Saw this new Tide on the shelf today, couldn't get a pic, left my phone in the car. Has anyone seen it yet, it's in a white bottle I'm wondering if it's replacing both Free & Gentle and the Purclean or would it have any optical brighteners?
Tide Zero
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It does not have OBAs. From what I see, the formula is identical to that of Free and Gentle, with the addition of the lavender scent.
P&G Finally Came To Their Senses
And realized Americans want a top shelf detergent that does not contain OBAs. MOst versions of Tide are loaded with the stuff including Studio line for darks and colors.
Sole option until now without OBAs is Tide PurClean, but that is a plant based product and P&G's effort at being "green". It cleans well enough I suppose, but doesn't seem to have the same oooph as say Tide Free and Gentle or other versions.
Enter Tide Zero, an certified EPA "safer choice" product that is free of chlorine, dyes, and that includes OBAs.
https://www.target.com/p/tide-zero-...ext=Description,phosphates, dyes, or chlorine.
Target supposedly sells Tide Zero, but have had no luck running it to ground. One wonders if this is yet another Tide detergent that will largely only be available up north (in Canada).
Tide Coldwater "free and gentle" isn't sold in USA, nor can find Tide "hygienically" clean in "free and gentle" either.
https://tide.ca/en-ca/shop/type/liquid
And realized Americans want a top shelf detergent that does not contain OBAs. MOst versions of Tide are loaded with the stuff including Studio line for darks and colors.
Sole option until now without OBAs is Tide PurClean, but that is a plant based product and P&G's effort at being "green". It cleans well enough I suppose, but doesn't seem to have the same oooph as say Tide Free and Gentle or other versions.
Enter Tide Zero, an certified EPA "safer choice" product that is free of chlorine, dyes, and that includes OBAs.
https://www.target.com/p/tide-zero-...ext=Description,phosphates, dyes, or chlorine.
Target supposedly sells Tide Zero, but have had no luck running it to ground. One wonders if this is yet another Tide detergent that will largely only be available up north (in Canada).
Tide Coldwater "free and gentle" isn't sold in USA, nor can find Tide "hygienically" clean in "free and gentle" either.
https://tide.ca/en-ca/shop/type/liquid
And a image...
Supposedly available in-store at the nearby southeast Michigan Target...
No OBAs
Tide Free and Gentle as well as Free and Gentle with Downy liquids don't have OBAs
Tide Free and Gentle as well as Free and Gentle with Downy liquids don't have OBAs
I use Tide "original" , without the "HE" sticker in my top-loader, which gives me excellent results. I'm thinking that it doesn't have OBAs. Am I correct?
"Tide Free and Gentle as well as Free and Gentle with Downy liquids don't have OBAs"
Who told you that? Because it isn't true, not unless P&G has changed formula recently.
https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/2421-TideFreeGentleLiquidDetergentHE/?formulation=6834
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/business/media/30adco.html
Disodium diaminostilbene disulfonate is listed for Tide F&G right on webpage:
https://pgproductsafety.com/product..._fabric_care/Tide/Liquid_Tide_Free_Gentle.pdf
Virtually all Tide powder and liquid detergents begin from same base formula. Things are then added (or left out) depending upon final version being produced. If you look at safety data sheets for Tide liquid detergents you'll often see one document covers a long and exhaustive list of various versions.
You can see from this list Tide isn't alone either....
https://www.whatsinproducts.com/chemicals/view/1/4359
That P&G is now making a version of Tide without OBAs tells me just their offering "Purclean" isn't hacking it alone in capturing the "green" or whatever market. There is a large and growing number of American households that want detergents without bluing or florescent brightening agents.
This shouldn't come as a surprise as more and more laundry is made up of dark, rich or vibrant colors that shouldn't be subjected to OBAs. That and people just have a bug about the stuff, how it rubs off on skin, and so forth.
Who told you that? Because it isn't true, not unless P&G has changed formula recently.
https://www.ewg.org/guides/cleaners/2421-TideFreeGentleLiquidDetergentHE/?formulation=6834
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/business/media/30adco.html
Disodium diaminostilbene disulfonate is listed for Tide F&G right on webpage:
https://pgproductsafety.com/product..._fabric_care/Tide/Liquid_Tide_Free_Gentle.pdf
Virtually all Tide powder and liquid detergents begin from same base formula. Things are then added (or left out) depending upon final version being produced. If you look at safety data sheets for Tide liquid detergents you'll often see one document covers a long and exhaustive list of various versions.
