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Ok, I know that for vintage washing machines, powder is supposed to be better as it is easier on rubber parts. How about modern machines? Especially front load washers? I heard that powders can be bad for the aluminum spider... Is this true? I know that powders tend to be better in terms of avoiding scum build up and mildew problems. But if one washes in only warm and hot water, is liquid better than powder for the machine?
 
And I wash several loads a week with liquid chlorine bleach in my 8-year old Frigidaire front-loader. No spider failure. And I've oversudsed it many, many times.

That being said, I've been using mostly liquid detergents the past 3-4 years. Before that, always powders, mostly because they ranked higher for cleaning ability in CR's tests. Not necessarily true, anymore.
 
Never heard of a problem with liquids and rubber seals etc.

I use powders for most washing. I use liquids when softness is an issue (as with bath towels) or the material could be damaged by the higher alkalinity of a powders, such as foam backed curtains or items with wool, silk, or leather.

Liquids are, as a rule, gentler but as a rule they don't clean heavy soiling as well as powders can.

I also boost most powders with STPP. An exception is Persil, which seems to do fine at 160F without STPP.
 
Jamie,

in Europe frontloaders are common since early sixties. First liquid detergents appeared in mid eighties. So for almost 3 decades only powders were available. Crappy machines with crappy spiders wear suddenly, no matter of powder or liquid.
That said I have in the garage a 25 y.o."el cheapo" Candy frontloader still working despite of my aunt LCB abuse ...

I'd rather worry about those who use dishwasher powder to wash whites .... it's actually harsh on fabrics !
 
I don't think

powders are problematic simply because they are powders, nor liquid detergents necessarily safer for being already in solution.

The real problems revolve around the contents of each formulation.

Until 2001, Electrolux used aluminum spiders which were subject to rapid decay when exposed to frequent use of LCB. They've stated this, it is beyond dispute. Since so many FLs in the US are from that manufacturer - and they otherwise have very long lives - I think this problem has gotten a lot of attention. I know many UK members here bleach with LCB but most Europeans either never use it or only very seldom, which is why Electrolux had no problem selling millions of these FLs over decades with such spiders.

Any product which is high sudsing will, eventually, cause problems in a FL because the rear bearing/s will fail. This, too, is independent of whether one uses powder or bleach.

A detergent which dissolves completely, rinses out completely, is low sudsing and has agents to protect against damage to the washer's components (meta-silicates, for instance) can't possibly be dangerous to the machine, regardless of whether liquid or powder.

That said, until liquid detergents are offered with effective low-temperature oxygen bleach, I'll stick with powders.
 
favorit,

That's great - I have a student from Palermo. She is still home on Easterbreak. If I hurry, maybe she can pick me up some.

Thanks!
 
I have heard both sides of the debate

"Liquids leave a residue, and damage machine parts"
"Powders cake up and the silica damages machine parts."

I asked the Maytag dealer, he said the secret is use water warm enough to disolve the detergent, 'jes even liquid needs warm enough water to keep it from congealing; and you should't have a problem with either.

My preference is powder, but I have liquids around. Usually for pre-spotting and of course Woolite. I recently bought a bottle of All Free just to try it, and it does a pretty good job on the kid's clothes.
 
We use powdered detergent mostly.
I really think the liquids leave a residue behind even though we use warm and hot washes. It wasn't too long after we tried liquids our washer started having an odor about it. AFter cleaning it we have been using powders and have had no more odor problems at all.
 
Sodium silicate is added to powders to protect machine parts. So I tend to doubt that silica damages machine parts.

The sodium silicate helps to prevent corrosion of metals in heated aqueous solution. It is also added to applications like hot water heating systems, for the same reason. Also to older types of car antifreeze, same reason. Not sure, however, why newer formulations are advertised as "silicate free", but many newer cars don't allow for the use of silicated antifreeze in their systems.

I'd look it all up but it's been a long long day...
 
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