Interesting. How do energy labels force people to "buy more?" No one I know seems to be doing that.
The new energy labels - Shocking in 2 ways
- Thread starter henene4
- Start date
Help Support :
Interesting. How do energy labels force people to "buy more?" No one I know seems to be doing that.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
Henrik
I do not understand your comments.
Did somebody say that or are these your considerations?
Anyway:
Yes they are mandated by law and like everything coming out of the EU is dumb and corrupt and blinking to China and manufacturers now involved with China.
As for the repairability requirements do you really think they are going to make any difference? Because I don't, incomplete requirements and silly.
About Brexit.
UK certainly did not leave because of Dyson LOL
But because they were sick and tired of Europe's dishonesty and wanting to command everything and only to advantage a couple ones, Germany primarily.
Say how big zucchini must be, how much milk you can export, how big clams must be, (Just think they wanted Italy to make cheese with dry milk LOL and expect not to get a "puncha on tha face") bans on ingredients, products etc... Nanny statism etc.
And a lot of other reasons including illegal immigration also resulting from how bad EU is managing migrant chrisis but vacuums or appliances.
In fact never heard say Boris Johnson say a word about vacuum cleaners.
Not a fan of Dyson myself, but I think that the lawsuit was legit (and apparently even a judge thought so as they won) testing vacuum cleaners when empty is not a real life condition, as soon those modern oil filter- like filters of chinese vacuums get some dust in them suction changes drastically hence vacums that sucked well when empty then "sucked" at sucking after awhile.
Dyson vacuums have a different system and wont cause these problems.
Always china made stuff but at least the design and particular technology is patented and British.
DeLonghi for istance just delegate technology and design to China. like them many others. "Just make something looking like this"...
Profit profit profit
But again not a fan of these.
Am currently using a 1970s 800w canister vacuum and with only 800watts outperrorms 6 times those chinese 1600w ones. Plus filter is washable in the washer.
Really you gotta see the suction it got only using 800watts!
Regarding how labels makes a person willing to buy a new appliance, it is simple.
If your machine needs say a sily thing such as a new thermostat and it is an A and you walk in a store and see a A++++++ on offer.
Someone might well be thinking not to fix the thermostat but buy that A+++++ machine as by having all those + will think it'll give a saving on electric and it'll be a huge incentive not to fix the old but buy the new one, even though that saving just won't be real as explained in my other reply.
The wise thing to do would have been spend your 50-80 euros get it fixed, what actually happens is that they think the new will be better and Will repay itself with money spared on bills so go out and buy the new one.
Is the saving going to happen? No.
[this post was last edited: 5/18/2021-19:13]
I do not understand your comments.
Did somebody say that or are these your considerations?
Anyway:
Yes they are mandated by law and like everything coming out of the EU is dumb and corrupt and blinking to China and manufacturers now involved with China.
As for the repairability requirements do you really think they are going to make any difference? Because I don't, incomplete requirements and silly.
About Brexit.
UK certainly did not leave because of Dyson LOL
But because they were sick and tired of Europe's dishonesty and wanting to command everything and only to advantage a couple ones, Germany primarily.
Say how big zucchini must be, how much milk you can export, how big clams must be, (Just think they wanted Italy to make cheese with dry milk LOL and expect not to get a "puncha on tha face") bans on ingredients, products etc... Nanny statism etc.
And a lot of other reasons including illegal immigration also resulting from how bad EU is managing migrant chrisis but vacuums or appliances.
In fact never heard say Boris Johnson say a word about vacuum cleaners.
Not a fan of Dyson myself, but I think that the lawsuit was legit (and apparently even a judge thought so as they won) testing vacuum cleaners when empty is not a real life condition, as soon those modern oil filter- like filters of chinese vacuums get some dust in them suction changes drastically hence vacums that sucked well when empty then "sucked" at sucking after awhile.
Dyson vacuums have a different system and wont cause these problems.
Always china made stuff but at least the design and particular technology is patented and British.
DeLonghi for istance just delegate technology and design to China. like them many others. "Just make something looking like this"...
Profit profit profit
But again not a fan of these.
Am currently using a 1970s 800w canister vacuum and with only 800watts outperrorms 6 times those chinese 1600w ones. Plus filter is washable in the washer.
Really you gotta see the suction it got only using 800watts!