You can see from this list Tide isn't alone either....
https://www.whatsinproducts.com/chemicals/view/1/4359
That P&G is now making a version of Tide without OBAs tells me just their offering "Purclean" isn't hacking it alone in capturing the "green" or whatever market. There is a large and growing number of American households that want detergents without bluing or florescent brightening agents.
This shouldn't come as a surprise as more and more laundry is made up of dark, rich or vibrant colors that shouldn't be subjected to OBAs. That and people just have a bug about the stuff, how it rubs off on skin, and so forth.
Laundress
Check SmartLabel. That site might be outdated. Littlegreeny is correct!
Check SmartLabel. That site might be outdated. Littlegreeny is correct!
They removed OBAs from Tide F&G at least about a year ago. Check the SmartLabel link below. They are now putting ingredient lists right on their products and my bottle of Tide F&G with Downy does not list OBAs.
From what I can tell, the F&G formulas that still contain OBAs include their powder, pods and simply liquid.
Ken, it looks like regular Tide still contains OBAs.
smartlabel.pg.com
From what I can tell, the F&G formulas that still contain OBAs include their powder, pods and simply liquid.
Ken, it looks like regular Tide still contains OBAs.
Smart Label
Learn more about the products you use and consume everyday. Smartlabel is created using CRA.
I stand corrected
Had no idea P&G reformulated Tide F&G. Have several bottles in my stash (bought as part of a 2 for 1 sale at Rite Aid), so haven't bought or even looked at new bottles in a few years.
So if Tide F&G doesn't have OBAs, chlorine (never did), dyes, etc....what is the point of this "Zero" variation? One version has lavender scent, but so does Purclean.
Had no idea P&G reformulated Tide F&G. Have several bottles in my stash (bought as part of a 2 for 1 sale at Rite Aid), so haven't bought or even looked at new bottles in a few years.
So if Tide F&G doesn't have OBAs, chlorine (never did), dyes, etc....what is the point of this "Zero" variation? One version has lavender scent, but so does Purclean.
OBAs
Various sources like specialized literature or the German Consumer Magazine indicate that OBAs don`t have an impact on bright and dark colors but can lead to considerable color changes of pastels or off whites.
Just think of old fashioned blueing. It wouldn`t change much the appearance of dark and bright colors but it would ruin anything off white or pale (pastel) colored.
OBAs turn invisible UV light from daylight into visible blue light. So in summary when a little more blue light is reflected from garments, in theory it shouldn`t change the appearance of darks, which makes perfect sense to me.
It does make sense not to use them in green detergents because they are not easily biodegradable and they have been suspect endocrine disruptors, not sure if this has ever been proven.
For those who know German the last 3 lines sum it up very well.
Various sources like specialized literature or the German Consumer Magazine indicate that OBAs don`t have an impact on bright and dark colors but can lead to considerable color changes of pastels or off whites.
Just think of old fashioned blueing. It wouldn`t change much the appearance of dark and bright colors but it would ruin anything off white or pale (pastel) colored.
OBAs turn invisible UV light from daylight into visible blue light. So in summary when a little more blue light is reflected from garments, in theory it shouldn`t change the appearance of darks, which makes perfect sense to me.
It does make sense not to use them in green detergents because they are not easily biodegradable and they have been suspect endocrine disruptors, not sure if this has ever been proven.
For those who know German the last 3 lines sum it up very well.
Black's are finicky
On pure blacks, no, they shouldn't make much of a difference.
The lighter the color the more impact the same amount of added reflectivity should have.
Thing is that as soon as black begins to fade - which it will, no matter what - optical brighteners can pull that fading into odd directions.
Black's can begin to look brown or blueish.
Many assume the greyish look like a white film on Black's is fading but never owned a black item that faded to grey.
I assume that's just poor rinsing.
I found that most pastel colours don't bother much about detergent.
My mum washers here greys and off-whites with a detergent without optical brighteners while my more colored shirts go through the whites load.
One would think either would be better but they look both pretty well.
What I found is that even many color detergents somehow contain optical brighteners when in powder form.
Still others do not.
A nice thing about German labeling practice is that besides all the chemical names, most if not any detergents have a section that lists tensides, enzymes, optical brighteners and bleaching agents just as that.
So it's really just a plain text statement. Helps a lot when looking for a fitting detergent.
On pure blacks, no, they shouldn't make much of a difference.
The lighter the color the more impact the same amount of added reflectivity should have.
Thing is that as soon as black begins to fade - which it will, no matter what - optical brighteners can pull that fading into odd directions.
Black's can begin to look brown or blueish.
