norgeway
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I NEVER!
Pre rinse, if it wont wash the dishes, I dont want it!!!!
Pre rinse, if it wont wash the dishes, I dont want it!!!!
To Rinse or Not Rinse - Dishwasher Story
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jakeseacrest
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I just ran a load in my 2000/2001 Maytag that included a plate with egg yolk from yesterday morning, a pot with macaroni and cheese residue, and bowls that also contained mac and cheese. No pre-rinsing, Cascade with 6.4% phosphates, normal wash with temp sense = spotless dishes. I should have taken a pic and sent it to that news station.
dogboy44
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Me neither
Never ever. It is a waste of water. It is a waste of time. In fact, the fewer times you handle something and the fewer steps in the process the more efficient it is. I try to put things in the machine as they come from the table omitting the "stacking" that happens on the counter. It is completely unnecessary and adds an extra step.
Never ever. It is a waste of water. It is a waste of time. In fact, the fewer times you handle something and the fewer steps in the process the more efficient it is. I try to put things in the machine as they come from the table omitting the "stacking" that happens on the counter. It is completely unnecessary and adds an extra step.
whirlcool
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So far no word from the reporter, Amy Davis.
jerrod6
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Hmm
Have we ever seen videos on this site showing the pathetic spraying of some newer model DWs? Not sure that DW was not performing as designed. Now the Design - maybe something wrong with that due to trying to meet Energy Star requirements by using electric clock motors instead of real ones.
The pan with the egg....never gonna get clean because it was on an angle facing upward. No spray directed to it, only left over water falling from the top might hit it and I suspect most of this water missed it. Might turn out better if you have a middle wash arm that is spraying the top rack and also spraying down across the bottom rack.
They probably realized this after the video and that's why they mentioned referring to your user manual for loading instructions.
Have we ever seen videos on this site showing the pathetic spraying of some newer model DWs? Not sure that DW was not performing as designed. Now the Design - maybe something wrong with that due to trying to meet Energy Star requirements by using electric clock motors instead of real ones.
The pan with the egg....never gonna get clean because it was on an angle facing upward. No spray directed to it, only left over water falling from the top might hit it and I suspect most of this water missed it. Might turn out better if you have a middle wash arm that is spraying the top rack and also spraying down across the bottom rack.
They probably realized this after the video and that's why they mentioned referring to your user manual for loading instructions.
There must be something really wrong with this machine if its a GE model. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to move lots of water around! If there is a Low/Hi pressure switch for water, they should set it to LOW to allow a longer fill!
I put my video camera in a sealed Pyrex bowl and into our DD for a rinse cycle. The spray was 10x or so better than this, and its better than that video from a German Kids program about how a Miele machine works. Each side of the arm has around 6 holes in it, plus an underside sprayer for the filter, and on at the end for cleaning the tub, from the video I made you get a nice wall of water from each side of the arm, and its pretty powerful too
I put my video camera in a sealed Pyrex bowl and into our DD for a rinse cycle. The spray was 10x or so better than this, and its better than that video from a German Kids program about how a Miele machine works. Each side of the arm has around 6 holes in it, plus an underside sprayer for the filter, and on at the end for cleaning the tub, from the video I made you get a nice wall of water from each side of the arm, and its pretty powerful too
joe_in_philly
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"I put my video camera in a sealed Pyrex bowl and into our DD for a rinse cycle"
What a neat idea!
What a neat idea!
@joe_in_philly
Yeah. At first I though "Nah, it'd probably leak pretty bad," but then it worked! You really get a depth on how loud that motor really is (even if it is a brush free, DC impeller motor - similar to what is used in a pond pump).
If it were possible, I might upload that to the AW.org Audio/Video files for member's machines. I'm sure it would show that this ain't no walk in the park!
Yeah. At first I though "Nah, it'd probably leak pretty bad," but then it worked! You really get a depth on how loud that motor really is (even if it is a brush free, DC impeller motor - similar to what is used in a pond pump).
If it were possible, I might upload that to the AW.org Audio/Video files for member's machines. I'm sure it would show that this ain't no walk in the park!
hoovermatic
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Why does the woman in the report even bother putting them in the dishwasher if she is washing them with detergent and scrubbing beforehand and then moaning that she is always doing dishes?!?!?! I have NEVER rinsed. Scrape yes but rinse, never. And I never will. Waste of time and water.
One wonders if such people also swipe the floors before vacuuming or handwash the laundry before putting in the washer...
to rinse or not to rinse
Don't! Dishwashers work better with dirty dishes. My Bosch-built Kenmore can spray much better than that GE! I bet the pump on that GE is dying or starving for water.[this post was last edited: 1/6/2025-11:08]
Don't! Dishwashers work better with dirty dishes. My Bosch-built Kenmore can spray much better than that GE! I bet the pump on that GE is dying or starving for water.[this post was last edited: 1/6/2025-11:08]
It depends...
