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rolls_rapide
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Nice machine! The styling looks quite elegant - almost Siemens-y.
I like the pattern of drum holes on your machine. I also like the drum lifters/paddles (similar to Bosch/Siemens but with an actual twist), and the recirculation jet is indeed powerful (old Zanussi style).
Is that an LED drum light in photo #2?
And does this machine have an optical sensor in the sump, like the Panasonics had?
How easy is it to turn the drum by hand?
Turning my machine's drum by hand, I've noticed on my Panasonic (Gorenje made) that:
(a) The drum sometimes seems a little stiff, almost as though something is binding on the drum shaft - occasionally it squeaks;
(b) Other times, the drum mostly gives 'clunks' as it is turned by hand (bearings?);
(c) And on several occasions I've detected an odd drum vibration, a chuntering feel - like when you file down a block of metal which has a 'grain'.
I like the pattern of drum holes on your machine. I also like the drum lifters/paddles (similar to Bosch/Siemens but with an actual twist), and the recirculation jet is indeed powerful (old Zanussi style).
Is that an LED drum light in photo #2?
And does this machine have an optical sensor in the sump, like the Panasonics had?
How easy is it to turn the drum by hand?
Turning my machine's drum by hand, I've noticed on my Panasonic (Gorenje made) that:
(a) The drum sometimes seems a little stiff, almost as though something is binding on the drum shaft - occasionally it squeaks;
(b) Other times, the drum mostly gives 'clunks' as it is turned by hand (bearings?);
(c) And on several occasions I've detected an odd drum vibration, a chuntering feel - like when you file down a block of metal which has a 'grain'.
Gorenje Waveactive
Glad to see you have your new washing machine Ingemar, nothing like unboxing and the "New Smell" , looking forward to hearing your reviews...
The recirculation spray certainly seems very powerful and to soak spray the clothes. is it on all the time and for rinses ??
Cheers, Mike
Glad to see you have your new washing machine Ingemar, nothing like unboxing and the "New Smell" , looking forward to hearing your reviews...
The recirculation spray certainly seems very powerful and to soak spray the clothes. is it on all the time and for rinses ??
Cheers, Mike
Rolls_rapide
Hi, thank you
Well the drum isn't that hard to turn, but also not that "easy" as on a direct drive machine.
My father has a 4 years old Gorenje Sensocare (previuos generation) and it also squeaks sometimes, but I guess al this is because of the belt, because when the machines "heats up" the squeaking stops.
Try to rub the inside of the driving belt with a hard soap. This usualy hepls.
How happy are you with your Panasonic?
Yes that is a LED drum light.
No this machine have not an optical sensor in the pump. My old Use Logic Gorenje from 2005 had it, but I rarely activeted it in the rince cylce.
Hi, thank you
Well the drum isn't that hard to turn, but also not that "easy" as on a direct drive machine.
My father has a 4 years old Gorenje Sensocare (previuos generation) and it also squeaks sometimes, but I guess al this is because of the belt, because when the machines "heats up" the squeaking stops.
Try to rub the inside of the driving belt with a hard soap. This usualy hepls.
How happy are you with your Panasonic?
Yes that is a LED drum light.
No this machine have not an optical sensor in the pump. My old Use Logic Gorenje from 2005 had it, but I rarely activeted it in the rince cylce.
Mike
Hi Mike, thanks mate,
Yes I was so excited because I was waiting for it a long time.
The recirculation spray turns on and off during the wash and rinse cycle. On the Sensocare generation the pump were on constantly after the temperature was reached, but this jet on this machine is more powerful than the previous.
Also the Ionized Air generator turns on and off but on some programs it is on almost constantly.
Hi Mike, thanks mate,
Yes I was so excited because I was waiting for it a long time.
The recirculation spray turns on and off during the wash and rinse cycle. On the Sensocare generation the pump were on constantly after the temperature was reached, but this jet on this machine is more powerful than the previous.
Also the Ionized Air generator turns on and off but on some programs it is on almost constantly.
That is a nice looking machine. I bet it would be fun to use. Did the guy from the first post, come with the machine? 
rolls_rapide
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@gorenje:
Thanks, the Panasonic is okay-ish - but to be honest, I expected a bit more quality.
The optical sensor on mine only really seems to detect during the wash. Therefore powders in solution are seen as opaque, lengthening time; liquids generally are seen to be transparent, reducing time.