Many assume the greyish look like a white film on Black's is fading but never owned a black item that faded to grey.
I assume that's just poor rinsing.
I found that most pastel colours don't bother much about detergent.
My mum washers here greys and off-whites with a detergent without optical brighteners while my more colored shirts go through the whites load.
One would think either would be better but they look both pretty well.
What I found is that even many color detergents somehow contain optical brighteners when in powder form.
Still others do not.
A nice thing about German labeling practice is that besides all the chemical names, most if not any detergents have a section that lists tensides, enzymes, optical brighteners and bleaching agents just as that.
So it's really just a plain text statement. Helps a lot when looking for a fitting detergent.
I think besides general color loss which is inevitable when washing with water and detergent a major reason for the grayish look like a white film is caused by roughening the surface of fabrics.
When fabrics are new the surface is more or less even and smooth. After a couple of washings more and more tiny little fibers stick out from the surface giving textiles the grayish velvety look.
The enzyme Cellulase like in Tide Studio, Persil and so on is often advertised as "color care" or "renew effect" and it can indeed be useful to get more life out of natural fibers` colors.
When fabrics are new the surface is more or less even and smooth. After a couple of washings more and more tiny little fibers stick out from the surface giving textiles the grayish velvety look.
The enzyme Cellulase like in Tide Studio, Persil and so on is often advertised as "color care" or "renew effect" and it can indeed be useful to get more life out of natural fibers` colors.
kenmoreguy89
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Well in my experience OBA's do have an impact on darks as well. Cottons.
Is not the brightener itself but the lint.
The more fine small lint patina there is on the surface the more they will look faded-discolored and if that fine lint is full of brightener will get bright-whiter with light and make it less vibrant-deep.
This has been already discussed above, my experience is different though.
Many products for colors do have a massive amount of cellulase enzyme to solve this lint problem or at least mitigate it.
And often promise-advertise your garments Will look like brand new.
This may or may not work so well because of length of cycle, hence cycle chosen or the kind of machine used.
But the difference vs using a detergent without is noticeable.
Of course as the item is new it doesn't have this surface lint patina.[this post was last edited: 5/12/2021-09:02]
Is not the brightener itself but the lint.
The more fine small lint patina there is on the surface the more they will look faded-discolored and if that fine lint is full of brightener will get bright-whiter with light and make it less vibrant-deep.
This has been already discussed above, my experience is different though.
Many products for colors do have a massive amount of cellulase enzyme to solve this lint problem or at least mitigate it.
And often promise-advertise your garments Will look like brand new.
This may or may not work so well because of length of cycle, hence cycle chosen or the kind of machine used.
But the difference vs using a detergent without is noticeable.
Of course as the item is new it doesn't have this surface lint patina.[this post was last edited: 5/12/2021-09:02]
kenmoreguy89
Well-known member
Anyway of course also have to say that the main concern of the consumers for the development of detergents without brighteners is often not about proper laundry care.
So we don't even have to puzzle ourselves too much as to why some stuff contains the thing or it doesn't, the public do have 1/10 of the knowledge we laundry people have.
The thing is often merely about demanding a product that doesn't contain dyes and or scents.
Allergies and skin problems are the main reason, that is besides simply wanting a product with not too much synthetic stuff cancirogens and such because of health concerns.
Dyes, polimers scents and scent binder such as phtalates.
Funnily some are more worried about what's in their detergents rather than their food.
But that is another matter.
[this post was last edited: 5/12/2021-08:58]
So we don't even have to puzzle ourselves too much as to why some stuff contains the thing or it doesn't, the public do have 1/10 of the knowledge we laundry people have.
The thing is often merely about demanding a product that doesn't contain dyes and or scents.
Allergies and skin problems are the main reason, that is besides simply wanting a product with not too much synthetic stuff cancirogens and such because of health concerns.
Dyes, polimers scents and scent binder such as phtalates.
Funnily some are more worried about what's in their detergents rather than their food.
But that is another matter.
[this post was last edited: 5/12/2021-08:58]
iheartmaytag
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I am so glad they are coming out with a zero
Every since those pods I have been looking for a low calorie alternative. ;-)
Kidding aside, so besides the absence of OBO, are the other ingredients the same or close? I think I would try it, at least for my dark colors. I have Woolite for darks in my stash
Every since those pods I have been looking for a low calorie alternative. ;-)
Kidding aside, so besides the absence of OBO, are the other ingredients the same or close? I think I would try it, at least for my dark colors. I have Woolite for darks in my stash