Regarding how labels makes a person willing to buy a new appliance, it is simple.
If your machine needs say a sily thing such as a new thermostat and it is an A and you walk in a store and see a A++++++ on offer.
Someone might well be thinking not to fix the thermostat but buy that A+++++ machine as by having all those + will think it'll give a saving on electric and it'll be a huge incentive not to fix the old but buy the new one, even though that saving just won't be real as explained in my other reply.
The wise thing to do would have been spend your 50-80 euros get it fixed, what actually happens is that they think the new will be better and Will repay itself with money spared on bills so go out and buy the new one.
Is the saving going to happen? No.
[this post was last edited: 5/18/2021-19:13]
vacerator
Well-known member
Oh China??
They may be communist, but who lives in the nice large houses adjacent to the Shanghai aeroport? who golf's on the numerous beutiful golf courses they have now?
Whom drives all the Audi, BMW, Buicks, Mercedes, VW's, Cherry, Rowe', etc., etc. cars there now? Until we traded with China, they were all but starving. They are ahead of us in high speed rail, mag Lev., light rail, not to mention tech.and the future og artificial intelect for robotics.
You will never change it. The world as we now know it will end first.
You come here and buy certain GM (Cadillac) vehichles, they have China owned Fauyju glass in them made in Dayton Ohio.
They may be communist, but who lives in the nice large houses adjacent to the Shanghai aeroport? who golf's on the numerous beutiful golf courses they have now?
Whom drives all the Audi, BMW, Buicks, Mercedes, VW's, Cherry, Rowe', etc., etc. cars there now? Until we traded with China, they were all but starving. They are ahead of us in high speed rail, mag Lev., light rail, not to mention tech.and the future og artificial intelect for robotics.
You will never change it. The world as we now know it will end first.
You come here and buy certain GM (Cadillac) vehichles, they have China owned Fauyju glass in them made in Dayton Ohio.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
Inh
Who lives in those places?
Probably some fat western a or chinese exploiter that made money over there exploiting and polluting thanks to the inhumane and rule-less system there.
People to envy? No thanks.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Do you even travel </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">or read to see how the rest lives? LOL</span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Big homes? There is not even the material space to make chinese people live in big homes!!</span>
And by all means not the size americans are used to.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> What you see is the 0.1% do you think the rest have those privileges? </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Or are those for those already rich that got richer that now deal in China as It Is becoming a superpower? So american big greedy companies mostly? </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Audi, BMW, Buicks, Mercedes, VW's, do Cherry, Rowe', etc. Are European and american cars, is not it weird rich folks over there wear drive and eat nothing that is Chinese? Answer yourself. Do you think rich chinese folks wear Prada or the "chingchung" junk dress that looks made by a blind seal or at best got cancirogen dyes? Do you think their maids will vacuum with a junk china made Kenmore or a Haier or They got a made in Wuppertal vorwerk? </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">They are proud of the 80% junk stuff they produce knowing it is junk? Or are rather proud they are screwing america hard and lubeless? Is their government planning for a pacific cohabitation or you see troubles coming once they take over!?</span>
You know, am kinda worried, don't know what to expect from a country where it is normal to produce and sell keychains with live animals trapped inside. That is just a silly example and don't you dare say i'm racist! These are facts.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">As for technology, I'd like to remind who taught them and who could still be ahead of them, of course granted that some folks in a certain country are rather busy getting back on track and not too busy self loathing and self spanking or self burning looting their cities over fake racism issues and bullshit and impeaching annoying patriots only to elect a senile moron colluded with China as well. </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">People thinking like that are the ruin of USA. So sad. </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">But again do you really like drag politics out of the blue when it got nothing to do? One mentions chinese made junk vacuums and you come over with your deliriums over china golf courses for the rich bastards? Geez you mus be one of those eating thanks to China! LOL</span>
[this post was last edited: 5/20/2021-12:12]
Who lives in those places?
Probably some fat western a or chinese exploiter that made money over there exploiting and polluting thanks to the inhumane and rule-less system there.
