb60-91bf
The 91bf has 2 deep rinses for the normal cycle
The synthetic is funny it uses a old fashioned cool down like rinse
The wash water is drained a short spin to rid the clothes of wash water and the cool down phase.
Cannot remember the saquence but I think it coasts down to a stop
The water valves open for 1-2 seconds and the motor comes on for 1-2 seconds and this is repeated for 1 minute
The drain pump comes on the water is expelled and it spins this water out
It does this 1-2 more times then it deep rinses once then drains spins and turns off
I will make a video as u have to see it to believe it as I was testing it on that cycle and thought it was busted
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Re. jeans and other large items made of stiff fabrics:
The trick is to mix them with other articles of various sizes and slightly lighter weight fabrics.
For example, one or two pairs of jeans, two or three T-shirts, two or three long-sleeved shirts, two or three pairs of socks. Adjust to suit size of machine but keep proportions the same.
Things to not put together in one load: More than one pair of jeans and more than one towel. more than one pair of jeans with more than one pair of sweats. towels and sheets (OOB! ouch!).
Generally, effective load size is about 60% of manufacturer's rated capacity by weight, or up to 75% if the load is just white stuff (underpants & undershirts & long underwear). Or just drop stuff in without packing, until the load comes up to about half the depth of the waterline.
All of this careful measuring of loads may seem inconvenient to folks in the suburbs with room for a 3.5 cubic foot machine, but for most of us in the cities with limited space, these smaller units are a God-send. And even if you have a large unit, a small unit is useful a) as a backup in case the large one is in need of repairs and b) for smaller loads using less water.
The trick is to mix them with other articles of various sizes and slightly lighter weight fabrics.
For example, one or two pairs of jeans, two or three T-shirts, two or three long-sleeved shirts, two or three pairs of socks. Adjust to suit size of machine but keep proportions the same.
Things to not put together in one load: More than one pair of jeans and more than one towel. more than one pair of jeans with more than one pair of sweats. towels and sheets (OOB! ouch!).
Generally, effective load size is about 60% of manufacturer's rated capacity by weight, or up to 75% if the load is just white stuff (underpants & undershirts & long underwear). Or just drop stuff in without packing, until the load comes up to about half the depth of the waterline.
All of this careful measuring of loads may seem inconvenient to folks in the suburbs with room for a 3.5 cubic foot machine, but for most of us in the cities with limited space, these smaller units are a God-send. And even if you have a large unit, a small unit is useful a) as a backup in case the large one is in need of repairs and b) for smaller loads using less water.
mrb627
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Delivery Today
My delivery is scheduled for today via FEDEX. Wish me luck.
MRB
My delivery is scheduled for today via FEDEX. Wish me luck.
MRB
bpetersxx
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I also have another less common way of washing
Pictures and video of that will be forthcoming
Pictures and video of that will be forthcoming
mrb627
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Got it!
I received my machine yesterday afternoon. Oddly, the cabinet damage is almost exactly like the one pictured at the top of this thread. It works, however, and its the most quiet machine I've seen. Once I got the pesky lid switch bypassed, the show got under way. I'll post some statistics once I have gathered some more operational data.
MRB
I received my machine yesterday afternoon. Oddly, the cabinet damage is almost exactly like the one pictured at the top of this thread. It works, however, and its the most quiet machine I've seen. Once I got the pesky lid switch bypassed, the show got under way. I'll post some statistics once I have gathered some more operational data.
MRB
