kenmoreguy89
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I wonder why they didn't keep it on top in the modern machines like Fagor (spanish brand) used to do...
This was a smart Idea for FL's filters!!!
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strongenough78
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What is that? I don't speak spanish.
kenmoreguy89
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The first commercial advertise about a Fagor machine having the particularity of having the filter on the top panel instead of the bottom like almost all of the machines had and still have nowadays...
In FL's it's very common that small objects like buttons, zips, coins and big lint strips pass through the boot of the drum and clog or get stuck in the pump, potentially burning pump motor if they do get stuck in it or anyway blocking drain hose if they pass over the pump...
This means that if you get a clogged filter in the middle of the wash you're not able to drain water, and nor manually by placing drain hose lower that tub level thank to gravity if it is completely clogged, even in the case you manage to drain most part of the water manually it requires alot more of messy job then...
Unloading wet clothes spilling water all over, and, anyway spilling all the water that is left in the pump and tub while opening filter to inspect it......
But the Fagor was different and had a smart idea of putting the filter on the top...
Infact, with this, theorically you could just open and clean it without all the messy job and resume cycle...
The gag of the first one:
A lady is attempting to clean the filter of her machine complaining and muttering about the messy job of cleaning filter, a friend meanwhile just came to visit the Lady .
The friend tells her she does not have these kind of problems since she has a Fagor having filter on the top....
The Lady tells her husband then: "I would not have had to pass through all this if you bought me a Fagor"...
The second commercial is about a Fagor Solaris, a combo machine, it does not advertise by mentioning the fact it does have the filter on the top, just that is a combo machine, only reason I showed it is because it shows well how the pump on the top is made....
I think the fact of filter on the top was already a well known particularity of Fagors so no reason to repeat it.....
In FL's it's very common that small objects like buttons, zips, coins and big lint strips pass through the boot of the drum and clog or get stuck in the pump, potentially burning pump motor if they do get stuck in it or anyway blocking drain hose if they pass over the pump...
This means that if you get a clogged filter in the middle of the wash you're not able to drain water, and nor manually by placing drain hose lower that tub level thank to gravity if it is completely clogged, even in the case you manage to drain most part of the water manually it requires alot more of messy job then...
Unloading wet clothes spilling water all over, and, anyway spilling all the water that is left in the pump and tub while opening filter to inspect it......
But the Fagor was different and had a smart idea of putting the filter on the top...
Infact, with this, theorically you could just open and clean it without all the messy job and resume cycle...
The gag of the first one:
A lady is attempting to clean the filter of her machine complaining and muttering about the messy job of cleaning filter, a friend meanwhile just came to visit the Lady .
The friend tells her she does not have these kind of problems since she has a Fagor having filter on the top....
The Lady tells her husband then: "I would not have had to pass through all this if you bought me a Fagor"...
The second commercial is about a Fagor Solaris, a combo machine, it does not advertise by mentioning the fact it does have the filter on the top, just that is a combo machine, only reason I showed it is because it shows well how the pump on the top is made....
I think the fact of filter on the top was already a well known particularity of Fagors so no reason to repeat it.....
strongenough78
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Oh ok! That is a cool idea! Others should have followed and kept that idea.
That is a cool idea Freddy!
A FilterFlo for front Loaders!! FFFF!!
A FilterFlo for front Loaders!! FFFF!!
So this was a lint filter? Since water would have to be pumped up to the filter, how did it protect the pump? Unless this has the elusive anti-gravity washing system, then it would work. Hee hee.
Greg, Thank you. My thoughts exactly.
kenmoreguy89
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Gan: No...this is not a lint filter for recirculating water like filter flos.....
Greg and Tom...... of course there is an explanation to this.
Of course with a FL pump prior to a filter, the filter would be of very little use.... and silly...since the filters as you know are meant to protect pump as I also said...
And the explanation could be a pump able to create a suction, an air vacuum able to suck water vertically and have it passing through the filter.....
So not one of those simple pumps....
I thought naturally of it before....and did my researches about..
Reading a blog in spanish about an old style pump for Fagor machine I could read of a guy attempting to fix his "antigua"-"vintage" F-816 Fagor machine that was leaking from the pump.... he probably inverted the hoses, poles or did something wrong and or messed with it.... but what he got was a pump that instead pumping water out was sucking air into the tub....so of course it was a kind of pump able to create a vacuum....
He called it <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">asynchronous</span> <span class="hps">pump that might have a meaning for mechanically cultured people...for me it's greek.... all I understand is that the pumps in Fagor machines likely worked this way so here explained the top pump and gravity thing...
Here a link of the Blog..... google translator should work fairly well, otherwise I can give a translation if you trust in my spanish comprehension skills....
http://linea-blanca.yoreparo.com/lavadoras_secadoras/648476_0.html</span></span>
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Greg and Tom...... of course there is an explanation to this.
Of course with a FL pump prior to a filter, the filter would be of very little use.... and silly...since the filters as you know are meant to protect pump as I also said...
And the explanation could be a pump able to create a suction, an air vacuum able to suck water vertically and have it passing through the filter.....
So not one of those simple pumps....
I thought naturally of it before....and did my researches about..
Reading a blog in spanish about an old style pump for Fagor machine I could read of a guy attempting to fix his "antigua"-"vintage" F-816 Fagor machine that was leaking from the pump.... he probably inverted the hoses, poles or did something wrong and or messed with it.... but what he got was a pump that instead pumping water out was sucking air into the tub....so of course it was a kind of pump able to create a vacuum....
He called it <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">asynchronous</span> <span class="hps">pump that might have a meaning for mechanically cultured people...for me it's greek.... all I understand is that the pumps in Fagor machines likely worked this way so here explained the top pump and gravity thing...
Here a link of the Blog..... google translator should work fairly well, otherwise I can give a translation if you trust in my spanish comprehension skills....
http://linea-blanca.yoreparo.com/lavadoras_secadoras/648476_0.html</span></span>
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kenmoreguy89
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Anyway I just asked a question to a spanish guy on youtube about how actually the thing is....to be 100% of my theory...
The pump on the link maybe is of an older Fagor prior of ones with filter placed on the top even if the type of pump was the same used in older "top filter" machines, the pic actually shows a pump body which looks too short to accomodate one of those long effective filters at least looks so, I may be wrong...the guy also sates that was common that objects got into...
Those infact looked very good filters, that is kinda weird he states he usually got stuck objects but not impossible....
I found so many objects in my small repairs even if they looked good filters like ones of older AEG,...
The filters they makes now are worth nothing as they are simple one chamber filters with a lot of space.... a 20 cent coin or hairpin would pass so easily....
I used to do small repairs as school boy to get some tips...small things like pumps, boots things...
Anyway looking forward to the explanation of that guy to explain how things are for sure...
The pump on the link maybe is of an older Fagor prior of ones with filter placed on the top even if the type of pump was the same used in older "top filter" machines, the pic actually shows a pump body which looks too short to accomodate one of those long effective filters at least looks so, I may be wrong...the guy also sates that was common that objects got into...
Those infact looked very good filters, that is kinda weird he states he usually got stuck objects but not impossible....
I found so many objects in my small repairs even if they looked good filters like ones of older AEG,...
The filters they makes now are worth nothing as they are simple one chamber filters with a lot of space.... a 20 cent coin or hairpin would pass so easily....
I used to do small repairs as school boy to get some tips...small things like pumps, boots things...
Anyway looking forward to the explanation of that guy to explain how things are for sure...
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