On the dishwasher. Machines without 1) good water distribution, 2) ample water use, 3) a long hot main wash, 4) a self cleaning fine filter, 5) maceration, and 6) ability to process reasonable quantities of food particles and flush them away; will always require various levels of pre-rinsing. There is no way around it.
There are only a handful of dishwashers that ever satisfactorily met all 6 of these categories. The Whirlpool Power Clean filter modules, Whirlpool built Kitchen-Aids, MOL/TOL Maytag Jet Clean dishwashers, *GE GSD1200-GSD2800 series dishwashers between 1984 and 1994, GE Profile model Z GSD4900Z-GSD3400Z, were the only dishwashers ever produced where dishware could be loaded without any pre-rinsing. Whirlpool's point Voyager system could also fit these categories provided soil levels never went above moderate.
*The 1984-1994 GSD1200-2800 series had an Achilles heel where the steal macerator would break off with time or a hard object like an olive pit went into the sump. GE specifically designed for such contingencies in that 1984-1994 sump boots had a dammed "pocket" to the left where an unpulverizable hard object would be kicked into the side holding dam and remain there until retrieved. Unfortunately the idea did not work out so well in that the pit would cause the steel macerator to break off in the process.
Pictures for future readers inexperienced with vintage GE dishwashers.
That leaves the majority of dishwashers past and present requiring various levels of pre-rinsing which defeats more than half the purpose of having a dishwasher. People just don't know any better to say or realize otherwise. People never saw the limitations of tall tubs when they arrived because they were pre-rinsing already, and many of those with Power Cleans and Jet Cleans were already conditioned to pre-rinsing. The few that made the switch from no pre-rinsing to tall tubs saw the light, grumbled about it, but when they found that tall tubs were the only machine available on the market they had no choice but to alter their habits while the rest of the world routinely gaslights their lived experiences.
To live in modern humanity is to have both your sanity and intelligence invalidated.
If everyone was like me the Whirlpool Power Clean Module with ample water use, time and heat would make up 95% of all residential dishwashers including those in apartments, condominiums and rental properties.
On the dishwasher. Machines without 1) good water distribution, 2) ample water use, 3) a long hot main wash, 4) a self cleaning fine filter, 5) maceration, and 6) ability to process reasonable quantities of food particles and flush them away; will always require various levels of pre-rinsing. There is no way around it.
There are only a handful of dishwashers that ever satisfactorily met all 6 of these categories. The Whirlpool Power Clean filter modules, Whirlpool built Kitchen-Aids, MOL/TOL Maytag Jet Clean dishwashers, *GE GSD1200-GSD2800 series dishwashers between 1984 and 1994, GE Profile model Z GSD4900Z-GSD3400Z, were the only dishwashers ever produced where dishware could be loaded without any pre-rinsing. Whirlpool's point Voyager system could also fit these categories provided soil levels never went above moderate.
*The 1984-1994 GSD1200-2800 series had an Achilles heel where the steal macerator would break off with time or a hard object like an olive pit went into the sump. GE specifically designed for such contingencies in that 1984-1994 sump boots had a dammed "pocket" to the left where an unpulverizable hard object would be kicked into the side holding dam and remain there until retrieved. Unfortunately the idea did not work out so well in that the pit would cause the steel macerator to break off in the process.
Pictures for future readers inexperienced with vintage GE dishwashers.
That leaves the majority of dishwashers past and present requiring various levels of pre-rinsing which defeats more than half the purpose of having a dishwasher. People just don't know any better to say or realize otherwise. People never saw the limitations of tall tubs when they arrived because they were pre-rinsing already, and many of those with Power Cleans and Jet Cleans were already conditioned to pre-rinsing. The few that made the switch from no pre-rinsing to tall tubs saw the light, grumbled about it, but when they found that tall tubs were the only machine available on the market they had no choice but to alter their habits while the rest of the world routinely gaslights their lived experiences.
To live in modern humanity is to have both your sanity and intelligence invalidated.
If everyone was like me the Whirlpool Power Clean Module with ample water use, time and heat would make up 95% of all residential dishwashers including those in apartments, condominiums and rental properties.
