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I guess I spoke too soon. Two small loads in a row, one of socks and lightweight colored t-shirts and another consisting of 12 small terrycloth hand type towels used for cleaning emerged wet enough where I could wring some water from each item. Again, the machine sounds like it is not reaching the full spin speed. So here we go again...
 
I would be there when the repairman comes again...

and insisit that the motor / and idler pulley be replaced, and ask what woudl cause this to happen, but first call Allliance, and let them know you are not happy with your repair.
Mike
 
Motor

Does the motor run throughout the final spin cycle? Does agitation appear slow? If the motor is running, what makes you think it is bad?

Malcolm
 
With mine the motor is running fine but I dont think that the idler is clamping too tight on the belt so it isnt spinning as fast as it usually does. Agitation mode there are no issues, but spin is a different story. Some loads extract fine others not so much. Towels it seems to have issues and then jeans. With mine it just started doing that so I am wondering what the hell. All I could think of is that the basement in my situation might be the issue. It could be too cool.
 
With most machines I have that use a spring tensioner, I usually either add another spring, or pull and secure the original to add a little more tension for a quicker spin/agitation
 
SQ TL WASHER

If the idler pulley had a problem the belt should have been changed as the extra slipping is hard on the belt. The weakest part of the SQ TL washers is the belt. Your problem is not likely the motor. We are an authorized SQ service dealer but keep in mind it is very hard to repair machines over the internet.
 
Here's one for you... As an authorized Speed Queen service dealer, have you ever heard of a timer problem because some of the timers from earlier models were made in Mexico? I stopped at the place that serviced my machine and talked with the owner (who was not the guy who came out to the house). He mentioned that perhaps the belt may need replacement, but also said he had some issues with timers that he replaced and sent back to Alliance. He suggests that the problem may also be the timer since it controls the agitation/spin speed. Possible?

Or am I going down a dead end with these guys and should I just find another servicer?
 
I used to own a Kenmore TL, I washed a full load of towels and forgot to raise the water level. The result was that the coupler broke....I called a local repairman, he replaced the coupler, the machine worked and stopped again on the same day. I called again, told the repairman the problem, and his response was...it must be something else, he came back and sure enough it WAS the coupler he replaced. My advice, get a different repairman, like angus said why didn't he replace the belt? I didn't even think about that. Most likely that is the problem. But again, call Alliance, explain your problem, ask their advice..have you ever had this happen before etc....STAY WITH THE REPAIRMAN, NO CONFERENCE CALLS! Your first visit by the repairman did not sound right to me. A&E is also an authorized serivce provider for SQ as well. Let us know what happens, good luck and be patient.
Mike
 
Worn Belts

I have always believed that belts on any machine should be changed on a regular basis. As a belt wears, it will ride deeper in the pulley channel resulting in a loss of performance. I used to change the belt on my grandma's kenmore annually. Grandma liked to load up the kenmore so things could hardly move. But that is another story. Since the belts on a Speed Queen do the clutching of the spin as water is pumped out, they should be changed on a regular cycle.

Malcolm
 
Does anyone know how to change one on a modern SQ? Please post if so...I'm a maintenance nut on just about anything.
 
OK - round two is over and I am officially at my wit's end. This is a bit long so if you are short on patience, skip this post. The same guy came out today. He called first to ask if i could have clothes in the machine so he could see what was happening with a load of clothes. So I put in a load of towels. Based on my discussion with the company owner last week, I thought this guy was coming with a new belt and idler pulley and was to check the timer. He did none of this. He took the front off and played with the idler pulley for a while. Then he supposedly checked the motor draw and concluded it wasn't the motor. During this time, the machine had finished its cycle which included an extra rinse. He refilled the machine at least twice and let it run through again. During the spin cycles, the machine again sounded like it wasn't getting up to speed until almost the very end of the spin cycle if it did it at all. His conclusion was that there is nothing wrong with the machine and that the reason the machine never reaches the full spin speed is that I am using too much detergent.