People to envy? No thanks.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Do you even travel </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">or read to see how the rest lives? LOL</span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Big homes? There is not even the material space to make chinese people live in big homes!!</span>
And by all means not the size americans are used to.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> What you see is the 0.1% do you think the rest have those privileges? </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Or are those for those already rich that got richer that now deal in China as It Is becoming a superpower? So american big greedy companies mostly? </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Audi, BMW, Buicks, Mercedes, VW's, do Cherry, Rowe', etc. Are European and american cars, is not it weird rich folks over there wear drive and eat nothing that is Chinese? Answer yourself. Do you think rich chinese folks wear Prada or the "chingchung" junk dress that looks made by a blind seal or at best got cancirogen dyes? Do you think their maids will vacuum with a junk china made Kenmore or a Haier or They got a made in Wuppertal vorwerk? </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">They are proud of the 80% junk stuff they produce knowing it is junk? Or are rather proud they are screwing america hard and lubeless? Is their government planning for a pacific cohabitation or you see troubles coming once they take over!?</span>
You know, am kinda worried, don't know what to expect from a country where it is normal to produce and sell keychains with live animals trapped inside. That is just a silly example and don't you dare say i'm racist! These are facts.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">As for technology, I'd like to remind who taught them and who could still be ahead of them, of course granted that some folks in a certain country are rather busy getting back on track and not too busy self loathing and self spanking or self burning looting their cities over fake racism issues and bullshit and impeaching annoying patriots only to elect a senile moron colluded with China as well. </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">People thinking like that are the ruin of USA. So sad. </span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">But again do you really like drag politics out of the blue when it got nothing to do? One mentions chinese made junk vacuums and you come over with your deliriums over china golf courses for the rich bastards? Geez you mus be one of those eating thanks to China! LOL</span>
[this post was last edited: 5/20/2021-12:12]
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
An example of the destructive mindset
Again it is everything so damn hilarious!
People do (rightly) boycott a pasta brand because allegedly homophobic.
At the same time they are sold for life to a brand if they decide to turn the logo rainbow in June. Marketing. In 201* that Is marketing. If they did that back in '95-98' 2000ish that'd been taking a stance, you know when even the beloved Killary believed marriage was man-woman only.
They now see racism even in butter packages and pancake mixes, but they must be american or ain't worth boycottin'!!! They are perfectly fine to buy chinese because China is absolutely known to be "human rights paradise" right? Or buy whatever goods from a company that is ethical only on the cover.
Racism homophobia etc is non existent there!
An example to follow Indeed!
[this post was last edited: 5/20/2021-11:55]
Again it is everything so damn hilarious!
People do (rightly) boycott a pasta brand because allegedly homophobic.
At the same time they are sold for life to a brand if they decide to turn the logo rainbow in June. Marketing. In 201* that Is marketing. If they did that back in '95-98' 2000ish that'd been taking a stance, you know when even the beloved Killary believed marriage was man-woman only.
They now see racism even in butter packages and pancake mixes, but they must be american or ain't worth boycottin'!!! They are perfectly fine to buy chinese because China is absolutely known to be "human rights paradise" right? Or buy whatever goods from a company that is ethical only on the cover.
Racism homophobia etc is non existent there!
An example to follow Indeed!
[this post was last edited: 5/20/2021-11:55]
Look How Many People On This Website
Are all giddy about buying their next washer from China with the LG name on it.
If I live to be a 100 I will never buy Chinese appliances as long as we make great washers and dryers here in Union factories from WP and MT.
And we build hands down the best full sized washers and dryers in the world by the worlds largest builder of commercial laundry equipment Speed Queen, Union built in Wisconsin.
The good news on SQ FL washers is the price has come down, we are selling them for about $1600, Delivered and installed, still with a 5 year P&L warranty, not bad for a washer that will outlast 2 or 3 regular home machines and best of all are simple to fix for do-it-your-selfers.
John L.
Are all giddy about buying their next washer from China with the LG name on it.
If I live to be a 100 I will never buy Chinese appliances as long as we make great washers and dryers here in Union factories from WP and MT.
And we build hands down the best full sized washers and dryers in the world by the worlds largest builder of commercial laundry equipment Speed Queen, Union built in Wisconsin.
The good news on SQ FL washers is the price has come down, we are selling them for about $1600, Delivered and installed, still with a 5 year P&L warranty, not bad for a washer that will outlast 2 or 3 regular home machines and best of all are simple to fix for do-it-your-selfers.
John L.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
I have also seen European and italian washer people being giddy over getting a Candy as it became Haier owned.
Especially the ones for which Candy was the all time favourite , and they never believed some day Candy would not be Candy anymore.
