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My mother just had her 28-year-old Maytag washer serviced (a small part needed replacing), and the guy who serviced it (who was 14 years old when his dad sold it to my mom and installed it for her) told her one of the biggest problems he faces today are machines and hoses gummed up by those detergent pods.

Apparently, the plasticized material never really dissolves. Ever. And not only is it gumming up the machines and hoses, it's leaving awful residue on your clothes.

Mom, however, has been using Amway's SA8 for decades.
 
Which is why I stick to tried and true

Like a Speed Queen washing machine for instance. Just because some Harvard educated nitwit "assumes" we're all going to jump on something because it is "new", well he needs to think again. Not everything that is "new" is all that good.

These so called "pods" are yet another inane marketing attempt to appeal to the dumb, lazy, unable to think American moron. Just like the so-called HE machines that"figure out" what kind of laundry you are doing, these pods are for those who are too damn stupid to eyeball the type and quantity of laundry they are doing, read the effing instructions, and proceed accordingly. It just blows me away.

With all this stuff that does the thinking for us, I wonder when we'll regress to the Neanderthal stage of intellectual development? Watching modern TV programming makes me think we're better than 50% there.

I'm willing to bet thanks to the eco-nazi sanctioned dumbed down wash temps the plastic pod never gets in hot enough water to dissolve it. Yet one more problem stemming from totally misguided nonsense from the DOE. Thus, I can see a spate of pump failures where the pump and associated hoses are chock full of some gooey junk.

Not directed to the OP as he is simply sharing some information, but I will say what I have said before...........grow a brain and think for yourself. If a person cannot figure out how much detergent to add to ANY kind of machine, then said person is too damn stoooopid to be doing laundry in the first place.

Yeeeeeesh.
 
My $0.02...

I had been using Tide liquid since I bought my frontloader last Autumn. About six months ago, I started using the pods for convenience reasons (I tend to overdose detergent). Upon reading another thread here about spider failure and the pics of how completely gunked up the spiders on some machines become and how not just one person theorized that liquid detergents can coat the inside of the machine (not to mention those in "water-soluble" plastic pods), I switched to Persil's powder detergents.
Although my machine doesn't appear to suffer from mould/odor issues, I feel this is good practice in the long run.

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Frontloaderfan

Thanks for posting that. Looks like they are located in NJ. I use Persil Megaperls and have been looking to try Somat 5 DW detergent but could never find it.

Thanks again.
 
Sorry...

...but the prices you pay for Persil are just insane. I know it is quite popular among some of you but in comparison what we pay in Germany, those prices are just from another world. I think you would be better off buying powdered Tide or so.

But the prices at the Persil store...OMG! It still hurts.
 
I had recently been asked how much cheaper it would be to buy Persil from Germany. Turned out that the added cost of shipping (even though I haven't checked EVERY shipping service) would pretty much negate any savings from buying "cheap" Persil from here.

Haven't noticed any residue from using premeasured products - be it Quantum in the dishwasher or the few times I tried Tide Pods.

Alex
 
They're not a uniquely US thing by any means, detergent pods and capsules have been a pretty common format here and in the UK for quite a long time now. Nearly as long as dissolvable-pod type dishwasher tablets have been around.

I haven't really heard of any major problem with capsules/pods/disolvable tabs in washing machines or dishwashers tbh.

Lever Fabergé / Unilever has had Persil liquid capsules (pods) have been around since 2001 and the dry tablets that you put into the drawer of the machine (they basically produce CO2 and disintegrate themselves as the water starts flowing) have been around since the mid 1990s on the mainstream brands and quite a longtime before on some more obscure brands.

So, we've over 12 years worth of capsules/pods on this side of the atlantic and I haven't really noticed a major gunk problem :)

I would wonder though about how soluble they are in cold water. Most laundry in Europe's still done at 40ºC (104ºF). OK, there are some people who do cold washes, but the majority certainly here still wash at 40ºC most of the time.

Personally, I think cold water washing is what tends to gunk up most machines. I know I'd one grandmother who used to insist on washing on cold and her machine was disgusting!
I've never had any issue with any machine I've had (all front loaders) but, I never ever wash cold. It's difficult to get surfactants to work in cold water as effectively as even just slightly warm water.[this post was last edited: 12/15/2013-11:56]
 
Man gönnt sich ja sonst nichts...

Since Persil is a German product, it has to be shipped across the Atlantic, since, to my knowledge, Henkel does not have a manufacturing licensee on this side of the Pond. As with most everything else imported, it's more expensive abroad. Practical? Probably not. Worth it? Depends on one's point of view. I like it.

I sat down and figured out that a load of colors with Persil Color Megaperls costs me $0.52. A load of colors with Tide pods using Oxyclean costs me $0.34. A difference of $0.18 per load. I buy the Tide and Oxyclean with my other items at the grocery store. I order the Persil online and it comes to me. I guess it's just a question of if it's worth the extra $0.18 per load to me to use a top-notch product like Persil or a (IMO) run-of-the mill product like Tide. I'll be trying other soaps as well, so I guess this means "to be continued"...[this post was last edited: 12/15/2013-13:11]
 
@mrwash

I agree, from what I've seen of the ingredients, there's really nothing amazing about Henkel Persil vs any other top of the line detergent.