bosch
Chetlaham, my Bosch which is under the Kenmore fits all 6 requirements, with 7 being that it doesn't melt plastics when drying. Food and grease have nowhere to hide, especially with Finish products I use. I can tell you that mine cleans equal to the whirlpool power clean module. Water is constantly moving while the pump is running at all pressure levels.It can soak and/or blast the dishes. It does both at certain parts of the cycle. When I opened mine, I received a face full of water. If everyone were like me, I'd either update the dishwasher to a Bosch or Whirlpool power clean platform, even under the Kenmore label. I'd highly recommend use high quality detergents such as Electrasol (now Finish) and jet dry (now Finish jet dry). I found they work better than Cascade, especially after the experience of the dishwasher choking on suds. I'm running my second load of dishes for 2025 and the performance is night and day with Finish products compared to Cascade.[this post was last edited: 1/7/2025-10:52]
Chetlaham, my Bosch which is under the Kenmore fits all 6 requirements, with 7 being that it doesn't melt plastics when drying. Food and grease have nowhere to hide, especially with Finish products I use. I can tell you that mine cleans equal to the whirlpool power clean module. Water is constantly moving while the pump is running at all pressure levels.It can soak and/or blast the dishes. It does both at certain parts of the cycle. When I opened mine, I received a face full of water. If everyone were like me, I'd either update the dishwasher to a Bosch or Whirlpool power clean platform, even under the Kenmore label. I'd highly recommend use high quality detergents such as Electrasol (now Finish) and jet dry (now Finish jet dry). I found they work better than Cascade, especially after the experience of the dishwasher choking on suds. I'm running my second load of dishes for 2025 and the performance is night and day with Finish products compared to Cascade.[this post was last edited: 1/7/2025-10:52]
maytaga806
Well-known member
No William even if it was 50 years ago he just has to stamp in his input in about his Bosch Kenmore this and his Finish dish tabs that….give us a break already. So repetitive.
cascade against finish
Cascade and Finish claim you don't have to pre-rinse. While that may be true, I quit using all Cascade products due to excessive suds, causing my pump to choke and labor unlike Finish. Finish, on the other hand, just works so much better than any Cascade product. Finish Ultimate is my go to for the best results, and so does Finish jet dry which is a lot better than Cascade power dry circles around. My dishwasher is running right now.
Cascade and Finish claim you don't have to pre-rinse. While that may be true, I quit using all Cascade products due to excessive suds, causing my pump to choke and labor unlike Finish. Finish, on the other hand, just works so much better than any Cascade product. Finish Ultimate is my go to for the best results, and so does Finish jet dry which is a lot better than Cascade power dry circles around. My dishwasher is running right now.
Mr expert, my 31 year old Whirlpool that only runs once a week when packed full has everything run under the faucet before loading and I only use the lowest priced store brand detergent. So you do not know how everyone elses dish routine so stop preaching because nobody is listening.
panasonicvac
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I should thank the expert because he convinced me to always rinse the dishes out, never use Finish products or get a Bosch dishwasher
pre-rinsing
If I have to pre-rinse and use a store brand of detergent that's the cheapest, I'll pass. I agree with norgeway. I. NEVER!!!! Pre-rinse anything. What's the purpose of having a dishwasher if I have to anyway? It wastes water, shortens cycle, and ends missing the food spots, let alone diminishes cleaning quality to the point where today's detergents eat away at the racks. I'm in the no pre-rinse camp. I've said it before, and I'll say it again until I turn blue in the face. I don't understand why people think dishwashers need to be babied. I've seen dishwasher racks fall apart because pre-washing dishes before the dishwasher, which contributes to detergent eating away at the parts. This could eventually damage the pumps. You are causing corrosion to occur if you don't have food stuck to the dishes, along with using a good detergent and rinse aid like Cascade or Finish. Like appnut, I get brilliant results from Finish in my Bosch built Kenmore.
Stop pre-washing your dishes before you put them in the dishwasher! You WILL ruin your racks! Quit![this post was last edited: 1/8/2025-18:20]
If I have to pre-rinse and use a store brand of detergent that's the cheapest, I'll pass. I agree with norgeway. I. NEVER!!!! Pre-rinse anything. What's the purpose of having a dishwasher if I have to anyway? It wastes water, shortens cycle, and ends missing the food spots, let alone diminishes cleaning quality to the point where today's detergents eat away at the racks. I'm in the no pre-rinse camp. I've said it before, and I'll say it again until I turn blue in the face. I don't understand why people think dishwashers need to be babied. I've seen dishwasher racks fall apart because pre-washing dishes before the dishwasher, which contributes to detergent eating away at the parts. This could eventually damage the pumps. You are causing corrosion to occur if you don't have food stuck to the dishes, along with using a good detergent and rinse aid like Cascade or Finish. Like appnut, I get brilliant results from Finish in my Bosch built Kenmore.
Stop pre-washing your dishes before you put them in the dishwasher! You WILL ruin your racks! Quit![this post was last edited: 1/8/2025-18:20]
I dont care what you do with your dishwasher or use in and I will continue to pre
-rinse, use the cheapest detergent and pack my dishwasher full before operating and my method has worked fine for me, clean dishes and a dishwasher that still runs perfect after 31 years and for those who dont like it, I dont care.
-rinse, use the cheapest detergent and pack my dishwasher full before operating and my method has worked fine for me, clean dishes and a dishwasher that still runs perfect after 31 years and for those who dont like it, I dont care.
