Thoughts on the Goodman GMSS96060 furnace

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Did not really expect to have to run it as much as I have however we're in the late April freeze here in PA and she's getting a good workout.

Having assisted my uncle years ago in his HVAC business, I got some exposure to the basic concepts and even helped in teardown of furnaces, helped charge and repair central air units and even did work on window units. Most of his work was residential some some light commercial. He was a Rheem/RUUD fan, not sure where he stands now.

As such, one thing I learned on a successful HVAC, regardless of furnace brand or reputation, is installation, installation, installation. This includes following installation instructions but also correctly sizing the unit to the needed home taking into consideration ductwork layout, placement, size and the like.

Being that my first home is new construction, we can and should assume the layout for the vents and return air was properly planned and sized so as to avoid hot spots or drafty areas. Sufficient return back to the air handler is key to keeping the air moving and not "piling" up in a given area

Thus far, my observations are on point, the HVAC contractor sized the vents and return air properly. In fact, each bedroom and the hallway has two return air vents; on on the floor and a closeable vent close to the ceiling. You can probably see these in some of my pix. Combined with the Aprilaire 413 collapsible filter to provide very good filtering capability, I can have my bedroom door close if I have it cracked open say 4 inches and have the furnace kick on. I found a seller on Amazon that prices them at 34/2 in a box. Already have them on order.

The thermostat is Aprilaire. Non programable, backlit when a soft touch button is pressed. I had to calibrate it for the on/off cycles as out of the box, it allowed too much lag time on the off part of the cycle and I would notice it being quite cool before it called for heat. Now it is spot on with reasonable cycle times and more even warmth. We'll see how this works when the A/C season comes on. It makes a very slight click when it calls for heat and also clicks when the temp is satisfied. No drama here. It also has a circ mode where the fan will come on 20 minutes after the furnace has come on, run for 10 minutes, then go off, and repeat. This is to ensure near constant movement of air to the Aprilaire filter to keep it clean. I guess. I don't really use it right now but perhaps I will find a use in the future.

Now on to the furnace.

It's an interesting beast and the first hi eff unit I have owned. My condo had an 80's era Heil-Quaker (branded Whirlpool) that had a metal flue and probably had a carbon footprint the size of King Kong. But it worked. For 16 years, each winter, it reliably provided heat. In fact, I never had a service call the whole time I lived there.

The Goodman OTOH, is much smaller in physical size. It has an interesting startup. First the t-stat calls for heat. Then a smaller blower comes on to do the venting to the outside. Then a slight click and the burner lights up. After a period of time, the main blower kicks on, out comes nice hot dry air from the ceiling vents. Once the t-stat is satisfied, burner kicks off but fan continues to run to extract all the heat from the heat exchanger. Then it goes off. It does not, like the unit in my condo, come back on to get more heat out. Once off, it stays off until the next cycle.

It is a single stage, fixed blower speed unit that is rated at 96% AFUE. Whatever that means! What I marvel at, and still cannot get over, is my flue pipe out is a 2 inch PVC pipe! that's it! that's what sticks up on my roof. I cannot believe that all that heat which is generated and all it needs is some doggone plastic for venting. Blows me away. Not that I am complaining, but totally amazed at how it works. Rated at 60,000 BTU, it heats 1047 SQ of living space. Garage not included in that sq ft area!

Now for the bad part. This thing is laden with electronics. I gave up studying the repair manual for this beast. I mean it even has a controller board for the main blower. And a host of other relays and limit switches and probably more diodes than an 80's Atari VCS. I can only hope they are more reliable and serviceable than what I have read about on washing machines. I have no illusions that when something breaks, it will be expensive to fix. Let's hope Goodman sourced decent components (face it, all they make is the cabinet and heat exchanger, all the other bits and pieces come from someone else).

It also has not one but two condensate drain lines. I was like, WTF is causing water to run into my drain in the floor when I'm not running the A/C for god's sake? back to forums and research and I learned that this is a condensing unit, meaning it has a secondary heat exchanger that wrings even more heat out and in the process, condenses the air and voila, water is extracted out. I read more than I probably care to admit but I felt it was a good study so I understand what I have and not waste time and $$$ calling for help when it is running properly.

Thus far, it seems to work well. I guess. I can't say for sure because we're not in a dead of winter situation here so the actual test, if you call it that, is not really a tough one. The house seems to hold heat well and I don't notice excessive cycles even with the t-stat adjusted. The master bedroom is probably the coolest part and I'm talking 2 degrees difference. Literally.

The furnace is the only gas appliance I have so the gas bills will reflect 100% of the cost of running it and nothing else.
 
You thought out setting the system out well with proper return vents and placed right. I am not familiar with the Goodman brand. My niece has a new Rudd natural gas furnace that works perfect and is suprisingly quiet, because it was installed right like yours seems to be. It intakes air and exits flue gas thru plain pvc pipe thru her basement wall to outside
 
I think the electronics in furnaces in the past 10 years have been fairly reliable. Our second floor Trane furnace is going on 7 now, it was the TOL 2 stage variable speed 80% unit of the time and therefore is laden with electronics too. My grandmother has a same aged 92% BOL Trane furnace that has been trouble free too.

I haven't heard of anyone I know having issues with various other brands either. Back in the 90s there were lots of issues with electronic controls not lasting on furnaces.

Oh and I enjoyed your detailed and thorough posting about your HVAC system. HVAC is something I've always been very deeply interested in so I always appreciate it when someone talks the nitty gritty.
 