For rinsing, I think the machine logs the inability to redistribute - and adds a dilution rinse. If the water is too foamy, I think the pressure vessel/sensor detects that, and adds a dilution rinse. I've never gotten the impression that the optical sensor actually had a hand in the rinse decision making.
Things I do like:
> Mixing of detergent by distribution tumbles;
> Powder drawer stays closed - even on violent spin cycles;
> Zero-delay door interlock;
> Large, very easy-to-read display;
> The idea of wash solution recirculation...;
> Filter compartment has a pouring spout (previous Panasonic dribbled water down between the kick-plate and the machine itself).
Things I don't like:
> Attempting to redistribute the load for spinning is irritating;
> Programme times;
> Spins can be a bit violent;
> A small shard of concrete came adrift(!);
> The filter access panel rattles - and would benefit from a Bosch style thumb-release catch - having to resort to screwdrivers to open it is madness;
> The recirculation implementation could have been better executed. This one has a common manifold with three outlets. They have a tendency to clog with lint.
Thanks, the Panasonic is okay-ish - but to be honest, I expected a bit more quality.
The optical sensor on mine only really seems to detect during the wash. Therefore powders in solution are seen as opaque, lengthening time; liquids generally are seen to be transparent, reducing time.
For rinsing, I think the machine logs the inability to redistribute - and adds a dilution rinse. If the water is too foamy, I think the pressure vessel/sensor detects that, and adds a dilution rinse. I've never gotten the impression that the optical sensor actually had a hand in the rinse decision making.
Things I do like:
> Mixing of detergent by distribution tumbles;
> Powder drawer stays closed - even on violent spin cycles;
> Zero-delay door interlock;
> Large, very easy-to-read display;
> The idea of wash solution recirculation...;
> Filter compartment has a pouring spout (previous Panasonic dribbled water down between the kick-plate and the machine itself).
Things I don't like:
> Attempting to redistribute the load for spinning is irritating;
> Programme times;
> Spins can be a bit violent;
> A small shard of concrete came adrift(!);
> The filter access panel rattles - and would benefit from a Bosch style thumb-release catch - having to resort to screwdrivers to open it is madness;
> The recirculation implementation could have been better executed. This one has a common manifold with three outlets. They have a tendency to clog with lint.
@countryford
Hi Justin,
hahahaha I was hoping the same ! It would be so damn good, he is so grrrrrrrrrr
Hi Justin,
hahahaha I was hoping the same ! It would be so damn good, he is so grrrrrrrrrr
@ Rolls_rapide
Thank you for your detailed description. Well I agree with you. Your Panasonic is in fact just a bit different SensoCare machine. So I agree with you on the things you dislike, especially for the distibution on the spin cycle.
This new Waveactive machine also distibute the laundry when it is not properly distributed obviusly, but it does it much better than the SensoCare generation (or your Panasonic)
Thank you for your detailed description. Well I agree with you. Your Panasonic is in fact just a bit different SensoCare machine. So I agree with you on the things you dislike, especially for the distibution on the spin cycle.
This new Waveactive machine also distibute the laundry when it is not properly distributed obviusly, but it does it much better than the SensoCare generation (or your Panasonic)
Whites test
I washed an extremly dirty load of whites on 90*C.
I know that on the pictures I made it isn't so clear how badly the load was dirty (and maybe better this way, because I'm already ashamed)
The work socks, pillow cases and mattress covere were on purpose soiled so much for the test. You have also to know that the dirt was very set in because it has been put aside.
I used the cotton cycle with the prewash on 90*C. One scoop of regular powdered detergent (nothing special) and one small scoop of oxy powder.
I washed an extremly dirty load of whites on 90*C.
I know that on the pictures I made it isn't so clear how badly the load was dirty (and maybe better this way, because I'm already ashamed)
The work socks, pillow cases and mattress covere were on purpose soiled so much for the test. You have also to know that the dirt was very set in because it has been put aside.
I used the cotton cycle with the prewash on 90*C. One scoop of regular powdered detergent (nothing special) and one small scoop of oxy powder.
rolls_rapide
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@ gorenje:
Thanks. Yes, my machine is not all it could be. So effectively, I bought an earlier Gorenje, before all the niggly problems were ironed out? That figures.
