There are many many many many Matics but only one Finish QuantuMatic

[aquarius1984]

As Launderess pointed out in the other thread Finish have found another way to make us part with out money,

Now I was sceptical but as with all things I thought id give it a try,

I would advise you all to be sceptical too. Not the best product I have to say.

The packaging is misleading to start with. I bought mine for £6 which I didnt think was too bad but it is an irtoductory price.
The box does say that you get a 12wash Quantumatic dispenser and a 12wash Refill.
What they dont really make clear is the dispenser just really does dispense 12 washes and the 'Refill' in the pack is all you are getting in terms of the detergent.

I thought I was getting 24 washes for my money and I thought that was pricey enough let alone just 12!

Easy enough to set up and works actually quite well with a magnet inside the dispenser to rotate the cartridge when the unit is heated by the hot water in the dishwasher. As the dispenser cools down at the end of the cycle something else contracts and reveals part of the next measure.

The detergent does actually do a sterling job and has coped with all the tea/coffee stains I have thrown at it but I have yet to see if it likes starch.

My gripe is.... the dispenser is far from water tight and certainly not steam tight.
This has lead to the remaining detergent in the cartridge to become damp and to some degree party washed away after only 1 wash. Not much but enough to possibly worry about if you were to ignore it. the 10th - 12th wash could potentially have no detergent. Something il keep an eye on.

This coming from a manufacturer who released those Max in one tablets which stressed the importance of keeping the detergent well wrapped and FRESH while it was stored as stale detergent was really soooo bad!

Also I dont think PreWash cycles included in the actual wash helps either as half of it would be washed away for certain if the prewash had some degree of heat like my Indesit and Hotpoints do.

The pack does say not to use it in seperate Prewash or quickwash cycles eithr.

This is one product I really dont understand why its needed.
Takes up far too much space in the top rack and what with the cost and potential for inconsistant dosing and wash results probably have sealed its fate into failure and being discontinued.

 

[aquarius1984]

in the rack, it takes up as much room as a Pint glass.

 

[aquarius1984]

reseasonable mid week load

 

[aquarius1984]

weird not having to add anything else.

 

[aquarius1984]

and you cant have a choice in a cycle. Just as well the 1hr 25 minute 65 degree cycle with no prewash is OK for midweek loads but im certainly gonna be sceptical come the weekend roast when a heated prewash and intensive will be needed.

The detergent in the refills are certainly not as compacted or condensed soild as the tabs are and I do think a hot prewash will flush most of it out leaving none for the main wash.

 

[favorit]

last rinse with detergent too ?!?

Hi Rob,

this damned thing is activated by heat in the main wash

But also the last rinse is hot (50-55°C in quick and delicate >> 65-70°C normal cycles)

Is there any device to avoid it releases some detergent during the last rinse ? Hope so !

If there were such a device, anyway I'd never use it in those machines that have a 55°C prewash (Zanussi - intensive cycle)

Otherwise there would be :

- 55°C prewash with detergent
- 70°C main wash WITHOUT detergent
- 2 cold rinses
- 65°C last rinse WITH detergent

 

[petek]

I haven't seen it for sale here but from the looks of it I'll pass. A lot of wastage and packaging for 12 washes.

 

[seamusuk]

All I can say is.....

Thats gotta be the stupidest idea ever- obviously putting a tablet in the dispenser is FAR too much effort according to Finish.......

I thought Quantum tablets were a con but that REALLY takes the piss!!!!!

Seamus

P.S to Rob that wasnt intended as a dig lol- just my opinion of the idea .

 

[aquarius1984]

Seamus,

Not taken as that, I WONT be buying this again for sure!

Even the refills in Sainsburys were something like £7 odd for 24 washes!

This product is a con!

Favorit im unsure how the heat affects the movemnt of the dispenser but seeing as there is a magnet and no batteries it has to be something to do with heat changes and contraction.
I odnt know if 2 cold rinses would be enough to move the dispenser on but im sure its possible.

 

[earthling177]

I've bought it a couple of days ago -- mostly I'm the kind of person that has a hard time passing up new stuff and this one seems like won't last long, so I figured I should buy now, test it and be done with it. It's certainly expensive here, at US $10 for the dispenser with a 12 wash cartridge. You can also buy refills at about US $10 for 2 cartridges (24 washes), which is still very expensive compared to other stuff.