But as they say that's crying over spilled milk...
Because when it was time to face reality and at least admit what was what<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> you had them on total denial .</span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Claiming cheap china made Candy boards and parts were as sturdy as a tank and many even claimed there was no difference with a Miele. A MIELE!!! LOL</span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Drooling over a punch in the guts such as a Candy Bianca when it cane out because it "talked". Washing? That's another matter.</span>
This did not prevent China to knock on Fumagalli's door one day and buy the brand as he was sick and tired to deal with a system that favourites china and constantly gets in the way if one (for some weird reason) still have their manufacturing in the same country the Company headquarter is.
Unfair competition.
Same could one day happen to SQ too. Especially as other companies are incited to put profit in front of enviroinment and quality and even get a pat on the back from certain politicians.
Candy of course wasn't a world leader like Alliance, which let's be honest, Is so like Miele by being into the big commercial laundry if it had to rely on domestic and coin laundry only it'd be dead already not because Is not good but cuz it is too good.
But was not even the last wheel of the wagon.
The company ate Hoover, Zerowatt, Otsein...It eventually got eaten by the chinese.
Most Italians and Europeans are not even aware of the change.
It just quickly passed on some journals, those kind of things always do pass unnoticed and never gets properly reported as people would (rightly) perceive something just Is not right. You know "how come"?
People Just go out and buy..and again look at the letter on a tag a capacity and how many leds it got, eventually the Turkish will soon become chinese. Am already seeing the competition Akai vs Beko lately.
[this post was last edited: 5/20/2021-14:10]
Especially the ones for which Candy was the all time favourite , and they never believed some day Candy would not be Candy anymore.
But as they say that's crying over spilled milk...
Because when it was time to face reality and at least admit what was what<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> you had them on total denial .</span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Claiming cheap china made Candy boards and parts were as sturdy as a tank and many even claimed there was no difference with a Miele. A MIELE!!! LOL</span>
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Drooling over a punch in the guts such as a Candy Bianca when it cane out because it "talked". Washing? That's another matter.</span>
This did not prevent China to knock on Fumagalli's door one day and buy the brand as he was sick and tired to deal with a system that favourites china and constantly gets in the way if one (for some weird reason) still have their manufacturing in the same country the Company headquarter is.
Unfair competition.
Same could one day happen to SQ too. Especially as other companies are incited to put profit in front of enviroinment and quality and even get a pat on the back from certain politicians.
Candy of course wasn't a world leader like Alliance, which let's be honest, Is so like Miele by being into the big commercial laundry if it had to rely on domestic and coin laundry only it'd be dead already not because Is not good but cuz it is too good.
But was not even the last wheel of the wagon.
The company ate Hoover, Zerowatt, Otsein...It eventually got eaten by the chinese.
Most Italians and Europeans are not even aware of the change.
It just quickly passed on some journals, those kind of things always do pass unnoticed and never gets properly reported as people would (rightly) perceive something just Is not right. You know "how come"?
People Just go out and buy..and again look at the letter on a tag a capacity and how many leds it got, eventually the Turkish will soon become chinese. Am already seeing the competition Akai vs Beko lately.
[this post was last edited: 5/20/2021-14:10]
Guys. HEY!!!!
Let's keep it civil over here!
Let's keep it civil over here!
yeah, sheesh. Isn't one of the rules to keep politics out of the non-paid forums?
the production move to china isn't surprising, and neither is the cost cutting. capitalism is extremely profit motivated, and if the CEO of whirlpool can make an extra 300,000 a year by cutting costs on washing machines or something like that, they'll probably do it. right to repair is extremely important because of this. it takes a stance against planned obsolecence and insane cost cutting by requiring appliances to be easier to repair.
the production move to china isn't surprising, and neither is the cost cutting. capitalism is extremely profit motivated, and if the CEO of whirlpool can make an extra 300,000 a year by cutting costs on washing machines or something like that, they'll probably do it. right to repair is extremely important because of this. it takes a stance against planned obsolecence and insane cost cutting by requiring appliances to be easier to repair.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
You are right Marco.
In fact I just recently made your exact same point for what concerns companies greediness, right to repair and all of that in another similar thread that went much or less like this one and was then moved to the dirty forum.
Again, I still need to understand what do Airports, golf and all of that had to do with what was discussed.