Infact, the bloomin' jet has just clogged again - I thought I heard strange gurgles yesterday, and a constant drip from the gasket when the machine was empty, with the door ajar. It dripped onto the door glass, dribbled down the glass, onto the floor.
So it'll be clamp-band off, loosen door seal, pull off hose, pull out the manifold, clean and replace. I wonder how many run-of-the-mill owners never noticed this deficiency and end up with pump trouble?
The oddity with this machine is, the recirculation hose is secured to the jet manifold by push-fit... and a standard cable-tie. Not even a decent clamp. I keep imagining that a blockage might allow back-pressure to pop off the hose, flooding the base, kitchen and worse.
(Memorandum to myself: NEVER, EVER believe the marketing bumf! It's always nonsense.)
Thanks. Yes, my machine is not all it could be. So effectively, I bought an earlier Gorenje, before all the niggly problems were ironed out? That figures.
Infact, the bloomin' jet has just clogged again - I thought I heard strange gurgles yesterday, and a constant drip from the gasket when the machine was empty, with the door ajar. It dripped onto the door glass, dribbled down the glass, onto the floor.
So it'll be clamp-band off, loosen door seal, pull off hose, pull out the manifold, clean and replace. I wonder how many run-of-the-mill owners never noticed this deficiency and end up with pump trouble?
The oddity with this machine is, the recirculation hose is secured to the jet manifold by push-fit... and a standard cable-tie. Not even a decent clamp. I keep imagining that a blockage might allow back-pressure to pop off the hose, flooding the base, kitchen and worse.
(Memorandum to myself: NEVER, EVER believe the marketing bumf! It's always nonsense.)
rolls_rapide
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@ gorenje:
"The Results..." = They're white - right through!!!
I really do think you got the better machine, very happy washing with it.
I consider mine to be quite sore on clothes; cotton lint seems to be too easily liberated.
"The Results..." = They're white - right through!!!
I really do think you got the better machine, very happy washing with it.
I consider mine to be quite sore on clothes; cotton lint seems to be too easily liberated.
Gorenje ActiveLine
Cant complain at those results Ingemar, Is the pre-wash at 40d temp??
Love the graphics on the display, especially the water waves lol.
Cant complain at those results Ingemar, Is the pre-wash at 40d temp??
Love the graphics on the display, especially the water waves lol.
Button respinsiveness
When I checked those out at IFA this year I had a hard time getting the buttons to respond to presses even half of the time.
That might have been the machines running for days on end.
But do you have issues with that? Or are they as responsive as they should be?
When I checked those out at IFA this year I had a hard time getting the buttons to respond to presses even half of the time.
That might have been the machines running for days on end.
But do you have issues with that? Or are they as responsive as they should be?
@ Rolls_rapide
Ouch... sorry to hear all these problems with your machine.
"I bought an earlier Gorenje, before all the niggly problems were ironed out?"
Well yes, could be....
Fortunately now they've changed strategy at Gorenje and they listen a lot what consumers says about problems with their products.
The Senso Care generation (and your Panasonic) were in fact good machines in many aspects but with some problems (distribution befor spin, motor..)
In fact now with this Waveactive range they waited to go out with the TOL model (the one with the steam generator I wanted to buy) because it first passed the tests but something wasn't as should be, so they have changed and are re-testing the machine before put it on the market.
So far this machine seems really well done.
Hehe yes they are white right through as they should be !
Ouch... sorry to hear all these problems with your machine.
"I bought an earlier Gorenje, before all the niggly problems were ironed out?"
Well yes, could be....
Fortunately now they've changed strategy at Gorenje and they listen a lot what consumers says about problems with their products.
The Senso Care generation (and your Panasonic) were in fact good machines in many aspects but with some problems (distribution befor spin, motor..)
In fact now with this Waveactive range they waited to go out with the TOL model (the one with the steam generator I wanted to buy) because it first passed the tests but something wasn't as should be, so they have changed and are re-testing the machine before put it on the market.
So far this machine seems really well done.
Hehe yes they are white right through as they should be !
rolls_rapide
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"Button responsiveness"
I experience that with the Panasonic too. I've also noticed that attempting to activate the touchpads with damp hands elicits a quick response. And it seems to prefer the pad of the finger or thumb too.
"Fortunately now they've changed strategy at Gorenje and they listen a lot what consumers says about problems with their products."