I have 2 American Standard gas furnaces and a/c units. These are going on 9 years now and no electronic failures. Have always worked very well and are quick responders. The only issue was with our power company switching lines on the pole out front and we got a power surge. Blew out the main mother board and aux board on one of the units. Don't know why just one and not both. Both boards were replaced and only took about 10 minutes. Price was around $300.00 for both boards. This was no fault or defect of the units, but the power company who paid for the repairs. So I guess they make them better now than 10-15 years ago.

Jon
 
Well now is the time

for it to really get a workout. Just replaced the filter so I am ready for a winter season. I thought about having my HVAC guy come out and give it a go over but nah, it is not even a year old.

Time will tell how well it holds up.
 
I have read online that Goodman heat pumps are pretty good, not sure about their gas units. Unfortunately I have a forced air electric furnace, but at least it's better then baseboard.
There are Forums just like here for HVAC with smart folks that can answer questions and help. I have a nice programmable touch screen Honeywell t stat that is fully configurable for the system its in and keeps it within a degree of the temp set.
Want to go a heat pump someday seeing how I have the runs under this manufactured home, such as they are. I think gas would be too much work and expense to install but its cheap here.
I had to replace the 12" right angle ducts and the insulated plastic flex duct that connects both halfs of the ducts.
Cost me about 200 in parts and a weekend under the house, faster and cheaper then paying a HVAC guy to redo it as I have done furnace liners and stuff at work and have most of the tools needed.
Anyways, hope it works well and lasts a long time. All 90 percent units are so efficient and cool once the exhaust comes out they only need the plastic intake and exhaust so most times they run it sideways with a slight drop so the water doesn't back up the pipes out the closest wall to the furnace.
 
I've seen 50-50 more or less

on forums dartman with praises and excoriations regardless of brand. Trane seems to have the most loyal; Goodman and Amana seem to garner the most negative reviews.

Bear in mind, Goodman will sell to anyone with a room temperature IQ and a heartbeat somewhere in the 80's. That does NOT mean said purchaser is even remotely qualified or capable of installing it correctly. I have seen many a youtube vid of a Goodman 'hack" job that had to be redone.

Contrast that with Heil, Tempstar, Ducane, Carrier, et al who only sell to licensed HVAC blokes. Far fewer half ass installs however an HVAC patch on one's sleeve is not indicative of quality installs.

All I know is I am reducing my carbon footprint, getting along better with greenies and avoiding the wrath of algore by running a 96% AFUE furnace.
 
Well the things have to be installed and setup properly like said or they won't last or work right. Think the guy my boss knows uses Rheem heat pumps and I've seen the same type of reviews for their equipment but same thing if its installed by a competent shop they should be fine. His shop gets great reviews so might call him next time some money breaks free and see what kind of deal he can make me.
Sounds like a good tech installed yours so should be fine but its kinda like my new HE washer, reviews are mostly good but who knows how long it will really last before I have to fix something.
 
First real gas bill

from Nov 9 to Dec 9 was $45.96 @ Price-to-Compare Commodity $2.0667 per MCF.

Delivery Charge
3.3 MCF @ $6.5697
 
Do your meters actually read out in MCF? Ours read in CCF, and MCF is new to me. Our utility bills in Therms though.

From 11-18 fo 12-19 we used 155 therms and it was about $80. Gas is stupid cheap this winter for us.
 
Good question gusherb

it is a dial meter and I don't really know the nuances of it. Only thing that irritates me is the last 3 bills have been "estimated" as opposed to meter read. I suppose I can do a reading and call it in but.................I feel all my utility bills should be based on what I actually use, not what they "think" I will use.
 
Finally got some cold weather and a strong east wind here. We have equal pay so bill this month was 124 bucks and we are 24 bucks on the good side seeing how most of last year was very mild.
They give us a graph of electricity used for every month for a year so we can compare how good or bad we did.
This house is way tighter and better insulated then my old long term rental so even though it is way bigger its cheaper to heat.
Sounds like your new furnace is doing great and gas is cheap, wish we had it, or that heat pump I want to get someday.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll slightly drop our bill.
Off topic but our last mortgage payment for the year showed up and we overpaid on the escrow/PMI so we got $62 back and mortgage went down a bit :-)
I'll take all the money savings I can get no matter where it comes from.
 
I got an escrow refund too

I also applied for the Homestead tax relief. I think they send you a refund check of sorts but no permanent reduction in tax bill. Unfortunately.
 
well going to single digits tonight

Gonna see of 60K BTU will carry the freight.
 
You should only need half that even in single digits for an efficient house your size. The downstairs here with lots of glass and a bit more square footage has a 60k furnace and it runs in first stage at 40k down to 0 degrees.
 
So far so good

tstat on 66. Electrowarmth heated mattress pad on 4. bed should be warm and toasty.
 
We set our smart stat at 66 during the day too, blankets and sweaters are cheap, and we have heated small blankets for our favorite chairs and pretty sure I have one for my bed I never use. I have a bunch of the old od green arny wool blankets for my bed and to protect the furniture from the parrot and me.
At night we set it at 60 and that stat keeps it within a degree of the target temp.
 
If we get a more efficient setup maybe we'll up the temp during the day but trying to keep as much of are very hard earned money as we can. When mom and step dad come over we crank it up, he's got all kinds of problems and is cold all the time.
I kinda like being very cool at night as hate getting too hot and easy to ad a ugly green blanket if I get cold.
 

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