How did he arrive at this conclusion? The washer empties into a relatively deep slop sink and there is always a little water left in the bottom of the sink after the machine spins. So for example, when the rinse water comes flying out of the machine and with the force it does so, there is some foam on top of the water in the sink. He determined that means I am overdosing. Now it should be noted there are no visible suds in the washer or on the towels at this point. He went on to grill me about how much detergent (Tide with Bleach powder) I use, so i showed him the scoop and the fill line I use - less than a full scoop (not quite to line 2) with a full towel load. He actually went as far as to pick up the Tide box and read me the directions since I apparently don't know what I am doing. Of course, when he picked up the box, he tilted it back to better see the instructions and since it was almost full, dumped about 2 cups of detergent on my floor. No apologies, not even an acknowledgement that he did this, just kept insisting there was nothing wrong and it was all the detergent and I should probably use something else.

So to cut to the dismal end, the machine finishes spinning and I have had enough of his detergent lecture. I also got a look at the service report he prepared that literally said that the malfunction was caused by the fact that customer needed to be instructed to use less powdered soap and that after the three additional rinses, the machine is extracting normally. To prove his point he pulled a towel out of the machine and shows me that he can't wring a drop out of it. I couldn't take it anymore and told him that I disagreed with his finding, that I believed there really was something wrong with the machine that had nothing to do with detergent and that anyone could tell the machine was still not spinning fast and smooth . I took the same towel and proceeded to wring a good 1/4 cup of water from it. Then I went to a face cloth and did the same thing. Well, that sealed my fate - he grabbed his tools, and literally barked at me "Well, I guess I will just have to talk to Ted about this, sir" and took off slamming the front door in the process.

You know, I realize we all have our neuroses. etc... but I am trying to be reasonable. I am completely certain something is wrong and it mystifies me that no one is interested in diagnosing. I have lived with this machine for 5 years and know its sounds and rhythms. I know I had that issue when the machine stopped completely and wouldn't agitate, drain or spin. I realize I am not an engineer or technician but when does an appliance have to explode for someone to take an interest in it?

Who knows, maybe I really am imagining this whole thing - but that load of towels that was supposedly perfectly extracted took almost two hours to dry. I didn't imagine that!! I just don't know...
 
I hate to say I told you so.....................

GET ANOTHER SERVICER OUT THERE IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY, and call Alliance, sorry to shout, but I am Italian, I can't help it.
Try A&E Service, but first call Alliance, and talk to someone.
Mike
 
OK, no need to shout. Once I cooled off I figured that was the only way I was going to get this thing fixed. Of course, being Italian, I am sure you understand that I needed to vent first and get over the blind rage that comes when you know that the person lecturing you is dead wrong!!! To me that is unconscionable. And yes, I will contact Alliance. If nothing else they need to know how one of their authorized and recommended servicers treats their customers.

Besides, contrary to what my friend Mikey the genius engineer thinks, I am not looking for a replacement machine. I actually like this one, since the newer models have eliminated the warm rinse option, no longer have a true hot wash and have dropped the maximum water level.
 
Malcom - sorry for the confusion, it was my understanding that the new commercial units for coin laundries actually mix hot water with some warm. Now I heard that third hand so I should have footnoted that comment.

Regarding the water level, it may be child's play, but the point is that the newer machines don't offer anything I want more than what I have now. I just want mine to be fixed properly. But the lack of a warm rinse option would be problematic for me.
 
Yeah, I think as an industry, traditional top loaders are at the end of the road...I would be surprised to see anything new coming out--just the ability to get one will soon be a luxury. All R&D I'm sure is going to front load and efficient top loaders.

Previously the only time I would use warm rinse was so the tub would fill faster - but someone posted on the board that it would help with wrinkles - haven't verified that yet with my '03 WP.
 
SQ WASHER SPIN SPEED

You should not be able to easily or even at all wring water out of towels spun at hi speed from your washer. I would insist the tech bring a tachometer out and verify that the washer is spinning at full speed with a load of heavy towels in it.
 
Spin Speed

So, the question I have is this. How long does it take the machine to pump out a tub full of water? After the water is pumped clear of the machine, how long does it take for your machine to reach top speed.

Perhaps someone with a functioning machine can time theors and relate the statistics.

I suspect that any laziness of the machine to achieve top speed spin in a timely fashion is due to a worn drive belt or something binding the tub preventing spinning freedom.

Of course, the first place to start is probably gonna be changing out the belt.

Malcolm
 

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