I wonder what they think is so hard loading detergent when one does one's dishes. I also wondered what the heck they'd do to keep each dose dry and away from heat, like they always insist in other offers even from the same manufacturer.

The dispenser takes a cartridge that looks like a revolver. Each dose is like a tablet surrounded by the plastic in the cartridge except for a hole on the top and another in the bottom. There's a wax motor inside the dispenser that warms up with the cycle and it advances the cartridge to the next dose when it cools down.

Observations so far, on only 2 cycles. It's worked pretty well compared to other detergents I've used. Possibly not the best, but better than average even on dishes that had dried-on food that had been sitting in the dish bin for a few days. Then again, my dishwasher is an Euro-type which tends to do a short (10 min or so) pre-rinse then goes straight to the long and hot main wash. I opened the door and there was plenty of detergent for both the pre-rinse and the main wash, possibly a bit too sudsy compared to other detergents, but worked and rinsed out just fine.

But it does take an awful lot of room. And you can't run it on short cycles or rinse-and-hold. And you have to wait until it cools completely (which takes something like 2-3 hours, they say 4 hours) until it resets to the next dose, so not for those days like Thanksgiving when you need to do several cycles in a row.

I opened the dispenser after it was completely cool to see how things were inside. The next doses seem to be OK so far. It makes me wonder if they *can* make detergent that can take heat and moisture like this, why can't they just pack it in a box and sell it? I'd prefer to have it than the kind that goes bad when stored under the sink.

Honestly, I don't think this is here to stay. Even if the price was lower, it still takes too much room in the dishwasher, and it's too impractical for busy people. It seems to be more work than just putting a tab, powder or gel for each cycle. If you want to run multiple cycles, or if you're the kind that runs a rinse-and-hold cycle until the machine is full, it's more work to remove the dispenser and replace it actually, than dosing detergent every single cycle.

I'm also wondering what happens with the more American-style dishwashers, that run 2 or 3 pre-rinses before the main wash, I wonder if there'll be any detergent left for the main wash.

Anyway, they certainly had to develop a bunch of stuff for the detergent to work in this situation, so I think it'll be interesting to see if they'll release powders or tabs based on this formula in the future. But if you want to play with this device, I think this is your chance, I don't see it being long for this world. ;-)

 

[spoodles]

I saw them yesterday and they just looked huge! I'll be sticking to tablets I think.

 

[mattywashboy]

it will be intresting to see if this appears in Australia. Shall have to keep my eye on the Up and Coming folder at work.

Seems like a complete disaster tho something gullible housewives will buy...

Matt

 

[aamassther]

The shop I saw them in didn't have the dispenser in stock, just the refills. $14 for three. I noticed that our version was phosphate free. Wonder if the UK version is? That would explain why Reckitt isn't worried about shelf life.

 

[ronhic]

I havn't...

...bought finish for at least 10 years....and I most certainly won't be buying that...

 

[rolls_rapide]

Didn't one of our Italian members post a thread about it a month or two ago?

I replied then, that it looked as though it would have issues, and it seems to have come true. After all, detergent isn't supposed to be kept in a hot steamy environment. And a dishwasher is the best judge of what process to conduct next - not the detergent itself!

I wouldn't trust it in my Bosch Automatic dishwasher. I tend to use the intensive programme, so the device would probably misfire (and I don't want wash detergent lingering in the final rinse).

 

[spoodles]

I read the FAQ section on finish.co.uk and it all reads a bit like they have released a product they haven't quite perfected, just to be first to market with it.

They haven't been able to include any glass protection ingredients yet, which is really poor for such a premium product.

It hasn't yet been recommended by any dishwasher manufacturers, so the on-pack claims about it being the No.1 recommended product aren't exactly true.

There's even a "tell us how to improve Quantumatic" page and they also ask you to submit any ideas you may have for a better design. LOL!

 

[mynameismiele]

This Product Is A:

FAIL.
No really, Rinsing with detergent, moar failure, ur dishes wont get clean that way.

 

[hotpoint95622]

hotpoint 95622

Magnet, I wonder, do the instructions say to place it in the top basket near the detergent dispenser, the dispenser has a electromagnet in it, so dose that attract the one in the finish Quantumatic, hum, only the rinse aide also work the same way ! ! but some are revers the polarity so would it push the magnet away ? ? With a locking device stopping it from going back. ? ? ? ?