I think you US guys are crazy to pay those prices. Just buy a local powdered detergent with a good dose of enzymes and it should do a very comparable job.

I'm not saying that Persil's not a good detergent! It's excellent! However, it's not so amazing that I would pay those prices for it.

Purex Powder for example is also a Henkel product. I would be surprised if it doesn't do a pretty decent job.
 
I understand the line of reasoning entirely, however, one could go so far as to ask: Why pay $2300.00 for a Miele washing machine or $90,000.00 for a Mercedes-Benz? After all, they sell washers and cars that are made here in the US and they don't even cost half that. It's a question of what people want/value and what they're willing to pay.
 
@ arbilab

I just found this online:

The pods themselves are made of polyvinyl alcohol (CH2CH(OH)), which is said to be a water-soluble polymer. Tide had to reduce the water content of liquid Tide from 50% to 10% in order for the pod not to dissolve upon contact with the detergent.

I could not find anything on whether or not polyvinyl alcohol completely dissolves in the machine. It does say that it does not biodegrade very quickly.
 
I really dislike this stuff. Used it some time in our DW and the casings sticked on the dishes afterwards. The fact is that as it is a hydrocarbon compound as oil is (oil is just one with less Carbon-atoms), they are naturally not really good solving in water.

But anyway, there is really no way to get this stuff cheaper in the USA.
The lowest german price for 10 kg (125 washes about) is 13€ on this stuff:

http://www.restposten.de/article-12591986.html

Shipping would 44€ for about 10kg of powder.

Meaning 57€, today 79$, for 125 loads. Because you would have to organisize this, I would do this for 85$. Means 0,68$ each load.

Is this cheaper than yours? I don't get the persil store price concept....
 
@frontloaderfan

There's a difference though. Miele will charge you a similar price for a washer here in the EU too. They're extremely expensive and high quality machines.

Mercedes likewise are extremely expensive compared to other car brands in Germany or anywhere where in Europe or in the US, but you are really getting what you pay for in most cases.

Persil however, is a similar product to Tide or any other TOL detergent and priced similarly in its home markets. It would be like me paying 250%+ the price for a jug of Tide imported specially from the US to Ireland when it's pretty much identical performing to Ariel and Persil and a few others here.

OK, I can see some people would see a novelty value in that, but it's not really like you're getting some kind of a vastly superior product, which you possibly are with Miele and Mercedes and other very high end brands.
Some US brands have that kind of reputation too, I mean Speedqueen front loaders aren't exactly cheap anywhere.

I'm just not convinced that people really get much benefit other than psychologically to importing foreign detergents to be perfectly honest.

You're paying a lot more largely because of shipping costs associated with bulky items like detergents that are normally shipped via bulk commodity logistics through the retail system, not by mail order.
Also, post 9/11 it's getting very difficult to ship any kind of chemicals (particularly liquids) without all sorts of fuss if it has to go by air. So, simply buying from a German site might not be too practical.
 
Tom sent me a sample of Persil. Definitely like it--low suds, high rinse, elegant scent. May not be able to spring for the US retail on a Socalled Security budget.

Do get STTP additive, only $4/pound. Legal for us to buy and use, just not legal for P&G to package in Tide or anything else.

Thanks FLF, I'll google polyvinyl alcohol for its properties. Think I agree that cold washing (below 100F, the melting point of sebum) gloms washers. Specially when one considers that some peoples' cold is seasonally colder than others.
 
Well, sebum's or any oils on the clothes themselves such as stains and spills are probably only a tiny, tiny proportion of the oil content in your washer unless you're working in some kind of weirdly oily environment or something

The biggest problem I would suspect is fabric softener residue.

If you think about it, you're adding it to cold water in the last rinse and it's not rinsed away as there are no more rinses after that point.

If you then do a cold wash, you're not really giving the detergent much chance to dissolve oils which probably means that the softener gets a lot more chance to gunk up the machine.
 
In MY washer there is no fabric softener residue. Haven't used it for years. Sorry, disregarded that, thought everyone knew better. Even when I used it, it was the 4th rinse out of 5. Dryer sheets if you must, but liquid FSs are abominable. JMO of course.

Found that polyvinyl alcohol is a spectrum of substances rather than just one. Does a great many things. Solubility is temperature and time dependent. For high concentrations, temp runs in the 60-90C range and time runs in the hour range.

Would I use pods? Absolutely not. Though there is a friend in this building who uses them with satisfaction. However, I supervised her laundry once and found the level of surfactancy inadequate with lightly soiled fabric and 2 pods per toploader, even with STTP added. That's exactly the problem. Manufacturers say "here, use this, it's perfect for everything/anything" and people do because they haven't the frame of reference to determine for themselves.
 

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