(That's a good sign).
"The Senso Care generation (and your Panasonic) were in fact good machines in many aspects but with some problems (distribution before spin, motor..)"
Motor?! What's wrong with the motor?
I experience that with the Panasonic too. I've also noticed that attempting to activate the touchpads with damp hands elicits a quick response. And it seems to prefer the pad of the finger or thumb too.
"Fortunately now they've changed strategy at Gorenje and they listen a lot what consumers says about problems with their products."
(That's a good sign).
"The Senso Care generation (and your Panasonic) were in fact good machines in many aspects but with some problems (distribution before spin, motor..)"
Motor?! What's wrong with the motor?
rolls_rapide
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My machine apparently has a Panasonic motor (but I don't know if this is a Gorenje motor rebadged, or Panasonics's own, or another manufacturer altogether.
Here's a pic or two from the internet. Courtesy of Ebay.
Here's a pic or two from the internet. Courtesy of Ebay.
rolls_rapide
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"OMG sorry for the late reply! "
That's okay, you're only about a month late... LOL
That's okay, you're only about a month late...
LOL
rolls_rapide
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How goes your new machine? Does it perform as you expect it to?
Well yes it does indeed.
I'm happy with it. The washing results are very good.
I bought it because I was really curious to see the changes in comparison with the SensoCare line which I use at my father's place and I have to say I like what I see.
I haven't tried all the programs yet. I'm a bit reluctant to try the 59 minutes ion wash because it's quite short but sooner or later I'll try it with a light soiled load.
It is quiet but in certain cases spinning at 1400 rpm isn't that quiet like a Miele or Siemens, but ok it also isn't a Miele and it also depends on the load.
I'm happy with it. The washing results are very good.
I bought it because I was really curious to see the changes in comparison with the SensoCare line which I use at my father's place and I have to say I like what I see.
I haven't tried all the programs yet. I'm a bit reluctant to try the 59 minutes ion wash because it's quite short but sooner or later I'll try it with a light soiled load.
It is quiet but in certain cases spinning at 1400 rpm isn't that quiet like a Miele or Siemens, but ok it also isn't a Miele and it also depends on the load.
Glad you’re pleased with it, Ingemar. Especially after that long wait!
rolls_rapide
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"spinning at 1400 rpm isn't that quiet..."
I notice with the Panasonic that the interim spins between the rinses can be in perfect balance - so smooth and quiet - yet the final spin at 1400rpm or 1600rpm is never achieved. Instead, a noisy roar of a spin at about a 1000rpm takes place. This actually happened yesterday. Irritating to say the least.
I let it finish, then I untangled the load, rebalanced it manually, and an ultra-smooth spin at 1600rpm happened.
I just wish that the spin programming had a tad more common sense. Frequently it achieves balance, does a low speed spin, then tumbles itself into a fankle again. It would be better to stay in spin - and simply ramp up.
I notice with the Panasonic that the interim spins between the rinses can be in perfect balance - so smooth and quiet - yet the final spin at 1400rpm or 1600rpm is never achieved. Instead, a noisy roar of a spin at about a 1000rpm takes place. This actually happened yesterday. Irritating to say the least.
I let it finish, then I untangled the load, rebalanced it manually, and an ultra-smooth spin at 1600rpm happened.
I just wish that the spin programming had a tad more common sense. Frequently it achieves balance, does a low speed spin, then tumbles itself into a fankle again. It would be better to stay in spin - and simply ramp up.
@ Rolls_rapide
... ohh yes I know that...
I've experienced this on the SensoCare of my father especially with a full load of sheets.
And that's the main improvement on this Wave Active new line.
Actually the Senso Care line (and apparently also the Panasonics made by Gorenje) are in fact good washers but with this problem with long distributions on the spin cycle. The generation before the Senso Care, the Use Logic generation were perfect in the spin cycle and from what I have experienced the Wave Active are also very good.
... ohh yes I know that...
I've experienced this on the SensoCare of my father especially with a full load of sheets.
And that's the main improvement on this Wave Active new line.
Actually the Senso Care line (and apparently also the Panasonics made by Gorenje) are in fact good washers but with this problem with long distributions on the spin cycle. The generation before the Senso Care, the Use Logic generation were perfect in the spin cycle and from what I have experienced the Wave Active are also very good.
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