But I just can't shut up.
Someone must really like Made in China or feel threatened by my views over China and companies that make stuff in China if mentioning china made vacuums is enough to trigger a discussion like that.
[this post was last edited: 5/21/2021-05:00]
In fact I just recently made your exact same point for what concerns companies greediness, right to repair and all of that in another similar thread that went much or less like this one and was then moved to the dirty forum.
Again, I still need to understand what do Airports, golf and all of that had to do with what was discussed.
But I just can't shut up.
Someone must really like Made in China or feel threatened by my views over China and companies that make stuff in China if mentioning china made vacuums is enough to trigger a discussion like that.
[this post was last edited: 5/21/2021-05:00]
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
Regarding politics:
Said that, in order to keep the thread accessible to non donating members I am very OK to have my political posts removed - deleted as long as others also are.
As I would feel bad if It had to be shifted to dirty section like the other one for which i felt bad too.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> And that is because it would be unfair to whoever non donating may want to read or contribute to it and who created it in the first place.</span>
Which is the reason for the rules.
For sure is the fact that once certain arguments are brought out I Just won't shut up! Because I care.
If I mention goods made in China and read a rant over how China is allegedly this awesome place and how USA is this backwards hopeless scumhole I need to make a few points.
[this post was last edited: 5/21/2021-05:06]
Said that, in order to keep the thread accessible to non donating members I am very OK to have my political posts removed - deleted as long as others also are.
As I would feel bad if It had to be shifted to dirty section like the other one for which i felt bad too.
<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> And that is because it would be unfair to whoever non donating may want to read or contribute to it and who created it in the first place.</span>
Which is the reason for the rules.
For sure is the fact that once certain arguments are brought out I Just won't shut up! Because I care.
If I mention goods made in China and read a rant over how China is allegedly this awesome place and how USA is this backwards hopeless scumhole I need to make a few points.
[this post was last edited: 5/21/2021-05:06]
Regarding politics
The thing with discussions about politics in this forum and other ones that are not intended for it, is that it causes Robert work to move or remove such threads. Therefor it's nothing more than good manners not to post political views in threads where they don't belong post here and say that they can be moved or removed. Robert has limited time to manage this website, so be nice to him and open a thread in the Dirty Laundry Room when you feel the need to vent your political views.
The thing with discussions about politics in this forum and other ones that are not intended for it, is that it causes Robert work to move or remove such threads. Therefor it's nothing more than good manners not to post political views in threads where they don't belong post here and say that they can be moved or removed. Robert has limited time to manage this website, so be nice to him and open a thread in the Dirty Laundry Room when you feel the need to vent your political views.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
You are right.
But as I said another time I have no intentions to post anything on that forum section even of I could as am upgraded, I gave clear reasons for it. Reasons that someone even perceived being rude.
So it all boils down to whoever start a certain kind of off topic discussion and I do not feel I have.
Nor this time and the other time.
And again once certain arguments are brought out I won't just shut up.
Without mentioning that I like to use the website for fun and leisure not to get engaged in discussions that do nothing but piss me off.
But as I said another time I have no intentions to post anything on that forum section even of I could as am upgraded, I gave clear reasons for it. Reasons that someone even perceived being rude.
So it all boils down to whoever start a certain kind of off topic discussion and I do not feel I have.
Nor this time and the other time.
And again once certain arguments are brought out I won't just shut up.
Without mentioning that I like to use the website for fun and leisure not to get engaged in discussions that do nothing but piss me off.
We are all responsible for keeping the public accessible threads free from political discussions. That includes you too. You sound like a child arguing: "But he started it". There is no excuse from continuing something that shouldn't have been there in the first place. So even if someone else started a political discussion, there is no excuse for responding to it. The only thing to do is click on the report button and contact Robert.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
One could argue that it could be like a kindergarten kid calling for the teacher.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
But you are right.
I am not calling myself out.
For what is worth I give my apologies!
I am not calling myself out.
For what is worth I give my apologies!
No need to apologise to me, if you want to apologise, do it towards Robert.
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
In fact am not doing it only to you, but everyone. Robert included
I think it was pretty clear
I think it was pretty clear
No, that wasn't clear. BTW, Robert doesn't read most threads, so it's not very likely he will see your apology.
Enjoy your day.
Enjoy your day.
